{"conversationCode":"011-115","tapeNumber":11,"conversationNumber":115,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-011-115","startDateTime":"1971-10-18T21:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-18T21:21:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Oct-1971","startTime":"5:19 PM","endDate":"18-Oct-1971","endTime":"5:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Holifield, Chet;","description":"On October 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Chet Holifield talked on the telephone from 5:19 pm to 5:21 pm. 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Ford\n                    -Administrative Procedures Act\n                    -Appointee\n                          -Ralph Nader\n                    -Virginia Knauer\n\n        Holifield's schedule","filename":["011-115.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:15:20","tapeEnd":"03:17:12","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Holifield, Chet"],"prevCode":"011-114","nextCode":"011-116","transcript":[{"start":1.42,"end":1.84,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.02,"end":2.76,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.96,"end":3.9,"text":"Hey, Chet?"},{"start":4.08,"end":4.64,"text":"Yes, hello."},{"start":4.74,"end":8.48,"text":"I just called to thank you for the fine work you did on that consumer bill."},{"start":8.74,"end":9.64,"text":"Well, we..."},{"start":9.85,"end":15.33,"text":"Both Frank and I want to thank you for the help that Dick Cook and Jerry Ford gave us, too."},{"start":15.81,"end":18.72,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, we couldn't have done it, my boys told me."},{"start":18.74,"end":20.1,"text":"It's a well-balanced bill."},{"start":20.12,"end":30.73,"text":"It's carefully guarded with guidelines and tied to the Administrative Procedures Act, and if a good person is appointed to it, well, they can do some good, and they can feel their way gradually, you know."},{"start":30.75,"end":31.25,"text":"Well, if you..."},{"start":31.76,"end":34.9,"text":"You say a good person appointed."},{"start":35.12,"end":42.63,"text":"I say if you appoint a good person to be the administrator, why, you know, a person that is, I don't mean a nadir."},{"start":43.19,"end":44.35,"text":"Yeah, that goes a little too far."},{"start":44.59,"end":47.05,"text":"Well, if you've got any good ideas, let us know."},{"start":47.29,"end":53.46,"text":"I honestly don't have, Mr. President, but I'm sure you can find somebody that's judicious."},{"start":54.12,"end":56.94,"text":"The main thing is to put together a competent organization."},{"start":57.5,"end":58.7,"text":"That'll take several months."},{"start":58.96,"end":59.38,"text":"Right."},{"start":59.36,"end":62.43,"text":"And we're both very pleased."},{"start":62.51,"end":68.46,"text":"We've worked awfully hard to rescue this from an impossible situation."},{"start":68.58,"end":70.07,"text":"The one you got, you mean?"},{"start":70.09,"end":77.96,"text":"The bill that we've got, we've worked hard to get it in the shape that it is in, and we're proud of the job we've done on that."},{"start":78.55,"end":85.02,"text":"We've taken a lot of heat from hearing some others on this thing, and we appreciate Ms. Norris' statement, too."},{"start":85.04,"end":88.95,"text":"I'm going to write her a letter, but I went out to the district over the weekend."},{"start":88.99,"end":92.3,"text":"I just got back today, so I haven't had time, but I'll take care of it."},{"start":92.74,"end":93.74,"text":"I appreciate it."},{"start":93.72,"end":94.38,"text":"Many thanks."},{"start":94.64,"end":96.81,"text":"And I'm going to try to be there in the morning."},{"start":96.87,"end":108.18,"text":"I've received this invitation on this briefing in the morning, but I will have to leave so I can be at the Hill at 10 o'clock because I've got a committee meeting to get out a bunch of reports we've been putting off."},{"start":108.48,"end":108.82,"text":"Oh, boy."},{"start":109.04,"end":109.55,"text":"Okay."},{"start":109.64,"end":110.85,"text":"Thanks for calling, Mr. President."},{"start":111.19,"end":111.49,"text":"Bye."},{"start":111.61,"end":112.49,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiated this call to express his appreciation to Congressman Chet Holifield for his instrumental role in shaping a balanced consumer protection bill. The two discussed the importance of incorporating Administrative Procedures Act guidelines and agreed on the necessity of appointing a judicious, competent administrator to oversee the new organization. Holifield affirmed his commitment to the legislation's success while noting his upcoming schedule for committee work on Capitol Hill.","topics":["Consumer protection legislation","Administrative Procedures Act","Political appointments","Legislative strategy","Chet Holifield"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:25:56.664Z"},"topicSlugs":["consumer-protection-legislation","administrative-procedures-act","political-appointments","legislative-strategy","chet-holifield"],"audioDurationSec":113,"audioFiles":[{"file":"011-115.mp3","bytes":3608402,"durationSec":112.63,"bitrate":256295,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:22.040Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:35.694Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/011-115.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/011-115","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/011/conversation-011-115","catalogNaId":417190121,"catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/417190121","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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