Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 12 › Conversation 012-061
Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on John N. Mitchell
Thursday, October 21, 1971 · 8:40 PM ET · White House Telephone
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President Nixon held a telephone conversation with the White House operator to facilitate a call to Attorney General John N. Mitchell. The primary purpose of the communication was to coordinate with Mitchell regarding sensitive administrative and political matters. The dialogue underscores Nixon's ongoing efforts to manage internal White House communications and outreach to key cabinet members during his presidency.
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0:364 diwrnod.
0:36Iawn.
0:38Wel, beth ydych chi'n ei ddweud?
0:39Wel, rwy'n mynd i'w ddweud, rwy'n meddwl ei fod yn syniad gwych ac rwy'n meddwl y gallai'n cael ei reoli heb ddim llawer o anoddau.
0:47Yr unig problem rwy'n ei weld yw a ydych chi'n gallu dod â rhywbeth.
0:50Dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl y byddai hynny'n anghywir.
0:53Dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl, dwi'n meddwl,
1:06Mae'n debyg mai'r broblem yw hyn, Brif Weinidog.
1:08Yn ein traedwriaethau, yn y traedwriaethau fwyaf arbenigol sydd gennym ni gyda llawer o wladau, rydyn ni'n darparu y byddwn ni ddim yn rhoi unrhyw... yn y gwirionedd, maen nhw'n cael y trin gorau y byddwn ni'n rhoi i unrhyw wlad arbenigol.
1:20Felly, os ydym ni wedi cymryd rhaglen,
1:26ac mae pob wlad arall sydd wedi cael trafodaeth gyda ni yn dweud, wel, rydych chi'n rhaid i ni roi'r un trafodaeth.
1:31Rwy'n gweld.
1:33Nawr, os ydw i'n cael fy llyfrgellau'n gweld a oes un allan ar hynny, efallai y bydd rhyw ffordd i
1:38i ddod allan ohono, os oes rhywbeth o'r cais ysgrifennu yn y triwydau hynny, gallwn ni ddefnyddio hynny.
1:43Ydych chi, nid yw'n gwneud llawer o wahanol o'n safbwynt i ni.
1:45Nid yw'n mynd i fod yn hynod o bwysig iawn o ran... Nid yw'n golygu unrhyw beth.
1:49Na, nid yw'n gwneud unrhyw beth.
1:50Ond mae'n golygu llawer iawn iddyn nhw.
1:52Ac unrhyw beth rydyn ni wedi ei wneud, hyd yn oed os oedden ni wedi cynnig arweinyddiaeth neu rywbeth, dwi'n meddwl y dylid i ni ei wneud oherwydd maen nhw
2:07Ond ar hyn o bryd, rhaid i ni fod yn gallu gwneud hynny.
2:09Dwi ddim yn gwybod beth y gallwn ni ei roi, ond... Wel, gadewch i mi edrych ar hynny.
2:13Efallai ei fod yn rhaid i ni, nid yn fwy yn y ffordd o ddeladur arian mawr, ond rwy'n meddwl bod y peth o'r gwasanaeth yw'r ddeladur.
2:18Dyna'r peth.
2:18Neu beth am hefyd, cofiwch, roedden ni'n siarad am
2:26Wel, mae hynny'n golygu arweinyddiaeth.
2:28Mae hynny'n ymwneud â hynny.
2:29Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:31Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:33Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:34Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:36Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:37Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:39Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:41Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r hawliau cyffredinol.
2:43Mae hynny'n
2:56Wel, gadewch i mi... A yw modd i mi... Wel, rydw i'n ymwneud â chynllunio'r llaw yma ychydig.
3:01Rydw i hefyd.
3:01Os ydym yn gallu ei chynllunio heb...
3:05heb fynd yn llawer o broblemau ar y peth o'r dynion hyfforddiant.
3:07Mae'n dda, ond mae'n ymddiriedol iawn i'r Cymru.
3:10Rwy'n cytuno eich bod ni wedi cael rhywbeth i siarad amdanynt.
3:13Yr unig, wrth gwrs, yr hyn rydyn ni'n siarad amdanynt yw ein bod ni'n eu hysbysu am ein trwyddiadau a'r hyn rydyn ni'n mynd i'w wneud ac ati.
3:20Mae hynny'n golygu rhywbeth.
3:21Ond ar y llaw arall, rhaid i ni wneud rhywbeth i'w wneud.
3:23Os oes gennych un peth i'w roi, hyd yn oed os nad oedd yn hynod o bwysig,
3:34yna byddai'n llwyddiant anhygoel oherwydd gallech chi ddweud wrthyn nhw ar y tryb i Peking a Mascaw a siarad â nhw fel arweinwyr byd-eang ac ati ac maen nhw'n hoffi hynny.
3:43Ie.
3:43Y peth arall yw, a oes unrhyw beth arall, rydw i'n credu, rydyn ni wedi bod yn ysgrifennu ein hymddygiadau yng Nghymru a rhywbeth arall
3:52rhywbeth newydd neu wahanol y gallwn ni ei wneud, rhyw fath o gysylltiad newydd neu rhywbeth, dwi ddim yn gwybod, dwi ddim yn gwybod.
3:58Wel, gadewch i mi roi fy marn i i'w ddweud.
3:59Mae wedi bod, fel rydych chi'n gwybod, bob tro rydych chi'n ceisio ysgrifennu sbeth ymlaen Cymru, rydyn ni'n dod â dim, oherwydd, rydych chi'n gwybod, nid yw hi yno, yw'r peth?
4:08Mae hynny'n iawn, dyna'r broblem mewn gwirionedd.
4:11Wel, dwi'n meddwl am hynny, ond peidiwch â'n cymryd ni'n ymwneud â'r trwyddi wrth i ni... O, na, na, beth rydw i'n mynd i'w wneud, wrth fy modd, rydw i'n ymwneud â'r holl bethau, ac rydw i'n siarad am yr ysbrydoliad, chi'n gwybod, beth mae Charlie Martin yn ei wneud.
4:21Ond rydw i'n hoff iawn o'r syniad o'r Brasil.
4:23Rydw i hefyd.
4:24Rydw i'n mynd i un peth arall.
4:26Ar un peth arall, os oes gennych chi bryd, ar trwyddi Pat, rydw i'n siarad â hi, ac rydyn ni'n
4:42gwneud hi'n trwyddiad busnesol mwy na'r cymdeithasol, ac i gynnwys yn ei rhan, gael rhan bach, ond gael hi'n cynnwys, dweud, 4 neu 5 o'r bobl uchel yn ein Llywodraeth.
4:50Ie.
4:50Felly gallai fod yn trwyddiad busnesol o'r bobl, nid yn hollol, ond trwyddiad busnesol o'r bobl.
5:02A gallem gael rhywun sy'n ymwybodol o'r siop yn yr ysgol, rhywun sy'n ymwneud â'r ysgol iechyd.
5:05Rydyn ni wedi cael ddyn yma sy'n dda iawn ac mae ganddo 4 neu 5 o ddynion Cymru'n uchel.
5:09Gwych.
5:09Ac mae hynny'n rhoi'r syniad yw bod dynion yn deal â dynion ac wrth gwrs, mae hynny'n gymdeithas matriarchol.
5:14Ie, dyna iawn.
5:22fel y byddwn i'n dweud, nid byddai'n ymwybodol iawn oherwydd bydd gennym rhai dyn hefyd.
5:26Gweithiol syniad.
5:26Na, nid wyf yn cael unrhyw dyn.
5:28Wel, mae gennym ychydig, ond rwy'n credu... Nid wyf yn credu bod angen i chi.
5:31Rwy'n meddwl yn bersonol bod gwneud hynny'n ymwneud â phobl
5:34fel y gallwch chi.
5:36Byddai'n syniad da iawn.
5:40Yr unig person mae angen ei gymryd yw Graham, oherwydd ei bod wedi cael ei gyflwyno.
5:43Billy Graham, wrth gwrs, yw'r... Wel, byddwn i'n... Nid yw hynny'n rhywbeth i'w wneud ar y delegaeth yng Nghymru, oherwydd mae hynny'n unig i'r bywydau, ond yr rest o'r trwyddiad... Oes gennych chi... Rydych chi'n cynllunio rhai stopiau eraill?
5:54Ie.
5:54Yr hyn rwy'n meddwl y byddem yn ei wneud yw ceisio cynllunio efallai 3 neu 4 cwntri eraill.
5:58Byddai'n hynod o gyflwyno.
6:00Ydych chi'n meddwl bod hynny'n dda?
6:01Mae hynny'n hyfryd, maen nhw'n ei hoffi.
6:02Nawr, wrth gwrs, dydw i ddim yn gwybod a yw hyn yw'r achos.
6:05Sut ydyn nhw'n teimlo yno am dynion Negron?
6:07Mae'r Prif Weinidog Cwnts yn yr adran gwaith sy'n dda iawn, neu maen nhw'n hoffi dynion Negron?
6:15Ydych chi'n golygu yng Nghymru?
6:16Ie.
6:16O, wrth gwrs, wrth gwrs.
6:18Rydych chi'n gwybod beth rydw i'n golygu, dydw i ddim yn... Rydw i'n meddwl... O, na, roedd yna... Roedd yna... Roedd y
6:28ac mae hi'n un sy'n digwydd i mi.
6:30Mae Pat Hitt, wrth gwrs, yn dafadol yn y rhan o ran pwy y mae'r dynion ynghylch hyn, ond byddai hynny'n syniad da iawn.
6:40Mae'n golygu llawer i nhw i fynd hefyd.
6:43Iawn, ond byddai'n llwyddiannus iawn.
6:48Ac rydych chi'n gwybod bod rhai negron da iawn hefyd, ychydig neu tri ohonyn nhw.
6:53Ydyn nhw.
6:55Simeon Booker.
6:56Dyna iawn.
6:56Ydyn nhw'n rhoi ethol, beth yw ei enw?
6:58Ethhol, rwy'n gwybod.
7:00Un o'r bobl fawr.
7:00Rwy'n bob amser wedi bod yno.
7:01Rwy'n wedi bod yn ei fywyd, ethhol.
7:03Ac maen nhw'n rhoi chwarae da iawn mewn Ebony a Jet a phethau fel hynny.
7:06Byddai'n cael, byddai'n cael effaith.
7:09Iawn.
7:10Wel, gadewch i mi weithio ar y ddau o'r rhain.
7:12Iawn, yn iawn.
7:12Ond roeddwn i'n meddwl bod y cyfarfodaeth gyda'r leololwyr wedi mynd yn dda i chi.
7:15Ie, roedd yn iawn, yn iawn, yn dda.
7:16Mae'n dda, roeddech chi'n ei roi'n iawn i'w ddweud.
7:18Bob Griffin.
7:19Roedd yn dweud iddo fod Tomi'n meddwl ei fod yn y peth gorau yr oedd wedi'i ymwneud â nhw.
7:24Mae'n wych.
7:24Rydw i'n gwybod, un peth arall.
7:25Wel, mae hynny'n dda, y ffordd rydych chi wedi'i adlewyrchu.
7:27Mae angen clywed ychydig o bethau positif.
7:35Mae ein ffrindiau ddemocraidd yn hollbwysig iawn am hyn, ond mae'r Rwydwaith Cymdeithasol yn ddrwg.
7:40Ond mae'r pwynt yw eu bod nhw'n ysgrifennu i fynd allan i'r blaen oherwydd maen nhw'n gwybod bod y llaw yn dod o hyd.
7:47Pan fyddwch chi'n dod i feddwl amdanyn nhw, Bill, mae pum caswlti'r wythnos hwn.
7:50Felly beth yw'r Christ?
7:51Mae llawer yn cael eu llwyddo yn y canfus.
7:58Wel, dim ond ar un wythnos... Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:00Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:01Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:02Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:02Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:03Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:04Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:04Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:05Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:05Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:06Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:06Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:07Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:08Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:09Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:10Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:10Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:11Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:11Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:13Mae'n hollbwysig.
8:24Diolch yn fawr, Brif Weinidog.
8:25Byddwn ni'n gweithio ar hyn.
8:26Dwi'n meddwl mai dyma ddau syniad da.
8:28Diolch yn fawr.
8:34Diolch yn fawr.
8:38Helo.
8:38Ie, hi, Don?
8:38Ie, sir.
8:38O, roeddwn i'n meddwl beth oedd eich ffigur o'ch ffrind yng Nghymru.
