{"conversationCode":"009-019","tapeNumber":9,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-009-019","startDateTime":"1971-09-15T16:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-15T16:25:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Sep-1971","startTime":"12:24 PM","endDate":"15-Sep-1971","endTime":"12:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On September 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 12:24 pm to 12:25 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 009-019 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 9-19\n\nDate: September 15, 1971\nTime: 12:24 pm - 12:25 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n[See Conversation No. 277-7]\n\n     Foreign aid\n          -Report\n          -Types\n                -Loans\n                -Grants\n                -PL [Public Loan] 480\n          -Leaders elected in contested elections\n          -State Department","filename":["009-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:34:06","tapeEnd":"00:35:06","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"009-018","nextCode":"009-020","transcript":[{"start":1.53,"end":2.71,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.79,"end":10.3,"text":"Now, the way I want that, I want you to prepare this answer for me on the second part of it is simply this."},{"start":10.98,"end":14.19,"text":"I just want a simple categorical statement, which should be very easy."},{"start":14.61,"end":21.18,"text":"The United States today gives aid in one form or another, and that's loans, grants."},{"start":21.82,"end":45.43,"text":"PL 480 I don't give what it is or in Africa you know you give 25 000 to the ambassador that's aid okay right to blank countries okay if the United States were to cut off aid to countries whose present leaders were not elected in a contested election that to some degree"},{"start":45.74,"end":50.16,"text":"meets American standards, we would have to cut off aid to blank countries."},{"start":50.76,"end":51.24,"text":"I got you, sir."},{"start":51.26,"end":51.84,"text":"You get the point?"},{"start":52.01,"end":52.37,"text":"Exactly."},{"start":52.39,"end":54.13,"text":"Now, tell them to get that to me."},{"start":54.51,"end":55.4,"text":"It's a very easy thing."},{"start":55.64,"end":55.94,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":55.96,"end":57.26,"text":"Very easy, and they should have thought of it earlier."},{"start":57.68,"end":58.05,"text":"Okay."},{"start":58.73,"end":58.83,"text":"Fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directed Alexander M. Haig, Jr. to coordinate with the State Department to produce a report quantifying the impact of conditioning U.S. foreign aid on the requirement that recipient nations hold contested, democratic elections. Nixon requested a simplified categorical analysis showing how many countries would be disqualified from receiving various forms of assistance, including loans, grants, and PL 480 shipments, under such a policy. The President emphasized that this data should be easily obtainable and expressed frustration that the administration had not already prepared such an assessment.","topics":["Foreign aid","Democratic elections","State Department","Public Law 480","Policy analysis"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:51:25.542Z"},"topicSlugs":["foreign-aid","democratic-elections","state-department","public-law-480","policy-analysis"],"audioDurationSec":60,"audioFiles":[{"file":"009-019.mp3","bytes":1430673,"durationSec":59.55,"bitrate":192184,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.708Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/009-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/009-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/009/conversation-009-019","catalogNaId":417189657,"catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/417189657","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}