{"conversationCode":"011-148","tapeNumber":11,"conversationNumber":148,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-011-148","startDateTime":"1971-10-19T22:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-19T22:09:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Oct-1971","startTime":"6:04 PM","endDate":"19-Oct-1971","endTime":"6:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Graham, William F. (\"Billy\");","description":"On October 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William F. (\"Billy\") Graham talked on the telephone from 6:04 pm to 6:09 pm. 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(“Billy”) Graham.\n\n [See Conversation No. 292-26]\n\n        Billy Graham's schedule\n              -Memphis\n                   -Holiday Inn convention\n                         -Advertisements\n                         -Photographs located in Holiday Inns' lobbies\n                              -Dwight L. Chapin\n                         -The President's frequenting of Holiday Inns\n                              -New Hampshire, Oregon\n\n ******************************************************************************\n\n BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/12/2017.\n 13s segment cleared for release. 31s remain closed as 011-148-w001.]\n [Personal Returnable]\n [011-148-w001]\n [Duration: 31s]\n\n END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO.\n\n ******************************************************************************\n\n        John B. Connally, Jr.\n             -Health\n             -Trip to Asia\n\n ******************************************************************************\n\nRichard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n        The President's appearance in North Carolina on October 15, 1971\n             -The President's view\n             -Publicity\n                   -Television coverage\n                   -New York Times, Washington Post\n                   -Charlotte, North Carolina\n                   -Texas\n                         -Dallas Morning News\n                         -Fort Worth Star Telegram\n                         -Houston Chronicle\n                   -Walter Cronkite\n                         -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]\n                   -Herbert E. Kaplow\n                   -Dan Rather\n             -The President's message played Sunday, October 17, 1971\n                   -Radio station re-broadcast\n                         -Distribution\n\n        Graham's schedule\n             -Rome\n             -Holiday Inn convention","filename":["011-148.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:22:29","tapeEnd":"04:26:48","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Graham, William F. (\"Billy\")"],"prevCode":"011-147","nextCode":"011-149","transcript":[{"start":0.99,"end":1.59,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.73,"end":2.65,"text":"Reverend Graham, sir."},{"start":3.1,"end":3.92,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.48,"end":4.82,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.04,"end":5.52,"text":"Hello, Billy."},{"start":5.62,"end":6.38,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":6.4,"end":7.06,"text":"You back home?"},{"start":7.34,"end":7.7,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":7.76,"end":11.19,"text":"I'm in Memphis getting ready to address the Holiday Inn Convention here."},{"start":11.39,"end":13.33,"text":"Oh, well, they're all our friends."},{"start":13.39,"end":14.23,"text":"Give them my best."},{"start":14.25,"end":17.07,"text":"Well, they are your... Tell them I think, too, their ads have been great."},{"start":17.16,"end":20.42,"text":"I saw them in, you know, in the football and baseball games."},{"start":20.4,"end":26.89,"text":"Well, you know, last week we presented the idea of putting the picture of you and your family in every Holiday Inn in the lobby."},{"start":27.43,"end":27.69,"text":"Oh."},{"start":27.71,"end":28.77,"text":"And they voted it through."},{"start":29.21,"end":29.69,"text":"Oh, my."},{"start":29.71,"end":31.23,"text":"And it's going in right away."},{"start":33.99,"end":36.14,"text":"Oh, Dwight Chapin had suggested it."},{"start":36.4,"end":37.04,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":37.06,"end":38.06,"text":"He called me about it."},{"start":38.18,"end":39.24,"text":"Well, we've stayed there enough."},{"start":40.4,"end":43.41,"text":"We've stayed there enough in New Hampshire and Oregon and other places."},{"start":44.63,"end":45.43,"text":"Well, that's great."},{"start":89.44,"end":93.62,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, all of my friends throughout the country are sure excited about Friday."},{"start":95.23,"end":96.35,"text":"They really are."},{"start":97.65,"end":98.7,"text":"You mean about last Friday?"},{"start":98.72,"end":99.48,"text":"Yes, this past Friday."},{"start":99.5,"end":102.92,"text":"Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I was going to tell you that I was very pleased, Billy."