8:44O, dydw i ddim wedi'i gael.
8:46O, rwy'n gweld.
8:46Dydw i ddim yn ymwybodol eich bod chi wedi cael yr ymddiriedaeth rydw i wedi ei gael.
8:51O, nid, nid, nid, nid, roeddwn i'n meddwl eich bod chi'n dweud y byddai'n mynd i gael hi, ond mae hynny'n iawn, nid yw'n bwysig.
8:57Wel, byddaf yn edrych gyda'i a gweld beth mae wedi'i gael.
9:02Dwi'n meddwl y mae'n rhaid i'w hysgrifennu i'r papurau ddydd o ddydd o ddydd, felly mae'n rhaid iddo gael hynny.
9:08Dydyn ni ddim eisiau hynny yn cynnwys ei fod e eisiau ei roi i ni.
9:11Yn siŵr.
9:12Wel, byddwn i'n cymryd ychydig yn ôl ac yn dod yn ôl i chi.
9:14Os ydych chi'n gael hynny, rwy'n ymwneud â hynny.
9:16Yn siŵr, rwy'n ymwneud â hynny hefyd.
9:18Os yw'n mynd i ddod allan ddydd, byddai'n debyg ei bod yn gadael i chi gael hynny.
9:21Byddwn i'n meddwl hynny.
9:26Iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn.
9:41Yr un enw sydd wedi dod i mi, sy'n dda iawn yn y cymdeithas cyhoeddus, yw Hoyt Amadon.
9:44A yw'r enw arall wedi dod ar eich desg?
9:47Nid yn dda, nid wyf wedi gweld ei enw arall.
9:50Mae'n Prifysgol Ymddygiad Newydd.
9:51Mae'n ffrind mawr o Connoly.
9:53Mae'n ffrind mawr o Connoly.
9:53Mae'n ffrind mawr o Connoly.
9:54Mae'n ffrind mawr o Connoly.
9:55Mae'n ffrind mawr o Connoly.
9:57Mae'n ffrind mawr o Connoly.
10:11Rwy'n rhoi hynny i Peter.
10:12Peter sy'n ei gwybod yn dda, maen nhw'r cydweithwyr cymdeithasol.
10:14Mae'n dda iawn.
10:14Dwi ddim yn gwybod pam nad oeddwn i wedi meddwl am ei enw yn ddiwethaf, oherwydd roedd hi'n dda iawn.
10:18Mae'n ymwneud â hynny, fe wnaethon ni ei ofyn i'r Ambaser i Parys unwaith.
10:20Ond mae'n enw sy'n digwydd i mi.
10:21Rydyn ni'n gobeithio, ac yn siwr, am gyhoeddiad ystod diwrnod ar y ddau ohonyn nhw, ac wedyn ymweld â chi.
10:25O, mi fyddai'n dda i ymweld.
10:25Byddai'n dda.
10:26Y peth arall y
10:39Ie, unrhyw adeg rydych chi'n ei ddweud, oherwydd byddaf yn bod yma yr holl dydd ym mis Fri. Nid ydw i'n mynd i ffwrdd.
10:45Gwych.
10:45Y wythnos hwnnw.
10:45Felly gallwn ni ei wneud, a byddai hynny'n dda, cael hynny ym mis Fri, felly byddai'n cwrdd â'r llygaid y flwyddyn nesaf.
10:52Ie.
10:52A'r papurau yn Ym mis Fri. Ie.
10:54Ym mis Fri, rwy'n cyfarfod rhywbeth.
10:56O ie, rwy'n gwneud Cynulliadau Cymru ym mis Fri.
10:58Ond dwi ddim eisiau bod hynny'n bwysig iawn.
11:00Felly byddwn i'n fawr yn hoffi cael hwnnw.
11:01Gallem wneud hynny ar 11 o'clock, ar 11.30.
11:02Dyna pan oeddem yn gobeithio, a'r un peth yw llwyddo'r un pen arall.
11:04Iawn.
11:05Pwy fyddwch chi'n gwneud Prifweithiol Prifweithiol yn olaf?
11:06Fe wnaethoch chi benderfynu?
11:07Mae'n ei enw Grayson.
11:08Dwi ddim yn ei gwybod yn bersonol.
11:09Ond mae gennych chi bwrdd da iawn.
11:11Mae'r prifweithiol yw'r agor.
11:12O, mae'n yr agor.
11:13Y Prifweithiol.
11:13Mae George wedi cael sgwrs i'r prifweithiol
11:28Rydych chi'n ceisio mynd i fynd am beth?
11:30Beth fath o ddyn yma?
11:31Wel, mae'n rhaid iddo fod yn fath cyhoeddus ac rydyn ni'n gobeithio ei fod yn... Mae'n rhaid iddo fod yn brifysgwr, mewn gwirionedd.
11:37Wel, neu fath o dymuniaeth sy'n galluogi pobl i weithio gyda'i gilydd.
11:44Ie, ie.
11:44Wel, rydyn ni bob amser yn dod â'r un ddyn o'r Harvard bob amser, ond rwy'n meddwl nad ydym yn gallu ei ddefnyddio ar hwn.
11:48Mae'n mynd i fod yn swydd anodd.
11:51O, dyma'r asiantaeth mwyaf bwysig o bawb, nid Scranton.
11:58Mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud beth am hyn.
12:01Rhaid i chi ddweud beth am hyn.
12:02Rhaid i chi ddweud beth am hyn.
12:03Rhaid i chi ddweud beth am hyn.
12:04Rhaid i chi ddweud beth am hyn.
12:22Dwi ddim yn gwybod.
12:23Iawn.
12:23Wel... Ond dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n dod ymlaen.
12:24Byddai cyfrif George yn dda iawn ar hyn o beth o beth oherwydd, mewn gwirionedd, pan fyddwch chi'n dod i lawr i'w wneud,
12:36Mae'r ddyn ideol i gynnal hynny yw George.
12:38Byddai'n wych.
12:40Mae'n y math o dyn rydyn ni'n edrych arno.
12:43Felly, gadewch George i gael rhywun fel ei hun.
12:45Byddai hynny'n ei gwneud yn teimlo'n dda hefyd.
12:48Ond, nid ydych chi'n cytuno?
12:49George yw'n gryf ac mae'n hollbwysig ar y ddau ochr a'n cael ei haeddu.
12:57Mae'r enwau yn broblem yn sicr.
12:59Mae'n sicr.
13:00Mae hynny hefyd yn mynd i gymryd ychydig o ddynion â chynnyddion yn ôl.
13:03Nid yw'n gallu bod yn... O ie, oherwydd mae'r un penderfynol yw'r un sy'n llwyddo'r holl busneswyr gyda'i gilydd.
13:07Yn sicr.
13:07Mae'r busneswyr yn anghywir.
13:08Maen nhw'n ddiddorol iawn, ond mae'n rhaid i chi gael rhywun sy'n gallu gwneud nad yw'n gallu gwneud i George Meaney a'r ddynion hyn wedi'u llwyddo bob amser.
13:18Ie, sir.
13:19Wel, diolch yn fawr.
13:20Os oes gennych unrhyw help, gweithiwch i mi wybod.
13:22Gwych, ac rydw i'n mynd yn ôl atoch chi ar y... Rydw i'n gweithio ymlaen yn y UOB heddiw ar rhai pethau prif.
13:26Iawn.
13:26Wel, rydw i'n mynd yn ôl atoch chi ar unrhyw beth arall.
13:32Iawn.
13:35Helo, Bob.
13:36Ie.
13:36Yn y Cynulliad, mae'r peth gorau yw nad ydyn nhw'n mynd yn ôl i'r wythnos o Fawr 17, ond mae hynny'n seiliedig ar yr ystyriaeth nad ydyn nhw'n mynd allan hyd yn oed cyn Ie.
13:44Os ydyn nhw'n mynd allan yn gyntaf, yr hyn y maen nhw'n ei wneud, yna byddant yn dod yn ôl i'r wythnos o Fawr 3.
13:47Fawr 3?
13:47Os ydyn nhw'n mynd allan dros Ysgrifennu neu rhywbeth fel hynny.
13:50Ie.
13:50Wel, wrth gwrs, byddai 17 yn golygu y byddwch chi'n cael
14:04Rydw i'n meddwl yn unig o'r trwyddiad Pat a'i gweithiwr.
14:06Nid oes angen iddi fod yn ôl pan fyddant yn yma, yn amlwg dydw i ddim eisiau cael ystafell union ac ati, ac ati ar ei gyhoeddiad.
14:10Ond os oes gennym y tair, pa dydd o'r wythnos yw'r tair?
14:12Y tair...
14:23Fe allwn ni gael ystafell union ar y 10.
14:253 yw'r wythnos ac nid ydyn nhw'n mynd yn ôl i'r dydd neu'r wythnos.
14:27Dyna'r hyn rwy'n ei olygu.
14:28Roedd y cynllun arbennig oedd dod yn ôl ar y 4. ar dydd.
14:30Ond nid yw unrhyw un yn credu y byddan nhw'n mynd i'w gyflawni yn amser i wneud hynny.
14:34Ie.
14:34Ac mae'r ystyriaeth yw nad ydyn nhw'n mynd yn ôl i'r 18 neu'r 19.
14:37Ie, iawn.
14:37Fe allwn ni gael ystafell union ar y 10 neu fath.
14:38Iawn.
14:48Iawn, gallwn ni ei roi i lawr i'r 10 mewn unrhyw fath os ydych chi eisiau.
14:51Gallwn ni ei roi i lawr i'r 10 mewn unrhyw fath, rydych chi'n iawn.
14:54Ar y sylfaen o ystyried, mae gennym ni'r union ystod y 20 nawr.
14:56Ie, rwy'n gweld.
14:58Iawn, yn iawn, yn iawn, yn iawn.
15:01Ar hyn o bryd, does dim ffordd o ddweud beth mae'n mynd i'w wneud.
15:07Ychwanegwch y cwmpas ychydig.
15:08Iawn.
15:08Iawn, mae hynny'n dda.
15:14Miss Nixon, os gwelwch.
15:15Diolch.
15:18Hwyl.
15:19Hwyl.
15:19Hwyl.
15:19Hwyl.
15:19Hwyl.
15:19Hwyl.
15:20Hwyl.
15:20Hwyl.
15:21Hwyl.
15:21Hwyl.
15:22Hwyl.
15:22Hwyl.
15:22Hwyl.
15:22Hwyl.
15:48Felly gallwch chi ddod â berson uchaf o HEW, chi'n gwybod.
15:52Ie, mae'n rhaid i mi feddwl amdanyn nhw ychydig, Dick.
15:55Felly ni ddim yn penderfynu nawr, oherwydd rhai o'r ddynion hyn, maen nhw'n anodd i'w gofalu, chi'n gwybod, nid y gallwch chi fynd o gwmpas.
15:59Ie, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gwy
16:15Oh, ie.
16:15Wel, gallem.
16:16Fe fyddwch chi'n mynd i mewn.
16:17Fe fyddwch chi'n mynd i mewn a bydd pob un ohonyn nhw'n mynd allan i ysbrydoli sefydliad, mae un arall yn mynd i ffwrdd nyrsio, mae un arall yn mynd i sefydliad gwirfoddol, ac mae un arall yn mynd i hynny, ac rydych chi'n mynd i'r pethau rydych chi'n mynd i. Fe fyddwch chi'n cyfarfod yn gyffredinol yn ystod y nos, sef y ffordd rydw i wedi mynd, yn amser.
16:29Felly, rydw i'n meddwl, a'r syniad hefyd, y syniad o wneud y trwb yn bwys
16:37Ie, wel, rwy'n rhoi hynny allan.
16:38Oherwydd y peth o'r gwasanaeth.
16:40Ie, gwelwch, mae gen i i fynd i beth arall nawr, byddaf yn siarad amdano, iawn?
16:44Ie.
16:44Iawn.
16:44Iawn.
16:45Os gwelwch.
16:45Diolch, Sir.
16:56Ie.
16:57Mr. President, is that the Attorney General you were asking for?
16:59Yeah.
17:00He's in his car.
17:01He's due back in the office about a half an hour.
17:03Now, can I reach him in the car for you?
17:05No.
17:05I'll talk to him when he gets back.
17:07May I leave word in the office for him?
17:08Yep.
