{"conversationCode":"012-058","tapeNumber":12,"conversationNumber":58,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-012-058","startDateTime":"1971-10-22T00:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-22T00:18:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Oct-1971","startTime":"8:03 PM","endDate":"21-Oct-1971","endTime":"8:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Sanchez, Manolo;","description":"On October 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Manolo Sanchez talked on the telephone from 8:03 pm to 8:18 pm. 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(Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n               -Potential female nominees\n                      -Florida\n                      -American Bar Association [ABA]\n                      -Congress\n          -Good commentary\n               -Cabinet\n          -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n               -Reaction\n               -Promise to women voters\n                      -American Bar Association [ABA]\n                      -Congress\n               -Efforts\n               -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n               -Tricia Nixon Cox\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Telephone calls to the President\n\nThe President conferred with Manolo Sanchez at an unknown time between 8:03 pm and 8:18\npm.\n\n     Request\n\n[End of conferral]\n\n     Telephone calls to the President\n          -Supreme Court nominations\n          -John B. Connally\n                -Speech\n                      -Lewis F. Powell, Jr.\n          -Tricia Nixon Cox\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n            -James D. Hodgson, William P. Rogers\n                   -George Meany\n                        -Herschel H. Friday\n                        -Woman\n                        -William H. Rehnquist\n                               -Robert H. Jackson\n                   -Possible telephone call by the President to Meany\n                        -Wage and Price Board\n                   -Unintelligible\n            -Rogers\n                   -Alexander P. Butterfield\n            -Maurice H. Stans\n            -George W. Romney\n            -Elliot L. Richardson\n            -John N. Mitchell\n            -Rogers C.B. Morton\n\nThe President conferred with Manolo Sanchez.\n\n     Request\n\n[End of conferral]\n\n     Rose Mary Woods’ schedule\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/15/2017. 1m\n36s segment cleared for release. 24s remain closed as 012-058-w002.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w002]\n[Duration: 1m 36s]\n\n     Rose Mary Woods’ schedule\n          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                 -Mildred L. Lillie\n                       -American Bar Association [ABA]\n                 -Women’s vote\n                 -Statement to women voters\n                       -The President’s response\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w002]\n[Duration: 24s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n               -Response of women voters\n               -The President’s knowledge\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Butterfield\n          -Rogers, Hodgson, Peter M. Flanigan\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/15/2017. 1m\n46s segment cleared for release. 11s remain closed as 012-058-w003.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w003]\n[Duration: 1m 46s]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n     Rose Mary Woods’s schedule\n          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n          -Tricia Nixon Cox\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Mildred L. Lillie\n               -American Bar Association [ABA]\n               -Senate\n               -Potential of female Supreme Court justice\n          -Responsibility\n               -John N. Mitchell\n               -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                      -The President’s attempt\n          -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n               -Statements\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w003]\n[Duration: 11s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Florida, Camp David\n                -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                -Mildred L. Lillie\n                      -American Bar Association [ABA]\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n     The President's assessment of his speech, October 21, 1971\n\n     Congratulatory telephone calls to the President\n          -Connally\n                -Texas\n          -Mitchell\n          -Romney\n          -Roger E. Johnson\n                -Louise Johnson\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/15/2017. 2m\n52s segment cleared for release with five segments of 57s, 12s, 15s, 17s, and 28s remaining closed\nas 012-058-w004, 012-058-w005, 012-058-w006, 012-058-w007, 012-058-w008 respectively.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w004]\n[Duration: 2m 52s]\n\n     Congratulatory telephone calls to the President\n          -Roger E. Johnson\n                -Louise Johnson\n                      -Phone call to Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n     Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s schedule\n          -National Federation of Republican Women event\n               -Philadelphia\n\n     Supreme Court nominees\n          -Other qualified women\n          -Mildred L. Lillie\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w004]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[Duration: 57s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Mildred L. Lillie\n                -American Bar Association [ABA]\n                -Congress\n                -Rose Mary Woods’s opinion\n          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                -The President’s suggestion\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w005]\n[Duration: 12s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s opinion\n                -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n[Personal Returnable]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[012-058-w006]\n[Duration: 15s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s statement\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w007]\n[Duration: 17s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Supreme Court nomination\n          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                -American Bar Association [ABA]\n                     -Impact on women\n                     -Impact on the administration\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8\n[Personal Returnable]\n[012-058-w008]\n[Duration: 28s]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["012-058.