{"conversationCode":"009-139","tapeNumber":9,"conversationNumber":139,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-009-139","startDateTime":"1971-09-23T14:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-23T14:38:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Sep-1971","startTime":"10:35 AM","endDate":"23-Sep-1971","endTime":"10:38 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Buchanan, Patrick J.;","description":"On September 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Patrick J. Buchanan talked on the telephone from 10:35 am to 10:38 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 009-139 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 9-139\n\nDate: September 23, 1971\n\nTime: 10:35 am - 10:38 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Patrick J. Buchanan.\n\n[See Conversation No. 280-5]\n\n     Economic policies\n         -Ways and Means Committee\n              -Tax action\n                    -Statement by the President\n                          -Charls E. Walker's public statements\n                               -George P. Shultz","filename":["009-139.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:43:44","tapeEnd":"04:44:30","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Buchanan, Patrick J."],"prevCode":"009-138","nextCode":"009-140","transcript":[{"start":1.03,"end":1.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.89,"end":2.89,"text":"Which we can, Mr. President."},{"start":2.95,"end":3.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.67,"end":4.33,"text":"There you are."},{"start":4.35,"end":4.75,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.77,"end":17.47,"text":"One, I need a very brief, I think I know what the answer is, but I need a very brief responses to the ways and means action on the tax thing."},{"start":18.05,"end":18.83,"text":"All right."},{"start":18.93,"end":22.86,"text":"Now, it's pretty difficult for you to get that from."},{"start":22.88,"end":28.05,"text":"I think Walker has already said something publicly, so you might get Walker's"},{"start":29.04,"end":29.58,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":29.78,"end":30.66,"text":"Right."},{"start":31.23,"end":33.15,"text":"But check it against Schultz."},{"start":33.45,"end":35.35,"text":"A little conflict."},{"start":35.44,"end":35.94,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":35.96,"end":41.55,"text":"Well, it may not be conflict, but I just want to be sure that it sort of runs the same way."},{"start":41.87,"end":42.27,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":42.29,"end":42.81,"text":"Will do."},{"start":42.84,"end":43.28,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":43.34,"end":43.98,"text":"Right."},{"start":44,"end":44.08,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Patrick J. Buchanan discussed the need for a brief official response regarding the Ways and Means Committee's recent tax actions. Nixon instructed Buchanan to draft the statement by cross-referencing public remarks made by Treasury official Charls E. Walker with George P. Shultz. The objective was to ensure administrative messaging remained consistent and aligned between the two officials.","topics":["Economic policy","Ways and Means Committee","Taxation","Public relations","Administrative consistency"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:02:21.080Z"},"topicSlugs":["economic-policy","ways-and-means-committee","taxation","public-relations","administrative-consistency"],"audioDurationSec":46,"audioFiles":[{"file":"009-139.mp3","bytes":1105919,"durationSec":46,"bitrate":192322,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:21.709Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/009-139.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/009-139","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/9/conversation-009-139","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}