17:08Thank you, sir.
17:15Mr. President, I have the Attorney General now.
17:17Thank you.
17:18You're welcome.
17:22Dyma chi, Baris.
17:22Helo.
17:23Ie, Prif Weinidog.
17:23Sut yw'r Philadelphia?
17:24Sut ydych chi'n mynd ymlaen yno?
17:25Mae hynny'n wych.
17:26Roedden ni'n cael hynny mewn ysgolion.
17:29Iawn.
17:29Rwy'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gobeith
17:47Wel, mae wedi mynd ychydig yn fawr, chi'n gwybod, mae'r Berchers yn bwysig, fel rydych chi'n gwybod, yn anti-Semitig ac anti-Negro, ac os oedden ni wedi ddweud hynny amdanyn nhw, byddai'r prifysgol wedi'u llwyddo a'r rhai eraill, ac mae'n dweud yn gyflym bod y bobl mae'r Prifysgol wedi'u cynghori iddyn nhw a'r Prifysgol i gyd fel aelodau o'r Cymdeithas Berchers.
18:01Mae wedi mynd ychydig yn fawr ac rwy'n meddwl ei fod wedi'i llwyddo, yn enwedig
18:13P.O.W.
18:14Wives and Mothers.
18:16Yes, I think that's really hurt them.
18:17Some of the cartoons were devastating.
18:19What's the latest reports?
18:21I've just gotten in.
18:23Howard Baker has not called.
18:31Oh, still delay.
18:33Yes, sir.
18:34Mae'n debyg ei fod yn chwilio am rywbeth gobeithiol.
18:36Yn leiaf, byddwn i'n ymddiried.
18:37Mae hynny'n ymwneud â hynny.
18:39Roedd Berger yn siarad â'i.
18:40Roedd Berger yn siarad â'i.
18:42Roedd Berger yn teimlo'n dda iawn ein bod yn ei ystyried, neu sut oedd e'n meddwl?
18:45Roedd e'n teimlo'n dda iawn.
18:52Roedd e'n credu ei fod yn syniad da, hyd yn oed ei bod hi'n hir?
18:54Ie, hyd yn oed ei bod hi'n hir.
18:56Beth roedd e'n ei ddweud?
18:58Beth oedd ei reacsiwn?
18:58Rwy'n edrych.
18:59Reacsiwn Berger?
19:00Ie, beth roedd e'n ei ddweud am y ffactor o flynyddoedd?
19:03Wel, mae'n dda am 8-10 mlynedd.
19:04Dyna beth mae wedi bod yn ei ddweud, beth roedd e'n ei gyflawni y nos diwethaf.
19:08Ac wrth gwrs, roedd e hefyd yn teimlo y byddai'n ei rhan bwysig i'r cofnod, y sgwrs, y sgwrs fawr.
19:12Wrth gwrs, mae pawb yn edrych ar
19:20Pan roedd yn adrodd yn ôl, ar ôl cael siarad â Lou Powell, roedd yn sôn mor dda.
19:25Roedd Berger yn meddwl y byddai'n mynd ymlaen i'w wneud.
19:29Ie.
19:48Rwy'n sicr yn gwneud hynny, nid ar ôl edrych ar rhai o'r ffoslau y maen nhw wedi'u cael.
19:52Y ffartiau y maen nhw'n eu cael nawr.
19:56Ond Howard, nid yw hynny'n dda.
19:57Mae wedi'i gadael.
19:58Nid yw'n dda.
19:59Nid yw'n dda.
19:59Nid yw'n dda.
20:00Nid yw'n dda.
20:00Nid yw'n dda.
20:00Nid yw'n dda.
20:01Nid yw'n dda.
20:01Nid yw'n dda.
20:01Nid yw'n dda.
20:02Nid yw'n dda.
20:03Nid yw'n dda.
20:18Yn fy marn i, John, os bydd y ddau ohonyn nhw'n treulio, byddwn i'n mynd i lawr yn fawr.
20:22Byddwn i'n mynd i'r Smith yng Nghylffordd.
20:26Nid oes cwestiwn nad yw'n mynd i gael un sy'n cael ei gyflawni'n dda, yn fy marn i. Nid ydw i'n gallu gweld, pe na fydd unrhyw un arall yn gwneud hynny.
20:34ysgol elit, oeddoch chi'n edrych ar Cal neu'r Harvard, dwi ddim yn gwybod pa un, ond ffyrdd llywodraeth mawr, a'r Prif Weinidog o'r Bwrdd o'r Regiwns o'r Unigoliaeth o'r Califonia.
20:43Nawr, wrth dduw, mae hynny'n eithaf anodd i'w nodio, nid yw'n hynny?
20:46Mae'n sicr.
20:47Felly, dyna hynny.
20:48Unrhyw un sy'n dderbynol ac yn rhyfeddol.
20:50Ie.
20:51Y peth arall yw, rwy'n credu y byddwn i'n mynd am Mulligan.
20:54Yn ymwneud â chyfweliadau, mae'n werth y cost.
20:55Felly, beth yw hynny?
20:57Mae'n ddyn o'r ysgol llaw, ac mae pawb arall yn, chi'n gwybod, maen nhw wedi dweud, rhaid i ni gael ddyn o'r ysgol llaw.
21:02Felly mae'n ymgyrch, o leiaf.
21:03Rwy'n gwybod, rydych chi'n meddwl, rwy'n meddwl, os ydych chi'n cyflogi'r un allweddol a'r un mediograff, nid yw hynny'n ddrwg.
21:17Fe fyddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n rhaid iddynt roi ychydig o farnau da i chi a chredid da, ond nid ydynt yn mynd i'w wneud os ydyn nhw'n gallu helpu.
21:22Ie, rydych chi'n ymwneud â Mulligan, a ydych chi?
21:25Nid ydw i'n ymwneud â Mulligan fel berson, fel arweinydd a'i philosofaeth.
21:31Mae gen i rhai penderfyniadau am eu bod yn eich cymryd.
21:36fel nid yw'r arweinwyr gwahanol y ddylai ei fod, ac ati.
21:39Ond rwy'n credu y byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny mewn unrhyw ffordd.
21:42Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:44Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:45Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:46Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:49Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:50Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:51Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:53Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:54Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny gyda Smith.
21:56Byddan nhw'n gwneud hynny
21:58Ie.
21:58Ac wrth gwrs, roedd yn bwysig yn y blaen, ac mae wedi bod yn ymarfer llaw, ac mae wedi cael y gweithgareddion allan yma.
22:06Ie, mae'n iawn.
22:07Wel, dyna lle rydw i'n mynd i lawr nawr.
22:08Iawn.
22:08Gadewch i mi weld os gallaf... Ie.
22:11...sgrifio Baker a... Baker a Powell, os maen nhw'n cymryd llaw nawr.
22:14Os yw'n dod i lawr, byddwn ni'n gweld.
22:17Os yw Powell yn cymryd'r llaw, ydw i'n meddwl... Dwi'n meddwl, os yw Powell, byddai Mulligan yn y llaw arall.
22:21Dyna fy marn i, yn hytrach na mynd am Powell a Smith.
22:26Oherwydd mae Powell a Smith yn cael anodd o fod yn dweudid cymdeithasol.
22:32Ac rwy'n credu bod Mulligan yn sôn ychydig yn well.
22:37Wel, wrth gwrs, maen nhw wedi cydnabod y ffordd gyfrifol.
22:39Ac rydych chi'n iawn yn gwleidyddol.
22:42Nid oes cwestiwn am hynny.
22:48Oherwydd yr agwedd Iwerddon, nid yn unig'r lleoliad.
22:52Wel, rydyn ni'n codi Lilia, rydych chi'n gweld, sy'n Catholeg, ac nid ydych chi'n gallu cael un arall.
22:57Iawn.
22:58Wel, mae hynny'n fy mhrofiad nawr, ond gallwn ni siarad amdano.
23:00Iawn.
23:00Iawn, sir, gadewch i mi weld a ydych chi'n gallu cael y ddynion ar y llinell.
23:03Iawn.
23:03Iawn.
23:03Iawn.
23:03Iawn.
23:03Iawn.
23:04Iawn.
23:04Iawn.
23:05Iawn.
23:09Iawn.
23:10Iawn.
23:18Diolch yn fawr.
23:20Diolch yn fawr.
23:43Yn amlwg, fe wnaethon ni ddweud y byddwn ni'n dechrau siarad am rai pethau yr oedd eisiau ei ystyried gyda fi, ond rwy'n siŵr nad oes gan unrhyw sylweddol sylweddol.
23:52Ond mae'n mynd i fynd.
23:54Iawn.
23:54Nid ydw i wedi gallu cael cymaint â'n ffrind Senat.
23:56Gadewch i mi ofyn i chi hyn.
23:58Roeddwn i wedi cael Dick yn yma, Dick Moore, un munud yn ôl.
24:01Ac efallai y byddaf yn ail-evalu, mae'n dod i lawr iawn ar eich man, Renquist.
24:06Mae'n meddwl ei fod
24:11wedi cael ei ddod yn ail yn ei glas ym Mhrifysgol yn Stanford.
24:13Roedd yn gyfarfod Robert Jackson, ac o'ch cyfrif, yn ymddiriedol yn gyffredinol.
24:18Yn sicr.
24:20Ac byddai'n gwneud diogelwch gwych.
24:22Byddwch chi'n cytuno?
24:24Ie, sir.
24:24Beth fyddai'r wlad yn ei ddweud amdanyn nhw?
24:27Mae'n sicr ei fod wedi cael ei gyflawni, nid yw?
24:29Byddwn i'n credu hynny.
24:31Dwi ddim yn meddwl bod unrhyw gwestiwn amdanyn nhw.
24:34Mae'n ystyriaeth wedi'i ysgrifennu gan Ed Walsh pan oedden ni'n siarad am hyn.
24:38O'i safbwynt ei hun, mae'n sicr yn gwneud hynny.
24:40Beth yw'r ysgrifennu gwleidyddol ohono?
24:42Mae'r ysgrifennu gwleidyddol yn bennaf yn hyn, dyma'r peth rydyn ni'n dod i lawr gyda hynny.
24:45Os ydym yn cael Powell, yna dwi'n meddwl ein bod ni'n achosi'r cyfle i ystyried Mulligan.
24:50Ar y llaw,
25:04Ac wrth gwrs, os ydyn ni'n cael Baker, mae Paul a Baker yn cymdeithas da iawn.
25:09Mae Baker yn ifanc.
25:09Iawn, sir.
25:10Dyma chi.
25:10Felly, os oeddem ni'n cael Baker, rydyn ni'n cael ei wneud.
25:13Rydyn ni'n cael Paul nawr.
25:15Mae Paul wedi dweud ie.
25:16Iawn, sir.
25:17Roedd yn dechrau siarad am rywfaint o bethau roedd eisiau siarad â fi amdano, ond gallaf feddwl nad oes rhywbeth o ganlyniad.
25:22Iawn.
25:22Nawr, ar Paul, rydw i eisiau mynd ymlaen a chyhoeddi hynny cyn i'w dechrau ffynnu.
25:32Nid yw unrhyw un yn mynd i leihau hynny fel rwy'n ei gwybod.
25:34Wel, dydw i ddim eisiau i chi ddweud Cymraeg.
25:36Dydw i ddim, wrth gwrs.
25:37Ac wrth gwrs, yr hyn rydyn ni eisiau ei wneud yw gynllunio'r busnes cymdeithasol Cymraeg fel y gallwn ei ddefnyddio.
25:43Wel, sut am gyhoeddi Powell y bore yma?
25:45Dydw i ddim yn gwneud hynny hyd at ein bod ni wedi... Mae'n ymwneud â Cymraeg.
25:48Ie, rydyn ni eisiau gynllunio'r cymdeithas hwn fel y gallwn ddyfynnu'r dyn arnynt.
25:52Rwy'n gwybod, ond rydw i'n go
26:02Iawn, byddwch chi'n clywed gan y Cynulliad Cymdeithas Cymru pan fydd hwnnw'n ddiweddar.
26:05Iawn, mae'r Cynulliad Cymdeithas Cymdeithas wedi cael ei alw i mi nawr.
26:07Iawn, iawn, caelwch chi'n ei alw i mi yn ôl pan fyddwch chi'n ei alw.
