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Conversation 010-049

TapeTape 10StartTuesday, October 5, 1971 at 5:29 PMEndTuesday, October 5, 1971 at 5:33 PMTape start time01:32:51Tape end time01:37:17ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Poff, Richard H.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On October 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Richard H. Poff talked on the telephone from 5:29 pm to 5:33 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 010-049 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 10-49

Date: October 5, 1971
Time: 5:29 pm - 5:33 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Richard H. Poff.

[See Conversation No. 585-15C]

     Supreme Court appointment
          -Richard H. Poff
               -Declining
                    -President's reaction
                    -Gerald R. Ford
                    -Analysis
                           -President's reaction
                           -Effect on President’s initiatives
                                 -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                                 -Economic program
                           -Need for Poff in the House of Representatives

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[Privacy]
[Duration: 1m 9s ]

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           -President's philosophy

                -Warren E. Burger, Harry O. Blackmun
          -Support for Poff
          -President's schedule

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[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 4s ]

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Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Well, I just wanted you to know that the most disappointed man on your, which I think was statesmanlike move, was me.
And it's just a hell of a shame, as Jerry Ford put it very, very well in his statement.
President, you don't know how much your call means to me.
I had been so anxious from the very beginning that you would feel that I had somehow run out on you.
No, no, no, no, no.
I knew what you did.
And as a matter of fact, my own feeling is that we couldn't...
I think you're right.
I think what they're going to do, it's unfair, it's wrong, and the rest, they're going to try to make you, you know, sort of a whipping boy for this whole thing.
And...
It would have been bad for the court and all the way around, probably.
I think we probably could have won it, but maybe, maybe.
But on the other hand, they might have delayed for months, which would have been bad.
Mr. President, if we had won it, do you agree with me that it would have been harmful to you and done largely good that you have done?
in connection with the China debt and economic thing.
It would have been a stigma on my name.
It would have been difficult to live with.
But the thing is that I think the latter point is, too, I think at both points you're probably correct.
The thing is they would have made you look like the worst son of a bitch that ever came down the pike.
And they'd go, you know.
So under the circumstances, let me tell you, we need you in the house anyway.
And, you know.
Look, you did.
I know you did.
I know you did.
And as I said, I regretted it because I just, frankly, you know, I just like to fight sometimes.
But I think under the circumstances, we've done the right thing.
But also under the circumstances, by God, I'm going to get two men on that court.
Well, not two.
Shall we say two individuals?
But let me tell you, they talk about balance and the rest.
They're going to be two people like Berger and Blackmun.
And I think that's only fair.
Well, God bless you.
The majority of the American people will be behind you.
Well, they're going to do it.
And I hope you tell all the fellows that we were backing you to the hill.
Well, I have done so.
I called in the Southern, I mean, Republican, I'm Democrat, you know, and I told them last Friday, I said, by God, I'm sticking right with you.
I've gone to the page, Mr. President, to say that it was my decision that from all the information I had, the President was prepared to go all the way with me, that he might even be disappointed that I have done what I have done.
So I hope you understand that.
Okay.
Well, good to talk to you.
We'll see you down at a leadership meeting one of these days.
Well, look, I was in Florida when this happened, or I would have called you earlier, but I was down there, and you saw my statement.
I just thought it was just as well that we, I told the boys I'd give you a call when I got back.
Okay.
Keep up your spirit.
Give my best to your wife.
Okay.
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