},{"start":102.94,"end":106.95,"text":"First, our people said the television was good, and second..."},{"start":107.32,"end":113.27,"text":"Even the New York Times and the Washington Post had a front-page picture, to my great surprise."},{"start":116.07,"end":118.55,"text":"But I don't know."},{"start":119.02,"end":124.32,"text":"I really was pleased that they paid that much attention to it, weren't you?"},{"start":124.34,"end":125.74,"text":"And they treated it very well."},{"start":126.3,"end":129.65,"text":"You probably had a chance to study it more than I have."},{"start":129.67,"end":135.15,"text":"They weren't cynical at all in any of the articles that I read, and I was quite surprised because I thought they would be."},{"start":135.13,"end":136.69,"text":"How about in Charlotte?"},{"start":136.71,"end":137.74,"text":"They played it big there."},{"start":138.22,"end":140.58,"text":"Oh, you know, whole pages all over the Carolinas."},{"start":140.64,"end":144.77,"text":"And in Texas, I went to Texas that afternoon right after your plane took off."},{"start":144.79,"end":145.21,"text":"I had to go."},{"start":145.23,"end":146.01,"text":"I know you did, yeah."},{"start":146.41,"end":153.12,"text":"And all the papers down there had pictures on the front page and big articles except the Dallas Morning News."},{"start":153.18,"end":154.66,"text":"I don't understand why they didn't."},{"start":154.72,"end":161.29,"text":"But the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the Houston Chronicle, all those papers made it front page."},{"start":162.17,"end":163.91,"text":"So I think, you know, that's great."},{"start":163.93,"end":164.49,"text":"That's great."},{"start":164.61,"end":167.94,"text":"And Walter Cronkite, the way he handled it was tremendous."},{"start":168.8,"end":170.54,"text":"Yeah, they told me CBS was a bet."},{"start":170.56,"end":174.13,"text":"You know, they haven't been too good to us on a lot of things, but on this they said they were just great."},{"start":174.47,"end":177.41,"text":"Now, Herb Kepler was a little bit cynical."},{"start":177.47,"end":184.64,"text":"He said one or two little snide things, but Dan Rather handled it very well."},{"start":185.02,"end":185.88,"text":"Isn't that something?"},{"start":186.25,"end":186.49,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":186.97,"end":188.11,"text":"Well, that's good."},{"start":188.25,"end":189.22,"text":"I was very pleased."},{"start":189.74,"end":192.12,"text":"The main thing is, how about our friends?"},{"start":192.18,"end":192.74,"text":"How'd they feel?"},{"start":192.82,"end":195.21,"text":"I mean, the people, your friends and the rest."},{"start":195.25,"end":196.99,"text":"They're just overjoyed everywhere."},{"start":197.15,"end":198.89,"text":"They felt Texas is where I went."},{"start":199.11,"end":200.09,"text":"They got the message?"},{"start":200.39,"end":201.59,"text":"They got the message."},{"start":201.62,"end":202.34,"text":"That's the point."},{"start":202.64,"end":203.38,"text":"That's the point."},{"start":203.36,"end":214.96,"text":"And I thought your message, we played your message Sunday on 900 radio stations, and it was just tremendous to listen to it."},{"start":215.66,"end":220.27,"text":"You know, sitting back there, I didn't get the full impact, and of course I was emotional."},{"start":220.29,"end":221.55,"text":"And also you can't hear anything."},{"start":221.63,"end":222.59,"text":"You can't hear very well."},{"start":222.61,"end":224.29,"text":"When you're sitting back there, you don't hear half of it."},{"start":224.31,"end":227.34,"text":"I came over, and what you said was tremendous."},{"start":228.01,"end":231.16,"text":"Well, it's hard to know what to say on such occasions."},{"start":231.22,"end":237.68,"text":"Matter of fact, one or two of the papers said that you were giving the spiritual note and I was touching on politics."},{"start":237.7,"end":238.24,"text":"That's right."},{"start":238.26,"end":239,"text":"That's all right, too."},{"start":240.34,"end":243.07,"text":"Well, tell me, you're feeling all right?"},{"start":243.33,"end":244.61,"text":"I'm feeling just great."},{"start":244.63,"end":246.13,"text":"I'm getting ready to go to Rome tomorrow."},{"start":246.15,"end":246.49,"text":"You're right."},{"start":246.63,"end":247.15,"text":"I know you were."},{"start":247.21,"end":252.66,"text":"And you give the Holiday Inn people my best and tell them when I stay at a hotel, I'll try to pick theirs."},{"start":252.86,"end":255.38,"text":"I'll greet them when I get my address."},{"start":255.5,"end":256.08,"text":"Great."},{"start":256.1,"end":256.36,"text":"Bye."},{"start":256.42,"end":256.7,"text":"All right."},{"start":256.72,"end":257.26,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Reverend Billy Graham discuss the positive public and media reception of the President's recent appearance in North Carolina. 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