26:10Ond cofiwch, gadewch i ni feddwl, ar y peth o Renquist, mae'r mynediad gwleidyddol yn bennaf yr un math o mynediad os oedden ni'n mynd â Smith.
26:19Mae'r syniad yw ein bod yn cyflwyno ddyn sylweddol.
26:22Mae hynny'n ymwneud â hynny.
26:23Ac hefyd, nid oes ganddo'r llawr cymdeithasol yn llawer yn ymwneud â Smith.
26:25Ond dyna'r peth, rydych chi wedi'i gyhoeddi, ac rwyf wedi bod yn meddwl amdano.
26:42Mae llawer o bobl yn meddwl yn fawr am y dyn, mae'n rhaid iddo gael llawer yn y bar.
26:45Mae ganddo sylweddolaeth arbennig iawn i'r Prif Weinidog, nid oes unrhyw gwestiwn amdanyn nhw, ac mae'n dda iawn.
26:48Mae wedi gwneud ymddiriedolaeth sylweddol ar y cyfrifiad yma, a phobl ar y llawr, a'r rhai yn y bar sydd wedi'u cymryd.
27:04Rydych chi wir yn cael penderfyniadau am y peth Mulligan, nid ydych chi, John?
27:08Rwy'n cael penderfyniadau am sut mae'n mynd i ffyrdd.
27:11Yn amlwg, beth yw Rehnquist?
27:12Rwy'n meddwl ei fod yn brotestant.
27:14Rwy'n siŵr o hynny.
27:16Mae'n ddrwg iawn.
27:17Mae'n ddrwg iawn.
27:18Dwi'n dweud ei fod yn newid ymddiriedaeth.
27:20Mae'n ddrwg iawn.
27:21Dwi'n ei ddweud ei fod yn newid ymddiriedaeth.
27:23Dwi'n ei ddweud ei fod yn newid ymddiriedaeth.
27:24Dwi'n ei ddweud ei fod yn newid ymddiriedaeth.
27:27Dwi'n ei ddweud
27:31beth bynnag yw'n ei wneud, gwnewch i'w newid.
27:34Ydw, gadewch i mi symud ymlaen yma gyda Lou Powell, a byddwn i'n gweld os ydw i'n gallu codi Baker, ac yna byddwn i'n siarad â Walsh ac yn dod atoch chi.
27:40Diolch.
27:40Iawn.
27:41Iawn.
27:41Iawn.
27:45Iawn.
27:45Iawn.
27:52Helo, Prif Weinidog.
27:53Yn gyntaf, wrth siarad gyda Lou Powell, nid oes unrhyw beth yn ymwneud â hynny.
27:58Fe wnaeth ei ysgrifennu ar un pryd ac fe wnaeth ei ddynnu Martin Luther King ar gyfer ei gweithwyr.
28:13ac mae'n ymddiriedol yn ysgrifennu ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati ac ati
28:42TV Cenedlaethol o amgylch 7.30.
28:43Mae hynny'n iawn.
28:44Rwy'n credu mai dyna'r ffordd gorau i'w wneud, oherwydd rydyn ni wedi cael
28:50A'r Baker?
28:51Mae'r Baker yn ddiddorol iawn yn ystod yr eraill, yn dod yn ôl o Noxville.
28:55Mae hynny'n dda.
28:58Ac nid yw wedi cael ei ddweud pam y byddai'n mynd neu unrhyw beth am hynny.
29:01Byddai'n bod yn yma... Efallai y byddwn ni'n gadael iddo ar y list.
29:05Wel, maen nhw'n dweud y byddai'n bod yn yma o'r hanner i'r sex.
29:08Mae'r flynyddoedd yn ei wneud ar 5.45, felly rhaid i ni gael... Wel, rwy'n... Rwy'n meddwl y byddai'r peth o'r Renquist yn bosibl iawn, os nad yw'n mynd.
29:19Rwy'n gwybod nad yw hynny'n gwneud llawer yn gwleidyddol, ond pan fyddwch chi'n meddwl ar record y dyn, mae'n record da iawn.
29:26Nid oes cwestiwn perffaith am hynny.
29:28A beth mae'n mynd i ddweud bod Llywodraeth Llywodraeth Bob Jackson yn anhygoel?
29:34Nawr, rwy wedi siarad â Judge Walsh.
29:37Iawn.
29:37Sut mae'n dod allan?
29:38Maen nhw wedi codi'r ddau ohonyn nhw.
29:40Iawn.
29:40Beth oedd i'w disgwyl.
29:43Codi'r ddau o Fri?
29:44Ie.
29:45Mae'r Llywodraeth yno.
29:47Wel, roedd hynny'n fwog 6-6.
29:48A beth am Lily, beth oedd hi yno?
29:5011-1.
29:50A beth roeddech chi'n ei ddweud, ddim yn gwerthfawr?
29:53Ie.
29:53Gwych.
29:53A rydych chi'n gwybod beth roedden nhw'n ei ddweud?
29:56Gwych.
30:02y byddai'n gallu cael ei ystyried gan y Cwrdd.
30:03Ie, ie.
30:04Roedd y ddweud yn cael ei wneud yno.
30:05Wel, a fyddant yn mynd i roi hynny allan?
30:07Nid, nid.
30:07Nid ydyn ni'n mynd i roi unrhyw beth allan.
30:08Wel, rydyn ni'n mynd i roi hynny allan.
30:09Rydyn ni'n mynd i gael hynny allan.
30:11Rydyn ni'n mynd i gael hynny allan.
30:12Rydyn ni'n gorfod gwneud hynny, dwi'n meddwl, cyn i ni wneud yr adroddiad.
30:15Dwi ddim yn gwybod.
30:16Wel, bydd yna'n debyg y bydd yna ffwrdd.
30:17Iawn, da.
30:17Bydd yna ffwrdd y bydd y
30:30ac nid oedd yna unrhyw gwaith.
30:31Ac mae'r peth gyfrifol yn mynd i'w llwyddo mewn gwirionedd.
30:33Un rhan arall o'r syniad hwn, byddaf am ddarparu i Walsh, ar y cyfnod cywir, llythyr a fyddwn ni'n cyd-destun ein hunain o
30:51Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
30:53Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
30:55Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
30:57Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
30:59Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
31:02Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
31:05Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
31:07Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
31:09Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'r peth hwn.
31:13Mae gennych chi ddim wedi bod yn ymwneud â'
31:20Ac rwy'n meddwl efallai y byddai'r peth i'w wneud hefyd yw rhoi adroddiad cyhoeddus ar y pwnc.
31:24Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:26Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:27Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:29Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:30Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:33Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:35Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:38Ie, rwy'n gofyn i chi gynhyrchu'r peth.
31:41Ie
31:44Mae'n rhaid i ni wneud ddwy bethau.
31:45Gadewch i'r ffwrdd ddod allan yno am eu gweithgareddau ar hyn.
31:49Ie, yn gyflym.
31:50Ac yna gallwn ni'i ddylunio'n ffordd yr amser a'r ffordd rydych chi eisiau iddo fynd.
31:55Wel, rydw i eisiau mynd ystod y nos diwrnod, John.
31:59Os nad yw Baker yn dweud na, yn dweud ie ystod y nos, yna mae fy marn i, rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n gweithio'n fawr iawn i'r Rhenquist.
32:06Yn rhywle neu arall, rwy'n credu bod hynny'n rhywbrydol.
32:13ond nad ydych chi'n cael y broblem o'r llaw Smith, dwi'n golygu'r cleientiaid, a phethau'n ymwneud â hynny.
32:20ac os ydych chi'n teimlo'n hyfforddus gyda'i.
32:22Rwy'n teimlo'n hyfforddus iawn gyda'i.
32:24Iawn.
32:24Wel, dyna'r ffordd rwy'n ei wneud, os yw'n ymwneud â Baker neu Renquist.
32:27Iawn gyda chi?
32:27Iawn, sir.
32:28Wel, yna byddwn ni'n... Felly, gynnalwch rhywbeth ar hynny.
32:31Ond, diolch yn fawr, doedd Baker ddim ddiddorol i ni ymlaen fel hyn.
32:34Dwi'n golygu, nid oedd gennyf hyd yn oed y gwrtaith o galw ac yn dweud ei bod yn mynd i lawr yno ar gyfer hyn a hwn a hwn a'r rheswm nesaf.
32:40Pan wnaeth e ddod yn
32:45ar 545 heno, felly efallai y byddwn i'n clywed o hyd yn oed.
32:48Wel, mae'n rhaid i chi ddweud i'w clywed, ydych chi?
32:50Ie, sir.
32:51Wel, rwy'n ei roi ar y llinell.
32:52Nid ydym yn mynd i'w aros, oherwydd rwy'n mynd i fynd i'r llinell.
32:55Ydych chi'n gweld, gyda'r llinell yma, byddwch chi'n sylweddoli bod hynny'n golygu bod y llinell yn llinell, ac nid ydw i'n mynd i beidio â chyflawni gyda hynny yr holl wythnos.
33:01Rwy'n cytuno.
33:01Rwy'n mynd i wneud yr adroddiad ymlaen ystod 7.30.
33:03I
33:11Byddwn i'n meddwl y byddai hynny'n wych, ac rydyn ni'n ei gynllunio ar hyn o bryd.
33:14Felly rydw i'n mynd i wneud y penderfyniad nawr i fynd ar 7.30, byddaf i'n ddweud i'r rheolwyr i ddod â'r amser.
33:18Mae hynny'n dda iawn.
33:19Mae hynny'n dda iawn.
33:20Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:22Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:23Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:24Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:26Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:27Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:28Byddai hynny'n dda iawn.
33:29Byddai hynny'n dda ia
33:38yn cynrychioli'r holl glwyddiant mawr hynny.
33:40Mae'n iawn, ac felly mae Rhenquist ddim yn y gategori hwnnw.
33:43Ie.
33:43Ie.
33:44Ie.
33:44Iawn, yna dyna beth mae'n ei fod yn.
33:46Mae'n un o'r ddau, Powell a Baker neu Powell a Rhenquist.
33:48Ie.
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34:03Rydw i'n ceisio codi hynny.
34:03Ydych chi'n gweld beth rydw i'n ei olygu?
34:05Byddant yn meddwl y byddwn ni'n mynd tuag at y bar, neu y byddwch chi'n hoffi aros i'r bore?
34:09Nid.
34:09Rwy'n meddwl bod hynny'n iawn, pan fydd rhywun ddim yn... Nid.
34:15Ni fydd unrhyw un yn gwybod'r enwau.
34:17Rwy'n deall, dim ond rydych chi a fi yn gwybod'r enwau.
34:20Nid ydych chi'n gwybod.
34:20Nid ydych chi a fi yn gwybod'r enwau.
34:23Nid ydych chi a fi yn gwybod'r enwau.
34:26Nid ydych chi a fi yn gwybod'r enwau.
34:28Nid ydych
34:29Mae'n dda iawn.
34:30Rwy'n gweld chi'n meddwl amdanyn nhw'n ymwneud â hynny.
34:32Nid, yr hyn rydw i wedi'i ddweud yw bod yn rhaid i ni ddweud i Ziegler y byddaf yn gwneud y cyhoeddiad ar 7.30 heno.
34:39Y bydd hynny'n cael ei gyhoeddi yn y bore?
34:40Ie, nid y byddaf yn ei gyhoeddi heddiw.
34:42Y byddaf yn ei gyhoeddi heddiw?
34:44Ie, gadewch i ni ei adeiladu.
34:45Bydd hynny'n mynd i'w symud o gwmpas nhw.
34:47Wel, bydd hynny'n llwyddo'r llaw ohonyn nhw.
34:49Byddant yn meddwl y byddwn ni'n mynd
34:59Ydy hynny'n iawn gyda chi nawr?
35:00Ie, yn iawn.
35:01Nid wyf yn gweld unrhyw beth.
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35:27Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:28Ie.
35:28Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:28Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:29Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:30Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:31Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:32Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:32Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:33Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:34Ie, Prif Weinidog.
35:47Yr un sydd ddim yn ôl yn yr aeroport.
35:48Iawn.
35:48Felly bydd hi'n cael ei ffynhau heno, hyd yn oed... Heno.
35:52Dwi ddim yn mynd i roi cyfnod nifer ddwy i unwaith mwy.
35:55Mae'n gweithio neu ddod heno.
35:57Ie, rwy'n gwerthfawrogi.
35:58Neu rydyn ni'n mynd i'r ddyn arall.
