Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 10 › Conversation 010-032

Nixon phone call with Haldeman on William P. Rogers and Henry Kissinger

Wednesday, September 29, 1971 · 7:19 PM–7:24 PM ET · White House Telephone · 5 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Conversation010-032 on Tape 10 (tape position 00:48:39–00:53:15)StartWednesday, September 29, 1971 at 7:19 PMEndWednesday, September 29, 1971 at 7:24 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 010-032 ↗

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President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discuss adjustments to the President's upcoming schedule, specifically prioritizing a meeting with Secretary of State William P. Rogers while canceling peripheral events like a podium setup. The conversation touches on economic strategy regarding the IMF and the administration's stance on international lending. Nixon and Haldeman also express frustration over Rogers' concerns regarding Henry Kissinger’s upcoming trip to the People's Republic of China, dismissing Rogers' apprehension about the potential publicity and its impact on United Nations voting.

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Yeah.
Yes, sir.
We were trying to find some time for Rogers tomorrow.
Just can that podium thing.
There's no hurry on that.
That's right.
I don't give a shit about that anyway.
So just let it go.
Tell them I'll look at it next week.
And report Rogers in there.
Okay.
Do you want a half an hour with Rogers?
We'll move a half an hour.
All right.
That's obviously the person who put it.
I just called him and he said there's no time in the schedule.
Then I saw the foot well.
He didn't know, but I saw the podium and I knew whether it was the time to put it.
I still couldn't do that anymore.
going down there with mitchell i'll see you in the morning with regard to uh it's a thought that either schultz or stein would go down i'll talk kindly about that he felt having someone go down uh talk on the way down if you wanted to would be okay although basically you'd be better off with the face
because he says we need them here to...
Absolutely.
And I don't want them there because I don't want to talk to them when I'm there.
I want to think about it.
All right.
That's what the other thing he said is that what you should be doing is thinking, not talking anyway.
That's right.
All right.
Good, good.
He understands.
All right.
Give me the papers.
Nobody's to go.
I'll have the papers at noon tomorrow, so we'll have them in common from that time.
Good.
He was pleased, incidentally, that I gave Pierre Paul Schweitzer a kidney accident.
Did he tell you that?
Yeah.
He said, well, he was surprised.
He said, oh, you know, Arthur, it's a kiss his ass, and I didn't do it.
No, he was delighted.
I'm sure he was delighted with your remarks to the IMF, too, because you really set things up for him.
Yeah, I didn't give him anything.
Well, you sure did.
You laid it out to him pretty clearly on that.
You guys better look out or the U.S. is going to turn in.
Sure.
Yeah.
And that's it.
It's really true.
And also the idea about the bankers.
I mean, it's very subtle, but no banker does a favor to anybody making a bad loan.
The United States doesn't do any favor to anybody.
By giving in on the deal, it's bad.
And the temporary means how long do we want for a permanent thing.
They've got a lot of points.
None of these people will understand all of this.
I have a feeling, Bob, that his really deep-down objection is fundamental, because it really has to do with Henry going there, which of course is
There's no answer on that.
But with regard to the vote in the U.N., he's going to put it on that basis.
And as you say, if God damn it, there's no good time to go.
He can't.
That thing is far more important than whatever effect it has on the U.N. vote.
Of course.
Particularly after having the Russians.
That's right.
Why Bill has to get so involved and be good for goddamn publicity?
I think you're right that that's his real problem.
I'm afraid you're right.
He's concerned about the fact that Henry's going to get publicity on the trip to China.
And he is.
Jesus Christ.
What are you going to do?
Send that stupid dream?
Good God.
I mean, Bill doesn't realize how dumb these people are.
He couldn't do that.
Well, he's no point even thinking about it.
That's right.
Okay, well, fine.
Well, as I said, can the thing that we just tell the theater thing, I'll do it next week.
Okay, fine.

NARA Description

On September 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 7:19 pm to 7:24 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 010-032 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 10-32

Date: September 29, 1971
Time: 7:19 pm - 7:24 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President's schedule, September 30
          -William P. Rogers
                 -Henry A. Kissinger conversation with Cyrus R. Vance
          -Podium set-up for event
          -John N. Mitchell
          -George P. Shultz
          -Herbert G. Stein
          -John B. Connally
          -Pierre-Paul Schweitzer
          -Arthur F. Burns
          -International Monetary Fund [IMF] remarks
          -Paul A. Volcker
          -William P. Rogers
                 -Soviet Union
                      -Negotiations
                 -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -United Nations [UN]
                 -Kissinger
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
                            -Marshall Green

     President's schedule

Also recorded on September 29, 1971

  • 580-018 3:00 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:00 pm to 3:02 pm.
  • 580-019 3:02 PM · 28 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:02 pm to 3:03 pm.
  • 580-020 3:03 PM · 1 hr 54 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Andrei A. Gromyko, Anatoliy F. Dobrynin, William P. Rogers, Henry A. Kissinger, William Krimer, Viktor M. Sukhodrev, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:03 pm to 5:00 pm.
  • 580-021 5:00 PM · 53 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at 5:00 pm.
  • 583-001 5:05 PM · 9 min — President Richard M. Nixon, William P. Rogers, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 5:14 pm.
  • 583-002 5:15 PM · 2 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:15 pm and 5:17 pm.
  • 010-033 7:27 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 7:27 pm.
  • 010-034 7:33 PM · 24 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 7:33 pm to 7:57 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 010-032, September 29, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/010-032 (accessed October 12, 2026).