{"conversationCode":"009-025","tapeNumber":9,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-009-025","startDateTime":"1971-09-15T18:37:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-15T18:38:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Sep-1971","startTime":"2:37 PM","endDate":"15-Sep-1971","endTime":"2:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On September 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 2:37 pm to 2:38 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 009-025 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 9-25\n\nDate: September 15, 1971\nTime: 2:37 pm - 2:38 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n[See Conversation No. 277-18]\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Casualties\n               -Time period\n               -Comparison\n               -Time period\n          -Effort by Haig","filename":["009-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:37:09","tapeEnd":"00:37:52","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"009-024","nextCode":"009-026","transcript":[{"start":1.96,"end":28.69,"text":"yeah general haig al yes sir i'd like to get a good uh casualty comparison uh i don't want to just take this week which of course is a little bit but i wonder if you could say take the last maybe four weeks or the last eight weeks or the last three months and compare it say the lowest in five years you see what i'm trying to get at yes sir so figure figure out maybe it's the last 30 days or the last 60 days or i mean the last"},{"start":29.02,"end":35.9,"text":"Four weeks, eight weeks, or three months, or anything that makes a sort of a way to state it in case I want to use it."},{"start":36.08,"end":37.14,"text":"Most impressive way."},{"start":37.38,"end":38.3,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":38.33,"end":39.77,"text":"And don't go to too much work on it."},{"start":39.99,"end":40.25,"text":"Fine."},{"start":40.39,"end":41.29,"text":"Fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directed Alexander M. Haig, Jr. to prepare statistical comparisons of recent Vietnam War casualties against historical lows from the past five years. The President sought to identify the most compelling timeframe—ranging from four weeks to three months—to frame casualty figures for potential public use. Haig was tasked with providing this data efficiently without overextending administrative resources.","topics":["Vietnam War","Military casualties","Public relations","Statistics","Alexander Haig"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T22:51:57.584Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","military-casualties","public-relations","statistics","alexander-haig"],"audioDurationSec":43,"audioFiles":[{"file":"009-025.mp3","bytes":1035075,"durationSec":43.07,"bitrate":192269,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.708Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/009-025.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/009-025","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/009/conversation-009-025","catalogNaId":417189669,"catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/417189669","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}