35:59Iawn.
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36:07Beth?
36:07Y... Y wybodaeth amgylcheddol ar y bobl hyn.
36:10O, ie, ie.
36:11Rydych chi'n cymryd y wybodaeth amgylcheddol y gorau y gallwch chi.
36:14Rwy'n gofyn, mae sgwrs gwych ar bob un.
36:16Ie.
36:16Yn enwedig, os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden nhw'n... os oedden
36:37Richard Moore.
36:37Richard Moore.
36:37Richard Moore.
36:39Richard Moore.
36:41Richard Moore.
36:42Richard Moore.
36:42Richard Moore.
36:43Richard Moore.
36:44Richard Moore.
36:45Richard Moore.
36:47Richard Moore.
36:48Richard Moore.
36:49Richard Moore.
36:49Richard Moore.
36:50Richard Moore.
36:51Richard Moore.
36:53Richard Moore.
37:07Ond roedden nhw'n dweud, o'r holl dynion yng Nghymru, bod hi'n debygol o'i gallu meddwl, ond nid oedd hi'n cael ei gwerthu i fod yn yr awdur.
37:14Sut ydych chi'n hoffi hynny?
37:16Mae hynny, wrth gwrs, beth allai fod yn fwy pwysig neu'n well na hynny?
37:18Mae Mitchell wedi cael hynny, wrth gwrs.
37:21Mae gennych chi'r wybodaeth hwnnw nawr, ac mae hynny'n gallu... ond yna, mae'n dweud, isis ar gyfer Christ, gadewch i ni gael hi allan, felly bydd hynny'n
37:34Rydyn ni'n mynd i ffwrddio nhw ar hynny.
37:36O, mae hynny'n wych.
37:37Mae hynny'n gweithredu.
37:38Yr un peth rydw i eisiau ei wybod, ac rydw i ddim, oherwydd rydyn ni'n mynd i fod yn rhaid i ni symud yn gyflym ac rydw i ddim yn gallu cymryd unrhyw un arnyn nhw, yw ar y Rhenquist, ond er mwyn nad ydw i'n cael Baker.
37:48Baker yw'r peth cyntaf a byddwn ni'n ei wybod arno mewn awr neu ddwy.
37:51Ond er mwyn nad ydyn ni'n cael hynny,
37:55ar Renquist, roeddech chi'n gweld, o ran Erlichman nawr, roeddech chi'n dweud ei fod ar gyfer neu ddim?
38:02Roeddwn i'n ddiddorol iawn am ei fod ar gyfer, rwy'n meddwl y galla i ddweud.
38:06Roedd e'n dweud, roeddech chi'n ei roi arnyn nhw yno ac yn deall, nid ydym ni'n mynd i lwyddo'r rhain gyda'r bar.
38:10Roedd fy mhryder, Brif Weinidog, ei fod yn argymell nifer un Erlichman.
38:13Iawn, da.
38:15Wel, mae hynny'n dda, rhwng chi a hi, ac nid yw hynny'n mynd unrhyw ffordd.
38:17Mae'n mynd i fod yn anodd iawn i'r bobl hy
38:23I checked Bill Smith, who was not on the Harvard Law Review, but he was summa cum laude in Phi Beta Kappa at USC.
38:30I see.
38:31So he might have been just below it.
38:33All right, fine.
38:34All right, sir.
38:35Right.
38:38Yeah.
38:38Mr. Haldeman, sir.
38:40Yeah.
38:42Yes, sir.
38:43You'll have to change the Bush meeting in view of this, because I'll need that time to prepare these remarks.
38:48Okay.
38:49Tomorrow afternoon, so just put it off to Friday if you can.
38:52yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn iawn yn ia
39:23ychwanegu, nid ychwanegu ond newid.
39:24Dydw i ddim eisiau mynd mor ymlaen, ac rydyn ni'n defnyddio'r ddwy gwaith yn y sbeth o'r genedlaeth diwethaf o weithwyr ac ati ac ati ac ati.
39:31Rwy'n credu ei bod, rydw i wedi dweud wrth gwrs, yr syniad, rydych chi'n gwybod, yn un cyfweliad, y gallai hyn fod yn y llawr diwethaf neu rywbeth, ond ar y llawr arall, rydw i'n meddwl y gallwn ni fod wedi cael ein cymryd i'w ddweud, wel, rydyn ni'n cymryd llawr anghywir ac ati ac ati ac ati,
39:49Ac felly beth ydym ni wedi ei gael?
39:51Felly rwy'n meddwl os oedd hi'n gallu, dim ond tinker a
39:57Ac rydych chi'n gwybod beth rydw i'n ei olygu.
39:58Mae'r trefnau hynny'n cymryd hynny allan, felly nid yw'n cymryd hynny'n uchel o gobeithio.
40:01Peidiwch â'i fod yn ddigon ddigon ddigon o gobeithio.
40:04Ond rwy'n credu, wel, mae'n gwneud cyd-destun da i'r genedlaeth cyntaf o weithwyr, y genedlaeth diwethaf, a'r genedlaeth ddiwethaf, ac mae hynny'n hollbwysig.
40:12Ond rwy'n credu ei fod yn mynd ychydig ychydig ychydig yn fawr yn y cyd-destun presennol.
40:22Ond arall, rwy'n credu ei bod yn iawn.
40:23Mae ganddo llawer o... mae'n ddiddorol iawn ac ati.
40:25Iawn.
40:25Diolch yn fawr.
40:26Diolch yn fawr.
40:27Diolch yn fawr.
40:28Diolch yn fawr.
40:33Diolch yn fawr.
40:34Diolch yn fawr.
40:34Diolch yn fawr.
40:35Diolch yn fawr.
40:35Diolch yn fawr.
40:40Diolch yn fawr.
40:41Diolch yn fawr.
40:41Diolch yn fawr.
40:42Diolch yn fawr.
40:42Diolch yn fawr.
40:51Rydyn ni wedi rhoi Torro ar y graen, roedd hi'n hynod o bryd ac ati ac ati, ac nawr rwy'n credu, John, nid yw Torro, beth yw hwn, 60?
40:5865, rwy'n meddwl 6 nawr.
40:5966.
40:59Ie, mae'n rhaid.
40:59Mae hynny'n ddwy flynedd yn fwy, ond roedd yn rhaid i mi gael rhywun yn llai na 65, rwy'n meddwl y gallwn ni ei ddweud, ond
41:11Unwaith eto, rwy'n meddwl y gallwch chi'i gyflawni, ond rwy'n parhau i ffwrdd, rwy'n parhau i ffwrdd o'i... Ie, mae'n siarad â mi amdano'r peth yn aml ac mae fy mab yn... Rwy'n ei ddweud, rydyn ni'n parhau pobl i'w gynhyrchu.
41:19Ie.
41:19Rydyn ni'n parhau pobl i'w gynhyrchu, ond mewn gwirionedd, dydw i ddim yn siŵr y bydd Taro yn llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llwyddo'i llw
41:32Ydyn nhw, neu ydyn nhw?
41:35Na, fe fyddai'n debyg ei fod yn iawn, ond... Mae'n ddiddorol, pam ydych chi'n meddwl eu bod wedi llwyddo ar Ffridae, o'r holl bethau?
41:42Rhywbeth.
41:42Rhywbeth cyhoeddus.
41:43Byddwn i'n ysgrifennu.
41:45Mewn gwirionedd?
41:46Ie, dyna'r hyn roedd Ed Wallace yn dweud i mi.
41:48Wel, bydden nhw'n gwneud yr un peth am Paul yna, fydden nhw ddim yn cael, nid y bydd unrhyw un yn cael cyfle.
41:53Yr ydych chi'n golygu y byddaf wedi'i ennill?
41:56Y byddaf wedi'i ennill, ac nid y bydd yna'r pwysau, rydych chi'n gwybod, o'r holl wlad, o'r Llywodraethau Cyhoeddus a phethau hynny.
42:05Byddaf wedi'i ennill, byddaf wedi'i ennill.
42:08Wel, roedd Walsh wedi cydnabod iddo i mi fod hynny oedd.
42:14Mae'n rhaid i'r menyw ddod allan i ryw ffordd.
42:15Mae'r ffodd yn mynd allan yn ddiweddar.
42:18Mae popeth arall wedi'i leihau allan.
42:19Rwy'n credu ein bod ni'n mynd i leihau hynny os nad ydyn nhw.
42:21Rydych chi'n edrych yn siŵr y byddwn ni'n gwneud hynny un ffordd neu'r arall.
42:23Mae Walsh yn gwybod ei fod yn dod.
42:25Mae wedi bod yn gweithio'n dda.
42:26Dwi'n meddwl bod yr 11-1 yn hyfryd oherwydd mae'n gyfweliad.
42:30Mae'n gyfweliad sylfaenol.
42:43Wrth gwrs, nid yw un yn cael ei gwerthu.
42:45Mae hi'n ymwneud â'i gwerthu gorau, ond nid yw hi'n cael ei gwerthu os yw hi'n cael ei gwerthu yn y Llyfrgell.
42:51Ie, mae hynny'n wych.
42:53Mae hynny'n wych.
42:54Rydyn ni'n rhaid i ni gynllunio hynny, ac wrth gwrs, nid ydym yn gallu mynd ymlaen yn fawr hyd yn oed i chi ddod drwy'r nos diwethaf, oherwydd, arall, bydd y diwethaf o'r gweithgaredd yn cael ei ddystryd.
43:05Ie, mae hynny'n iawn.
43:05Ond rydyn ni'n gweithio ar y llyth
43:11Iawn, nawr, wrth gynnal fy ngwneud, byddaf i'n mynd i ddefnyddio, yn y bore, byddaf i'n mynd i ddefnyddio Sapphire oherwydd ei fod yn ysgrifennydd mwyaf ac rydw i, chi'n gwybod, ar y math hwnnw o beth ac felly byddaf i'n mynd i gael
43:25pan bydd yr holl bethau hynny'n dod o hyd yma, efallai y bydd yn gofyn cwestiwn neu ddwy.
43:28Rwy'n gofyn i chi ei fod yn fy awdurdod.
43:31Iawn, yn iawn.
43:32Ac mae fy marn i yw i'n mynd ymlaen gyda'r... mae'n mynd i fod yn gyflym, ond rwy'n hoff i ddweud bodwn wedi ceisio cael y wlad ar gyfer y ddwy bobl gorau cymdeithasol a'r holl hynny.
43:40Mae'n fwyaf o leirydd yn y lle.
43:42Allwch chi ei ofyn?
43:43Wel, nid ydw i'n mynd i'w ddweud hyd i'r ysgol.
43:45O, rwy'n gwybod.
43:46O, dyw, nid ydw i'n mynd
43:54unwaith y byddwn ni'n penderfynu, yna byddaf yn dechrau ei ysgrifennu a'i llocio.
43:56Dyna'r ffordd rydyn ni'n ei wneud, dyna'r hyn rydyn ni'n ei wneud yn y ffordd ddwy, yn y ffordd un, rydych chi'n gwybod, fe wnaeth hi hynny hefyd.
44:04Gwych.
44:04Gwych, rydw i'n gwybod ei fod yn gadael, felly byddwn i ddim, oh, mae'n ddim yn cael y syniad fwyaf allweddol ei fod yn cael ei ofyn i'w wneud y swydd hwn.
44:10Iawn.
44:10Ond mae'n ysgrifennu'n gyflym, dyna'r peth bwysig, mae'n cael ei wne
44:20yn aros i siarad â chi.
44:22Yn yr aeroport?
44:23Mae wedi cyrraedd yn yr aeroport ac mae ar y ffôn.
44:25Iawn.
44:26Iawn, wel, caw'n i'n ôl.
44:27Wel, byddaf yn ei roi'n unig i chi.
44:28Iawn, iawn.
44:29Yr Prif Weinidog, mae gen i'r awdurdod eto.
44:34Ie.
44:34Ie.
44:34Ie.
44:34Helo.
44:35Prif Weinidog?
44:36Ie, hi.
44:37Mae Howard Baker yn dod.
44:38Rydw i yng Nghymru.
44:39Mae Howard Baker yn dod yma yn ychydig o blynyddoedd.
44:42Mae'n ychydig yn hir hefyd hefyd.
44:44Ie.
44:45Mae hyn wedi llwyddo'n un ffordd neu'r arall.
