{"conversationCode":"011-062","tapeNumber":11,"conversationNumber":62,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-011-062","startDateTime":"1971-10-12T17:32:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-12T17:34:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Oct-1971","startTime":"1:32 PM","endDate":"12-Oct-1971","endTime":"1:34 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Meany, George;","description":"On October 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George Meany talked on the telephone from 1:32 pm to 1:34 pm. 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Connally\n             -Inflation\n             -Presidential statement\n             -Labor\n                   -Tax proposal","filename":["011-062.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:31:27","tapeEnd":"01:33:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Meany, George"],"prevCode":"011-061","nextCode":"011-063","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.97,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.99,"end":4.46,"text":"Mr. George Meany, Mr. President."},{"start":5.3,"end":5.42,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.44,"end":6.76,"text":"Mr. President, how are you?"},{"start":6.78,"end":7.48,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":7.66,"end":11.87,"text":"I was just going to say that on just looking out this pretty day, you ought to go out and play golf."},{"start":11.89,"end":14.05,"text":"I'd love to, but I'm busy."},{"start":14.27,"end":16.06,"text":"I've got to go down, and I know you've been busy."},{"start":16.08,"end":19.34,"text":"I've got to go down and pay my respects to Eddie Hebert."},{"start":19.36,"end":21.67,"text":"They're hanging his picture today in the armed services room."},{"start":21.83,"end":22.45,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":22.47,"end":23.07,"text":"He's a good man."},{"start":23.27,"end":24.43,"text":"He's a good, strong man."},{"start":24.83,"end":27.36,"text":"I wanted to tell you, I just got your..."},{"start":27.34,"end":36.39,"text":"George Schultz has brought in your statement, and I greatly appreciate your willingness to work on this thing."},{"start":37.06,"end":40.32,"text":"And you saw the piece of paper which we sent over."},{"start":40.94,"end":44.45,"text":"That is my understanding as to what the policy is."},{"start":44.69,"end":45.29,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":45.27,"end":49.02,"text":"And when I told the press, I told the press about Connolly."},{"start":49.46,"end":55.88,"text":"I read the Connolly thing carefully, and then this piece of paper is, and we've also checked it with Connolly, and he totally agrees with it, too."},{"start":55.9,"end":57.3,"text":"Yeah, well, and that's perfect."},{"start":57.32,"end":59.91,"text":"So you see, we've got Connolly, as I understand it."},{"start":59.92,"end":63.17,"text":"Yeah, well, that's all right, except that this piece of paper was a little more precise."},{"start":63.27,"end":63.91,"text":"More precise."},{"start":63.97,"end":66.59,"text":"Well, I looked it over, and as you noticed, I initialed it."},{"start":66.61,"end":68.27,"text":"You've got a copy of it, I think."},{"start":68.29,"end":68.55,"text":"Yes, yes."},{"start":68.59,"end":74.64,"text":"But I did want you to know that Connolly also has seen it and agrees that that's what he meant to say."},{"start":74.62,"end":76.3,"text":"Well, I... Fair enough."},{"start":76.32,"end":76.88,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":76.94,"end":78.72,"text":"I hope we can do something on this."},{"start":79.26,"end":83.61,"text":"I can tell you privately, you'd say between 2% and 3% a year."},{"start":84.05,"end":86.37,"text":"I'd settle for, if we could get it down to 3.5%."},{"start":87.51,"end":91.97,"text":"Well, look, the main thing is to make progress, and 3.5% is a damn good number."},{"start":92.23,"end":93.08,"text":"I'd say so, yes."},{"start":93.09,"end":93.28,"text":"Right."},{"start":93.39,"end":94.62,"text":"Considering what we've got."},{"start":94.64,"end":95,"text":"Right."},{"start":95.62,"end":102.9,"text":"Well, we're trying to... Oh, incidentally, I will put out a statement today, say I welcome the participation of organized labor, etc.,"},{"start":102.88,"end":104.59,"text":"And bring down the customer request."},{"start":105.11,"end":111.14,"text":"I'm going to, the only thing that we do have some agreement, a disagreement on is on the tax proposal."},{"start":111.46,"end":114.57,"text":"But I, of course, have to, as you can imagine, push for those."},{"start":114.59,"end":116.6,"text":"I think you're going to beat us on it."},{"start":117.1,"end":118.86,"text":"Well, sure, that's fine."},{"start":118.88,"end":123.65,"text":"But as you understand, if the darn thing works, which it might, then it's more jobs."},{"start":123.69,"end":124.15,"text":"Yep."},{"start":124.17,"end":124.61,"text":"Okay."},{"start":124.84,"end":125.02,"text":"Fine."},{"start":125.22,"end":125.54,"text":"Bye."},{"start":125.56,"end":128.28,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and AFL-CIO President George Meany discussed the administration's economic policies, specifically coordinating on inflation control and labor participation. The two men confirmed their mutual agreement on a precise policy statement regarding economic goals, which had been reviewed by Treasury Secretary John Connally. Additionally, Nixon signaled his intent to issue a public statement welcoming organized labor's cooperation, while acknowledging their continued disagreement regarding specific tax proposals.","topics":["Inflation","Organized Labor","Economic Policy","John B. 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