{"conversationCode":"010-070","tapeNumber":10,"conversationNumber":70,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-010-070","startDateTime":"1971-10-06T12:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-06T12:52:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Oct-1971","startTime":"8:50 AM","endDate":"6-Oct-1971","endTime":"8:52 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Scott, Hugh;","description":"On October 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Hugh Scott talked on the telephone from 8:50 am to 8:52 am. 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Bennett\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 2m 6s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Senate\n          -Vote\n               -Filibuster\n\n     President's schedule\n          -Henry A. Kissinger","filename":["010-070.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:25:11","tapeEnd":"02:29:51","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Scott, Hugh"],"prevCode":"010-069","nextCode":"010-071","transcript":[{"start":1.57,"end":3.99,"text":"Senator Scott, Mr. President."},{"start":4.01,"end":5.11,"text":"Good morning, Mr. President."},{"start":6.01,"end":6.62,"text":"Hi, Hugh."},{"start":7.22,"end":20.64,"text":"Hugh, I was wondering on this vote today, on this pay thing, that it appears to me that we really can't risk going forward with the..."},{"start":21.36,"end":27.53,"text":"You know, it's something that we lose, because I'm going to announce the phase two thing this week, you see."},{"start":28.11,"end":31.6,"text":"Now, isn't this one you can talk to death?"},{"start":31.7,"end":34.15,"text":"It seems to me you've got to have enough guys over there that long."},{"start":34.59,"end":37.03,"text":"I think we can talk it to death if we need to."},{"start":37.99,"end":38.53,"text":"I'll count."},{"start":38.57,"end":41.16,"text":"Of course, there'd be risk in making a mistake here, but..."},{"start":41.76,"end":46.03,"text":"Our county indicates that we have enough votes on straight up and down to beat it."},{"start":46.05,"end":46.59,"text":"You think so?"},{"start":47.41,"end":49.81,"text":"I can make a further judgment."},{"start":49.87,"end":52.41,"text":"I have Tom Karalogos on the way up here now."},{"start":52.44,"end":52.96,"text":"Good."},{"start":52.98,"end":66.33,"text":"Well, you talk to Tom and, of course, use your judgment, but I can tell you that it would be a very, very bad blow if before I go on, say, tomorrow night with Phase 2, if the Senate slaps it down, you see, because it blows the whole thing."},{"start":66.35,"end":69.47,"text":"You know, this is a very, I mean, the House acted in..."},{"start":69.45,"end":94.03,"text":"and it would be uh it would be uh really it would uh would have a terribly shocking effect on on on the labor unions that get out of go run amok everything you see yes so you're aware that i lodged an objection which prevented it coming up oh i i know i know that's why i know i'm going but i and i think you're fighting exactly right but uh i just just heard i just tell you that that because i'm going to go on the phase two thing tomorrow"},{"start":94.01,"end":95.73,"text":"That's the present plan."},{"start":95.79,"end":96.89,"text":"They'll let you know."},{"start":96.91,"end":98.42,"text":"They'll confirm it within a couple hours."},{"start":99.26,"end":100.86,"text":"I think they'll be able to get the time."},{"start":101.42,"end":106.31,"text":"I just feel terribly strongly that we must not have a bad Senate vote before I go."},{"start":106.75,"end":107.63,"text":"Oh, I agree."},{"start":107.65,"end":108.98,"text":"Because that'll be in the news, you see."},{"start":109.96,"end":116.11,"text":"We'll do as careful a count as we can and get a further appraisal on it if it seems risky."},{"start":116.59,"end":116.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":117.03,"end":119.88,"text":"We'll gear ourselves just to talk it to death."},{"start":119.96,"end":122.63,"text":"I've already talked to Wally Bennett this morning on that."},{"start":122.69,"end":123.55,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":123.59,"end":124.51,"text":"He's willing to help."},{"start":124.66,"end":125.3,"text":"Great."},{"start":251.32,"end":253.78,"text":"Well, if you can handle this, Hugh, I would appreciate it."},{"start":253.8,"end":254.34,"text":"I'd appreciate it."},{"start":254.36,"end":258.21,"text":"Well, if it looks too hot, we'll turn it into a filibuster."},{"start":258.23,"end":260.36,"text":"At least, I'm sitting here talking to Henry."},{"start":260.38,"end":263.25,"text":"He told me he was able to get you before the announcement."},{"start":263.26,"end":265.17,"text":"That keeps him on their back toes a little, doesn't it?"},{"start":265.25,"end":267.8,"text":"Yes, sir, it does, and it was a good item."},{"start":267.82,"end":273.47,"text":"I went right up to the press gallery two minutes after 10 to cover the news up here."},{"start":273.73,"end":274.95,"text":"We'll keep him on their back toes."},{"start":275.15,"end":278.48,"text":"Yes, sir, you're doing a wonderful job, if I may say so."},{"start":278.5,"end":278.74,"text":"Okay, Hugh."},{"start":278.88,"end":280.45,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with Senate Republican Leader Hugh Scott to ensure a pending federal pay bill would not pass the Senate ahead of the President’s scheduled Phase II economic announcement. 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