44:47Ie.
44:49Wel, y peth allweddol yw... Roedd e eisiau gweld chi, ond nid wyf wedi'i ddweud.
44:53Nid.
44:53Nid.
44:53Y peth yw, mae'n penderfynu, mae'n dweud ie neu nid.
44:59Ac mae e eisiau'n iawn.
45:04Mae'n dda iawn.
45:04Os ydym ni'n cael hynny i'r pwynt ei fod yn gweld fi, yna bydd e'n brocerio.
45:10Roeddwn i eisiau siarad am gwleidyddiaeth, ond doeddwn i ddim yn meddwl bod hynny'n bwysig.
45:13Roedd gwleidyddiaeth ddim yn siarad amdano.
45:14Rydw i wedi siarad amdano.
45:15Rydw i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:17Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:19Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:20Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:27Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:29Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:32Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:35Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth.
45:38Roeddwn i wedi siarad am gwleidyddiaeth
45:39Peidiwch â'i presio.
45:40Os nad yw eisiau, peidiwch â'i presio.
45:47Mae'n rhaid i mi wneud yn siŵr bod yr holl bwmbo cyffredinol yn cael ei wneud yn siŵr.
45:56Dwi ddim yn gwybod beth yw'r peth hwn yn digwydd yn ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod
46:22Ac fe wnes i ddweud iddo fod gennych chi'r penderfyniadau'n agored ac roeddwn i'n cyfeirio i chi ei gallu.
46:28Wel, mae e eisiau mynd nawr, he?
46:29Ie, sir.
46:32Wel, peidiwch â siarad â'i allan o hynny, he?
46:36Wel, nid ar y cyfansoddiad yr oeddem wedi ei bwysio i mewn i.
46:45Ond rydw i wedi mynd drwy'r un rhwydwaith ac rwy'n credu bod gennych chi wahanol os ydych chi eisiau mynd y ffordd eraill.
46:51Dwi ddim yn meddwl y bydd hynny'n mynd i'w hwylio mor llawer os ydych chi'n defnyddio eich wahanol ffyrdd.
47:14os ydych chi'n teimlo'n gyflym i'r adran arall.
47:35A ydych chi wedi cael unrhyw beth?
47:37Bydd hynna'n penderfynu i mi yn llawer.
47:39A allech chi ddod 5 munud yn ôl ac yna alw i'n ôl?
47:42Beth oedd y record hwnnw yn ysgol llyfrau ac ati?
47:44A ydych chi'n gwybod unrhyw beth am hynny?
47:46Nid, ond rwy'n credu y byddwn i'n gallu... Rwy'n rhaid gwybod, rwy'n rhaid gwybod, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn, rwy'n gofyn
48:03Iawn, rydw i'n ceisio gwneud hynny'n gyflymach.
48:05Rydw i'n meddwl ein bod yn y sefyllfa o ddweud nid.
48:07Rydyn ni'n teimlo bod y sylwadau gwleidyddol rydych chi wedi'u cyhoeddi yn anodd neu'n rhyfeddol.
48:12Ie, rydyn ni'n ei roi ar y cyfansoddiad hwnnw.
48:14Rydw i wedi meddwl amdano ac rydw i wedi meddwl amdano hefyd amdano ac rydw i'n meddwl bod y sylwadau gwleidyddol yn y ffordd hwnnw.
48:20Os ydych chi eisiau mynd at amser yn ddiweddar, bydd y lle arall yn agored i chi.
48:31Mae'n iawn.
48:32Mae'n iawn.
48:32Mae'n iawn.
48:32Mae'n iawn.
48:33Mae'n iawn.
48:34Mae'n iawn.
48:34Mae'n iawn.
48:34Mae'n iawn.
49:00Mae hynny'n fy ngwneud.
49:01Beth ydych chi'n meddwl?
49:03Rwy'n teimlo'n ymdrech ar hynny ar gyfer gwella'r chwrt, ac rwy'n credu y byddai'r PR arno'n llwyddo'n llwyddo, rwy'n meddwl, ac mae'n ymwneud â chyflawniadau.
49:13Ar un ochr, mae gennych ddwy arbenigwyr, sydd ddim yn dda.
49:15Ar y ochr arall, mae gennych ddyn sy'n ddim yn gwybod, ond gyda llaw o record.
49:27Mae'r peth nad yw'n gwybod gyda Rehnquist mewn gwirionedd ddim yn gweithio'n dda os oedd hi'n uchel yn ei clas.
49:33Oedd hi'n gyntaf neu'n ail neu rhywbeth fel hynny?
49:34Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:35Ydych chi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n gyntaf?
49:37Roedd hi'n gyntaf, ie.
49:38Ie.
49:38Wel, mae hynny'n beth anhygoel.
49:42Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:43Ie.
49:43Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:45Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:46Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:47Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:48Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei clas.
49:49Roedd hi'n gyntaf yn ei cl
49:59Dammit, rwy'n meddwl y dylai ni wneud hynny.
50:00Iawn.
50:01Wel, byddaf yn troi i Baker.
50:01Rwy'n meddwl y dylai i chi ddweud, Howard, o ran y ffaith bod gennych chi rhai daws, ond hefyd, yn gwirioneddol, mae'r Prifysgol yn teimlo
50:11Mae'r pethau gwleidyddol rydych chi wedi'u cyhoeddi yn cwestiynau.
50:14Ie.
50:14A bydd y lle arall yn agored i chi ymlaen os ydych chi eisiau.
50:19Oherwydd mae angen i ni ddwy arbenigwyr Cymru ar y cofnod, unrhyw beth, rydych chi'n gwybod.
50:23Ie.
50:24Ac efallai y byddwch chi eisiau cymryd unwaith ar y rhan o'r arweinyddiaeth ac ati, ac nid ydym ni'n cael llawer o ysgrifennu yn y Senat.
50:30Iawn?
50:30Ie, sir.
50:30Byddaf i'n ei roi.
50:32Byddaf i'n ei roi.
50:34Ie, iawn.
50:35Ie.
50:35Mae'r Prif Weinidog yn sôn.
50:38Ie.
50:40Mae'r
50:43Iawn.
50:46Helo.
50:47Helo, John.
50:47Yr Prif Weinidog, rwyf wedi siarad â Howard ac mae'n deall hynny'n llawn a mewn gwirionedd a... Wel, gallwch ei weld.
50:54Nid oedd hi'n ddiddorol yn unrhyw ffordd.
50:56Rwy'n meddwl ei bod hi'n cael rhyw fath o hyfforddiant, mewn gwirionedd, ar ei rhan, ond yn fawr iawn ac yn fawr iawn.
51:07Iawn.
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51:12a dwi ddim wedi dweud unrhyw un, yn amlwg, heb unrhyw un, crewch fi, heb mwy.
51:19Dwi ddim wedi dweud unrhyw un am yr hyn rydyn ni'n ei wneud yma.
51:24Mae Sapphire, wrth gwrs, wedi'i reoli.
51:26Dwi'n mynd i'w wneud fy hun.
51:27Dwi'n ysgrifennu'n fy hun nawr, felly dwi ddim yn mynd i gael unrhyw ysgrifennwyr heb fy hun.
51:36Dyna hynny, ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n beth da.
51:38Rwy'n bwriadu cadw hyn yn agos iawn.
51:40Nid yw Ziegler yn gwybod hynny.
51:41Rwy'n dweud, rwy'n ei ddweud, rydw i ddim yn gwybod beth rydw i'n mynd i'w wneud.
51:43Efallai ei fod wedi'i gyfarfod, er y mae'r bar wedi'i wneud.
51:46Iawn?
51:46Iawn, sir.
51:47Nawr, beth rwy'n meddwl, rwy'n ei ddweud, ar 6.30, maen nhw'n cael eu cysylltu â phobl y Gweinidog yn y Gweinidog, a phobl yng Nghyngor, a phobl yng Nghyngor, a phobl yng
51:59fel rydyn ni wedi'i wneud ar China a'r Rwydwaith, i'w hysbysu ac i'w dechrau gwneud cysylltiadau.
52:04Nawr, mewn eich cas, wrth gwrs, byddwch chi'n gweithio â'r cyfrifoldeb i wneud Ffriday ac i wneud Lily, mewn gwirionedd?
52:11Ie, sir.
52:11A byddwch chi'n gweithio â'r cyfrifoldeb i wneud Eastland, mewn gwirionedd, ac i gael hwnnw'n llinellu.
52:18A byddwn i'n meddwl bod y ddau Senatrwyr Virginia, y ddau ohonyn nhw, a allwn i argymell Bob Byrd, efallai y byddwch chi'n gweithio â hwnnw?
52:26Neu
52:27Rwy'n meddwl y bydd rhywun yn ei wneud, ac rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n ei wneud.
52:30Wel, nid ydych chi wedi siarad â hwnnw, ydych chi?
52:32Nid ydw i wedi.
52:32Yna, nid ydych chi'n ei wneud.
52:33Byddwn i'n ei wneud.
52:35Bydd Nick Moore yn gallu ei wneud.
52:37Bydd Nick Moore yn siarad â hwnnw hyd yn oed i lawr yno, ac bydd Nick Moore yn siarad â hwnnw hyd yn oed i lawr yno, ac bydd Nick Moore yn siarad â hwnnw hyd yn oed i lawr yno, ac bydd Nick Moore yn siarad â hwnnw hyd yn oed i lawr yno, ac bydd Nick Moore yn siarad â hwnnw hyd yn oed
52:56Mae Dick Morris yma.
52:57Iawn.
52:57Rydw i'n teimlo bod hyn yn bwysig iawn i mi ysgrifennu'n fy hun.
53:00Rydw i wedi gofyn am 125 o geiriau ar gyfer pob dyn sy'n gallu'i ddefnyddio mewn fy nghyngorion.
53:06Mae hynny'n ddigon, chi'n gwybod.
53:07Rydw i eisiau ddweud sut mae'r holl llinell yn mynd i fod yn arwain.
53:11Arwain a chymeriad a phethau fel hynny.
53:21Ac nid ydych chi'n meddwl mai dyna'r peth gorau?
53:25Ie, yn fawr iawn.
53:27Yn fawr iawn.
53:28A ydych chi'n mynd i ddysgu'r bar?
53:29Nid ydw i'n mynd i sôn amdanyn nhw.
53:31Mae hynny'n dda.
53:32Nid ydw i'n mynd i sôn amdanyn nhw yn unrhyw ffordd.
53:35Ie.
53:35Ond ar y cyd, drwy'r diwrnod, bydd Ziegler yn cael ei ddefnyddio ac mae'n syml yn mynd i ddweud, wel, mae'r Prif Weinidog, nid y mae'r bar yn cael pwysig, rydyn ni'n bwysig yn eu cyngor, ond yn amlwg bydd y Prif Weinidog yn gwneud ei
53:50ar ei hunan, mae hynny'n iawn.
53:50Mae hynny'n iawn, wrth gwrs.
53:51Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:52Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:52Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:53Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:54Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:54Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:55Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:55Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:56Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:57Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:57Mae hynny'n iawn.
53:58Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:00Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:01Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:02Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:02Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:03Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:04Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:04Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:05Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:07Mae hynny'n iawn.
54:08Mae hynny'n
54:15roedd 11 o'r rhai sy'n gwybod nad oedd llawer o ddynion yn cael eu cyflawni.
54:21Allwn ni wneud hynny?
54:22Fe fyddwn ni'n cael hynny allan.
54:24Rwy'n hoffi hynny allan.
54:24Dweud mwy, mae'n rhaid i hynny allan heddiw.
54:26Rwy'n gofyn i Sapphire ei fod yn leihau unrhyw beth.
54:29Iawn?
54:29Iawn, sir.
54:30Nid yn y colwm, ond rwy'n hoffi cael hynny allan.
54:34Un pwynt arall er mwyn cael eu cefnogi, rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n ei alw Leon Jaworski, y Prifysgol o'r Bar Amur.
54:42Ac Ed Walls, felly maen nhw'n dweud... Ydw, byddwn i'n golygu, mae Jowarski a Walls yn dweud, rydyn ni wedi gwerthfawrogi'r hyn y maen nhw wedi'i wneud.