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:29:49","tapeEnd":"01:45:00","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary","Sanchez, Manolo"],"prevCode":"012-057","nextCode":"012-059","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":0.17,"text":"you"},{"start":116.52,"end":121.18,"text":"Do you want me to tell you in a hurry who else called?"},{"start":121.5,"end":126.39,"text":"Well, if there's anybody worth calling."},{"start":126.41,"end":127.47,"text":"Manolo."},{"start":127.49,"end":127.63,"text":"Manolo."},{"start":127.65,"end":127.97,"text":"Connolly called."},{"start":127.99,"end":134.26,"text":"And he said it came through exceedingly well down there, and that, you know, that he didn't know these men."},{"start":134.28,"end":136.8,"text":"He knew Powell slightly, but they sound very good."},{"start":136.86,"end":141.71,"text":"He thought your delivery, everything was excellent."},{"start":141.73,"end":142.15,"text":"Good."},{"start":142.17,"end":145.63,"text":"And Trish thought it was terrific, and it was a real surprise to her."},{"start":146.05,"end":160.75,"text":"Hodgson said he's over at Blair House, and so is Rogers, and I don't know who else."},{"start":160.76,"end":165.21,"text":"Hodgson said that he was sitting next to Meany while they were listening."},{"start":165.23,"end":168.73,"text":"And Meany was commenting about every other phrase on who was going to be the nomination."},{"start":168.75,"end":169.17,"text":"And he is very happy."},{"start":169.19,"end":171.96,"text":"One, because he was afraid Friday was going to get him, and he was terribly against him."},{"start":171.98,"end":172.84,"text":"Two, he was glad it was not a woman."},{"start":172.86,"end":175.5,"text":"And three, instead of Rehnquist, he said anyone who served with Jackson had to be a good name."},{"start":176.56,"end":197.79,"text":"Then he was hoping you could make a call to Meany sometime, because apparently they called up Wade Price's board in a hurry, and meeting for tomorrow, and he's annoyed that they called him about more notice or something."},{"start":197.81,"end":199.47,"text":"But I just don't think you can..."},{"start":199.49,"end":199.77,"text":"I won't do it."},{"start":199.79,"end":200.53,"text":"Yeah, that's my feeling, too."},{"start":200.55,"end":200.71,"text":"But..."},{"start":200.93,"end":207.46,"text":"And Hodgson says, you want to talk with him?"},{"start":207.48,"end":212.86,"text":"And Bill Rogers called, but that call went to Alex."},{"start":212.94,"end":215.39,"text":"Alex just needed to call him back later."},{"start":215.41,"end":221.28,"text":"Sam thought you really fooled him, and he's getting a big kick out of the commentators trying to figure out whether, you know, whether they'd been cleared or whether you'd had these all the time, you know, that sort of thing."},{"start":221.3,"end":223.46,"text":"Romney thought it was superb."},{"start":223.48,"end":224.1,"text":"He's disarmed your critics."},{"start":224.92,"end":243.49,"text":"The statement you made about the reason for their appointment would be accepted as valid and found by anyone who does."},{"start":243.51,"end":244.43,"text":"He just thought it was very excellent, always."},{"start":244.45,"end":246.16,"text":"Ray Richardson thought it was, he was very impressed by the speech."},{"start":246.18,"end":247.68,"text":"He thought it was a very fine statement."},{"start":247.7,"end":250.12,"text":"He thought that it was particularly good that you gave people what they really need, a little bit of a"},{"start":250.79,"end":273.69,"text":"the background and the support of the court as an institution."},{"start":273.71,"end":274.21,"text":"He thought it was superb."},{"start":274.24,"end":276.94,"text":"Mitchell thought it was, he thought it was, you know, it was just great delivery and everything, wonderful presentation."},{"start":276.96,"end":280.58,"text":"And the important thing was that you gave the country a bit of history, you know, a history lesson, which they need about the court, which they haven't been given."},{"start":284.64,"end":298.86,"text":"And Roger Morton called Alex, and said, great delivery, especially wise for Kevin to explain the court and the duties of the justices."},{"start":298.88,"end":300.24,"text":"Put them, I think, in the proper perspective of the American people."},{"start":300.26,"end":301.32,"text":"And he thought the collections were excellently done."},{"start":301.34,"end":301.52,"text":"So, look."},{"start":312.03,"end":314,"text":"Yeah, go ahead."},{"start":314.1,"end":314.75,"text":"Okay, so that's all."},{"start":314.77,"end":317.4,"text":"I've been on the phone since that ended."},{"start":437.5,"end":446.27,"text":"And Alex just gave me another note just saying that Rogers and Hodson and all of them and playing against groups is what it is."},{"start":446.29,"end":448.98,"text":"All saw the group applauded the performance and the selection."},{"start":569.29,"end":576.82,"text":"But I know very well that this was a goddamn good speech."},{"start":576.84,"end":578.36,"text":"Oh, it was an excellent one."},{"start":578.38,"end":579.36,"text":"It was excellent."},{"start":579.38,"end":580.52,"text":"It just couldn't have been better."},{"start":580.54,"end":584.38,"text":"And everyone, I mean, this is, I've taken a lot of calls everywhere, but this is very, it's spontaneous."},{"start":584.4,"end":588.01,"text":"And they were almost all on the line at one time."},{"start":588.03,"end":590.49,"text":"They had to, you know, to wait."},{"start":590.51,"end":591.25,"text":"Connolly called in from Texas."},{"start":591.35,"end":594.43,"text":"John Mitchell waited in his office and called."},{"start":594.45,"end":597.62,"text":"He said he'd be home if you wanted to talk to him."},{"start":597.64,"end":598.48,"text":"I'll have to talk to him, right."},{"start":598.5,"end":598.66,"text":"And, um,"},{"start":599.18,"end":611.52,"text":"uh as i say romney and all the people roger johnson called he thought you just did a superb superb job and see louise was against a woman anyway it's not you might give louise a call"},{"start":911.75,"end":912,"text":"BEEP"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary Rose Mary Woods discussed the positive reception of the President's televised speech regarding his nominations of Lewis F. 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