54:47Mae'r hyn y mae'r Prifysgol wedi'i wneud nawr, mae'n dweud nad ydym ni'n gallu cymryd y bobl hyn i'w wneud ac wedi'u llwyddo i lawr am ddigwyddiadau nid-leol, ond mae wedi dewis ddwy fenyw, ac mae'n gwybod bod y bar, heb feddwl, yn gofyn, bydd yn cael ei gwerthfawrogi'n dda o'r bar yn y ddau achos.
55:11ac yna ddweud iddyn nhw beth yw'r peth.
55:12Iawn?
55:12Iawn, sir.
55:13Ond peidiwch â ddweud, yn benodol, peidiwch â ddweud i Walsh, dydw i ddim yn gwybod Jaworski, ond peidiwch â ddweud iddyn nhw cyn 6.30 neu fel.
55:21Y rheswm yw bod ganddyn nhw staff a gallan nhw ddweud iddyn nhw, ac mae'r staff yn ffurfio.
55:24Mae ganddyn nhw'r dynion hyn sy'n gweithio, mae Walsh yn gweithio arnynt, ac mae'r dynion yn ffurfio, John, rydych chi'n gwybod hynny.
55:32Rwy'n siŵr hefyd.
55:33Fe fyddwn i'n siarad â nhw cyn y digwyddiad.
55:36Rwy'n hapus iawn.
55:38A ydych chi wedi ddweud hynny i Renquist?
55:40Nid eto, ond rwy'n siŵr y byddai'n fwy na hapus iawn.
55:43Mae'n hapus iawn.
55:44Efallai y byddwch chi'n droi'i teithau.
55:46Nid ydw i'n gobeithio hynny.
55:48Nid ydw i eisiau gweld ef.
55:49Nid ydw i'n credu y byddwn i'n gwneud hynny.
55:51Nid oes angen.
55:52Nid ydw i wedi gweld Paul.
55:53Nid ydw i'n gwybod ef os oeddwn i'n ei weld.
55:56Dwi wedi cwrdd â nhw, ond dwi ddim yn gwybod nhw.
55:58Wel, mae'n un o ddynion sy'n debygol iawn.
56:00Ie, ac rwy'n credu ei bod yn symud da iawn, pan fyddwn ni'n codi'r blociau hynny a'u llwyddo.
56:08Rydych chi'n dweud bod Paul wedi gwneud sbeth yn erbyn Martin Luther King.
56:11Dyna un o'r unrhyw beth rydych chi'n gweld yn ei record.
56:13Mae'n ddrwg.
56:14Ie, dyna'r tebyg.
56:15Pa fath o sbeth oedd hwnnw?
56:16Oedd hi'n rhabid neu... O, na, na, na, na.
56:18Roedd hi'n rhaid ei wneud â'r argument sy'n
56:23wedi arwain yma dros y 4 neu 5 mlynedd diwethaf wedi bod mewn sefyllfa o wleidyddiaeth cyhoeddus.
56:27Mae hynny'n iawn.
56:27Mae hynny'n beth arbennig.
56:28Rwyf wedi dweud llawer o'r un pethau.
56:29Iawn.
56:29Iawn.
56:29Wel, rwy'n credu ei bod wedi bod yn waith da, John, ac rydych chi a'r rhai eraill wedi gweithio allan ble byddwch chi eisiau.
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57:09Diolch yn fawr.
57:11Diolch yn fawr.
57:27Rydw i'n ysgrifennu, rydw i wedi ysgrifennu un tape ac rydw i'n ysgrifennu'r arall.
57:31Mae hyn yn ddifrifol iawn, ond rydw i eisiau i chi ei rannu a'i gosod i mi.
57:34Yn ail, heb unrhyw amgylchedd, p'un a ddod i mewn, mae'n cael ei ddangos i unrhyw un.
57:37Rydw i'n ysgrifennu, heb unrhyw amgylchedd, p'un a ddod i mewn, mae'n cael ei ddangos i unrhyw un.
57:42Rydw i'n gweithio arno ac rydw i'n ei adnabod i chi.
57:52Rydych chi'n gwybod, mae'r holl bobl sy'n gorfod edrych ar bethau yn gorfod edrych arno.
57:55Iawn.
57:55Wel, nid wyf yn mynd i ddangos hynny i unrhyw un, os nad ydych chi'n dweud hynny i mi hefyd.
57:58Mae'n iawn.
57:58Rydych chi'n dweud mai rwy'n gweithio ar rhywbeth yn fyw.
58:01Wel, nid ydyn nhw'n mynd i mewn yma.
58:03Mae'r drws i mi wedi'i gosod.
58:04Wel, nid ydych chi'n gwybod.
58:05Rydych chi'n gwybod.
58:06Ie.
58:06Rydych chi'n dweud, wel, maen nhw eisiau copi ac ati ac ati ac ati.
58:09Nid ydyn nhw'n rhaid
58:22Ie.
58:22Mr. Prif Weinidog, maen nhw'n dweud i mi fod Prif Weinidog Connoly yn y siarad.
58:25Roeddwn i eisiau gwybod a allai ei galw yn ôl tua 10 munud.
58:27Neu, a ydych chi eisiau i mi aros gyda hynny?
58:31Rwy'n dweud i chi, byddaf yn mynd, ond dwi'n ei ddweud i'w ddweud nad yw'n bryd.
58:35A byddaf yn ei alw mewn awr, felly, yn iawn.
58:37Nid ydych chi eisiau ei aros arno?
58:39Nid, nid ydych chi eisiau ei aros arno.
58:41Ie.
58:41Oherwydd mae'n rhaid i mi fynd ymlaen i wneud rhywbeth.
58:44Ie, iawn, sr. Sori.
58:45By
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59:23Roeddwn i'n meddwl ein bod wedi cael cyfarfod gwych yn ystod ystod y diwrnod diwethaf yn y Clwb Uned Cymru.
59:30Ie, mae hynny'n hynod anhygoel.
59:31Ac roedd ganddyn nhw tua 100, 105...
59:35o'r bobl uchaf yno.
59:38Ie, dyna'r moers a'r shakers, mae hynny'n iawn.
59:41Ie, nid oes cwestiwn amdanyn nhw, roedden nhw i gyd yno.
59:43Mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr, mae hynny'n fawr,
1:00:05yn dda iawn, o leiaf yn y cyfrifiadau cyhoeddus, ac wedyn fy sbeth i'r Asesiad Bancraint Cymreig, ac rwy'n meddwl eu bod ganddyn nhw, oh, diolch, rwy'n meddwl, 5,000-6,000 o bobl.
1:00:14Beth am yna?
1:00:15Ac felly mae popeth wedi mynd yn dda iawn.
1:00:17Gwych, gwych, gwych.
1:00:18Yn amlwg, dwi ddim yn meddwl y dylem ni fod yn ychydig yn bwysig am y farchnad ychydig yn dod ymlaen.
1:00:23Maen nhw'n chwarae eu llinell cyffredinol yma.
1:00:24Oh, dwi ddim yn meddwl am unrhyw beth.
1:00:26Ydych chi'n cytuno?
1:00:35Mae'r pethau gorau i gael eu cymryd ar y cyfnod cywir.
1:00:37Ie, mae hynny'n dda.
1:00:38Ydych chi'n cytuno, neu mae gennych chi unrhyw beth arall?
1:00:40Nid wyf yn ychwanegol amdano, yn fawr iawn.
1:00:42Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n... Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ymwneud â'r anawster.
1:00:46Nid yw'r peth fwyaf y gallwch chi ei wneud amdano, hyd yn oed pan fydd yn cael ei wneud.
1:00:49Ond hyd yn oed pan fydd hynny'n cael ei wneud.
1:00:50Ac unwaith yn ôl, mae'n mynd i lawr ychydig mwy.
1:00:52Ie.
1:00:52Oherwydd bod rhai o'u penderfyniadau, a chymryd
1:01:04ac mae'r Senat yn cymryd ein bil tax ac mae'n mynd, ac yna bydd pobl yn dechrau'i achub, ac mae'n dechrau symud ymlaen, oherwydd mae'n hollbwysig yma, John.
1:01:12Ond mae pawb yn dechrau ddweud ei fod yn symud ymlaen nawr.
1:01:14Mae'n cael ei glywed o bob lle.
1:01:15Ond mae'r seicoleg yw hynny, nid yw'n hynny, John?
1:01:17Mae'n iawn.
1:01:18Maen nhw'n ei ddweud.
1:01:19Dwi'n siarad â Dave yn ôl ystod diwrnod diwethaf.
1:01:20Ie.
1:01:20Ac mae'n ei ddweud, chi'n gwybod, mae'n ei ddweud eich bod yn teimlo, mae'n ei ddweud ei fod yno, ac rhaid
1:01:34Rwy'n mynd i ddweud wrthych un peth dwi eisiau siarad â chi'n gyflym, oherwydd mae'n cynnwys eich trwb Japannig.
1:01:40Rwy'n gweld Kishi y bore ddiwethaf.
1:01:43Iawn, sir.
1:01:45Nawr, rwy'n mynd i roi ychydig o argyfwngau ar y rhan o'r Voice of America yng Nghymru.
1:01:50Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n hawdd.
1:01:53Rwy'n credu maen nhw'n cael problem â hynny ac rydyn ni'n mynd i gyrru'r sefydliad hwnnw.
1:01:56Rydyn ni ddim amdanyn nhw.
1:01:58Mae angen rhywbeth ar y llyfn yng Nghymru.
1:02:02Wrth gwrs, maen nhw wedi adeiladu ei tro fel os byddai'n mynd i ddod yma a gweithio ar y enw Sir Charge.
1:02:07Rwy'n credu.
1:02:07Nawr, rwy'n credu y byddwn i'n ei ddweud i'w ddweud, y byddwch chi, pan fydd eich tro, yn barod i sgwrsio amdano, ac rwy'n hoffi gwybod beth mae ganddo mewn syniad.
1:02:18a gwrando arno, ond byddwch chi'n barod i drafod hynny.
1:02:20Ac yna, pan fyddwch chi'n dod yn ôl, byddwn ni'n barod i wneud penderfyniad neu rywbeth fel hynny.
1:02:25Nawr, mi fyddwn i'n fawr iawn, ond a oes gennych chi unrhyw syniadau eraill am sut i'w rheoli?
1:02:31Yn amlwg, byddwch chi'n mynd yn ôl i'w frwydr, Sato, a'r restr, ac yn dweud i'w hollbeth.
1:02:35Felly, sut ydych chi eisiau i ni chwarae'r Japanese?
1:02:38Dwi'n credu bod hynny'n iawn, ac yn dweud ein bod ni'n mynd i drafod hynny.
1:02:41Ac wrth gwrs,
1:02:45Rwy'n credu y byddwn ni'n mynd i fynd ymlaen a'i gosod ar textilion, ond mae'n ymddangos i mi nad ydyn ni'n gallu cydnabod hynny gyda chyfrifoldeb Cymru yn gyffredinol, hyd yn oed pan fydd gennym ni'r adeiladu hwnnw, hyd yn oed pan fydd gennym ni lawer mwy o bethau allan ohono nhw.
1:02:57Felly rydyn ni'n siwr nad ydym yn gallu rhoi'r cyfrifoldeb i nhw dim ond ar textilion.
1:03:02Gallwn roi'r cyfrifoldeb i nhw ar textilion.
1:03:04Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:05Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:06Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:07Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:08Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:09Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:10Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:11Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:12Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:12Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny.
1:03:21efallai y bydden nhw'n ymddiriedol i wneud rhywfaint o gyfrifoedd traws ac efallai y bydden nhw'n ymddiriedol i wneud rhywfaint o gyfrifoedd.
1:03:28Wel, byddaf yn ei ddweud, beth rydw i'n mynd i'w ddweud, yw eich bod chi'n fy arbenigwr a byddwch chi yno i drafod y pethau hyn, yn fawr iawn, nid y byddwch chi'n gwneud penderfyniad am eich bod chi yno, ond bydd eich sylwadau yn cael pwysig iawn pan fyddwch chi'n dod yn ôl.
1:03:39Byddwn i'n gwerthfawrogi eu bod yn siarad yn fawr iawn â chi.
1:03:42Dy
1:03:49Iawn, dyna sut rydw i'n rheoli hynny.
1:03:51Arthur.
1:03:51Dwi ddim yn cael Arthur.
1:03:53Mae'r mab o Betrus ddim yn chwarae golau ar hyn o bryd.
1:03:56Rydyn ni'n ei gadw ar is am bryd.
1:03:58Iawn.
1:03:58Dyna'r ystyriaeth rydych chi'n ei weld.
1:04:01Iawn, dwi ddim yn gweld.
1:04:01Ni fyddai'n amlwg ei fod yn cael ei gyflwyno i rywbeth fel hyn, ond dwi ddim yn gweld rheswm i fynd allan a'i gael.
1:04:04Dwi ddim yn gweld hynny.
1:04:05Dwi ddim yn gweld hynny.
1:04:06Mae'n rhaid i chi ei gyflawni pan fyddwn ni'n dod yn ôl.
1:04:08Pan fyddwn ni'n dod yn ôl, rydyn ni'n cael rhyw
1:04:16Roedd y papur y bore yma'n cyhoeddi'r stori y byddai'r cymdeithas cymdeithasol yr American Bar wedi'i droi i lawr.
1:04:21Dwi ddim yn gwybod beth amdanyn nhw, ond os yw hyn yn wir, rwy'n ymwybodol, ar ôl bod yn aelod o'r Cynulliad o'r Cynulliad am 20 mlynedd, a'n aelod o'r Cynulliad o'r Cyngor.
1:04:27Byddaf yn dweud pam bod hynny wedi digwydd.
1:04:28Mae'n dangos i chi pam nad ydym ni'n gallu, ac rydyn ni'n mynd i'w cymryd ymlaen.
1:04:33Rydw i'n mynd i wneud y cyhoeddiadau.
1:04:37Dwi ddim yn gallu ddweud wrthych chi beth maen nhw ar hyn o bryd, pan fyddwn ni'n cael rhywfaint o cliriaethau dros 11.30 neu 12, mae'n debyg y byddwn ni'n cael rhywbeth heno dros 5 neu 6 i chi.
1:04:44Ie, ac roedd John Mitchell yn sioc.
1:04:45Yn gyntaf, o ran y ddyn, fe ddywedodd ei fod hi'n y gorau, yn debyg, y ddyn gwerthfawr
1:05:01i fod yn awdur yr ydym ni wedi'i ddod o hyd, ond maen nhw wedi dod o hyd 11 i 1, nad oedd hi'n cael ei gwerthu i fod yn y Llywodraeth.
1:05:10Felly rydyn ni'n fawr iawn o'r llywodraeth.
1:05:11Ydych chi'n credu hynny?
1:05:12Ydych chi'n credu hynny?
1:05:13Ydych chi'n credu hynny?
1:05:14Ydych chi'n credu hynny?
1:05:15Ydych chi'n credu hynny?
1:05:16Ydych chi'n credu hynny?
1:05:22Mae hynny'n wych.
1:05:23Sut ydych chi'n hoffi hynny?
1:05:24Mae hynny'n wych.
1:05:25Rydyn ni'n gadael iddyn nhw gael hynny.
1:05:26Ac wrth gwrs, rydych chi'n gwybod nad ydw i'n cymryd hynny ar unrhyw un.
1:05:28Dwi'n gwybod hynny.
1:05:30Dyna hynny.
1:05:31Nawr, o ran Friday, i ddangos wrthych chi beth mae'r rhai hyn yn ei ddweud, ers ei fod wedi'i argymell, ac mae'r rhai hyn yn dweud hynny, mae'r rhai hynny yn dweud hynny, ac mae'r rhai hynny yn dweud hynny, ac mae'r rhai hynny yn dweud hynny, ac mae'r rhai hyn
1:05:52ac maen nhw'n cyfarfod, wrth gwrs, yn New York City, sy'n asesol.
1:05:54Maen nhw'n ei droi i lawr oherwydd ei sylwadau ar hawliau cyhoeddus.
1:06:00Nid yw hynny'n anhygoel?
1:06:02Rwy'n deall, John.
1:06:03Nid oherwydd nad oedd hi'n cael ei gyflawni i fod yn gyfrifol.
1:06:06Nid oherwydd unrhyw beth arall, ond oherwydd defnyddio'r hawliau cyhoeddus.
1:06:09Nawr, er mwyn poeni, maen nhw'n cymryd moron fel Thurgood Marshall a'i roi arno.
1:06:15Maen nhw'n cymryd Arthur Goldberg, sy'n hollbwysig ar wahanol y llawr, y llawr llawr, a'i roi arno.
1:06:19Ond yma mae llawrion wedi penderfynu, oherwydd mae'n cymryd defnydd, sy'n
1:06:26Mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw ddweud hynny.
1:06:27Mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw ddweud hynny.
1:06:28Mae'n rhaid iddynt ddweud hynny.
1:06:48Ond nid yw hynny'n rhywbeth?
1:06:49Mae'n wir.
1:06:49Mae hynny'n ddiddorol iawn.
1:06:50Rydyn ni'n mynd i gael hynny o gwmpas hefyd.
1:06:52Mae'r EBA wedi llwyddo ei hun gyda hyn, dwi'n dweud wrthych chi.
1:06:55Dwi'n credu.
1:06:55Wel, mae'n ymddangos i mi, ar y ddau hyn, y byddwch chi wedi cael nhw mewn gwirionedd yn anodd iawn.
1:06:59Mae'n ymddangos i mi, ar y ddau hyn, y byddwch chi wedi cael nhw mewn gwirionedd yn anodd iawn.
1:07:03Mae'n ymddangos i mi, ar y ddau hyn, y byddwch chi wedi cael nhw mewn gwirionedd yn anodd
1:07:16Ond beth bynnag, mae popeth yn iawn a gwelwch chi'n dda ac yn barod ar gyfer eich trwb.
1:07:19Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:20Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:21Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:23Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:24Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:25Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:27Ydyn ni'n eich gweld chi'n ddiwedd.
1:07:36Diolch yn fawr iawn.
1:07:59Rydw i'n meddwl y byddai'n bwysig iawn yn ei siarad cyn y clwb bwysig, ond rydych chi'n gwybod, mae hynny bob amser yn digwydd, rydych chi'n cael y canlyniadau i'r swyddfa a'u cael eu cyflwyno cyn llawer o bobl bwysig ac maen nhw'n meddwl eu bod yn rhaid i'w gwneud adnoddau, a byddai hynny'n bwysig.
1:08:11Felly rwy'n meddwl y byddwch chi'n mynd i'w cymryd.
1:08:14Rydyn ni'n mynd i'w cymryd.
1:08:15Ni'n ymateb i hynny.
1:08:16Rydyn ni'n mynd i'w cymryd a'i hwylio.
1:08:22Iawn, sir.
1:08:31Helo.
1:08:32Sut ydych chi'n dod ar hynny?
1:08:33Roeddwn i ar fy nôl ac fe wnaethon nhw alw i'n ôl.
1:08:35Roedden ni'n parhau oherwydd doeddwn i ddim eisiau gadael ymlaen.
1:08:37Mae wedi cael ei wneud am amser hir.
1:08:39Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:40Iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:41Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:42Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:43Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:43Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:44Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:45Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:45Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:46Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:51Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:52Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:52Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:56Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:57Iawn, iawn, iawn.
1:08:57I
1:09:07Mawr.
1:09:08Dick Mawr.
1:09:09Dick Mawr.
1:09:09Ie.
1:09:09Yn sicr.
1:09:10Ie.
1:09:10Mr. Mawrth yno.
1:09:14Ie.
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1:09:37Ydych chi'n gallu dod ymlaen nawr a byddaf i chi edrych ar y copi diwethaf.
1:09:47Byddaf yno.
1:09:47Sit down.
1:09:48Ies, Pius.
1:09:48Ydych chi wedi cael Ms. Woods i'r EOB?
1:09:49Ies, Mr. President.
1:10:06Rydw i'n ddweud diolch.
1:10:07Rydw i'n dweud diolch.
1:10:10Rydw i'n dweud diolch.
1:10:45Helo.
1:10:45Helo, beth yw'r llawr ar ben 4, y set diwethaf?
1:10:46Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi enghraifft o'r... Gadewch i mi roi engh
1:11:14Ydw.
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1:11:43Mae'n iawn.
1:11:44Wel, byddwn ni'n gwneud y llyfr hwnnw arall.
1:11:45Nid, nid, nid, nid yw'n gwneud hynny arall i mi oherwydd dydw i ddim angen hynny.
1:11:48O, a fyddwch chi'n mynd i roi'r llyfr hwnnw i Ron?
1:11:51O, yn siŵr.
1:11:52Mae'n rhaid iddo gael hynny ar gyfer gadael ar ôl i mi ddiwedd.
1:11:55O. Iawn.
1:11:56Oherwydd bydd yn rhaid i ni roi'r llyfr hwnnw arall i'w roi'r llyfr hwnnw yn ei stil.
1:12:00Byddwn ni'n gwneud hynny.
1:12:00Beth?
1:12:02Byddwn ni'n newid hynny ar ei llyfr hwnnw.
1:12:04Wel, gofynnwch id
1:12:13a'i gael.
1:12:13Ie, ac mae'n dweud yw, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'
1:12:44a 23 September, Harlan.
1:12:45Ie.
1:12:45Iawn.
1:12:4723 September, 17 September.
1:12:49Beth yw'r dydd?
1:12:51Y dydd?
1:12:53Y dydd o'r wythnos?
1:12:55Nid, y dydd o'r mis.
1:12:56Heddiw?
1:12:5721 October.
1:12:5923 September.
1:13:00Yn September, beth oedd un?
1:13:0223 a'r 17.
1:13:03Ie, os gwelwch chi.
1:13:09Coulson, os gwelwch chi.
1:13:11Ie, Prif Weinidog.
1:13:15Helo.
1:13:16Ie, sir, Prif Weinidog.
1:13:17Wel, beth newydd ar y ffwrdd gweddill heddiw?
1:13:19Wel, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl heddiw.
1:13:22Ie, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl ei fod yn dda.
1:13:25Ie, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl ei fod yn dda.
1:13:28Ie, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl ei fod yn dda.
1:13:31Ie, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl ei fod yn dda.
1:13:33Ie, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl ei fod yn dda.
1:13:36Ie, mae'r holl bobl yng Nghymru yn meddwl ei fod yn dda.
1:13:38Ie, mae'r holl bobl y
1:13:45Mae'n dda iawn.
1:13:46Mae'n dda iawn.
1:14:02Rwy'n meddwl y byddem ni'n gallu adeiladu hwnnw'n dda.
1:14:04Mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n dda, mae'n
1:14:25nid pan fyddwch chi'n ystyried ei fod yn gwasanaeth cyfnodol, cyfnodol a chyfnodol.
1:14:29Rwy'n credu y byddai'n cael ei dderbyn yn dda iawn, Brif Weinidog, oherwydd roedd 4.1% yn awgwrth.
1:14:33Yn awgwrth?
1:14:33Iawn.
1:14:33Ac yn ddawr a'r ddawr, roedd 6.5% a 5.5% yn 1%.
1:14:35Felly rwy'n credu...
1:14:43Mae'r farchnad ariannol yn parhau?
1:14:45Na, mae'n parhau'n dda heddiw.
1:14:48Mae'r bobl hynny'n dda.
1:14:50Mae'n ffordd y byddan nhw'n mynd ymlaen.
1:14:52Rwy'n gwybod nad yw hynny'n golygu rhywbeth.
1:14:55Wel, nid yw hynny.
1:14:56Nid rhywbeth.
1:14:57Mae'r problem yn un syml mewn gwirionedd.
1:14:59Mae gennych chi ddwy beth sydd wedi digwydd yno ystod ystod diwethaf.
1:15:02Roeddwn i wedi treulio llawer o amser ar y ffôn y nos diwethaf.
1:15:04Wnaethon nhw ddim meddwl nad yw'r rhaglen cyntaf wedi llwyddo'n gyflym iawn?
1:15:08Na, na, nid oedd hynny
1:15:12ac mae'r FFED yn casglu'r sgrws, sef maen nhw.
1:15:14Ie.
1:15:15A chyflawniadau o arian cymdeithasol... O, rwyf wedi clywed am hynny.
1:15:19Mae hi'n anhygoel.
1:15:20Pam mae'r cyflawniadau yn mynd?
1:15:21Beth yw'r rheswm ar hynny?
1:15:22Wel, nid yw'r rhain.
1:15:23Dwi wedi siarad â John Hare, sydd yn fy marn i... A sut yw hynny?
1:15:26Sut mae'r stori'n mynd allan?
1:15:27Nid yw hynny.
1:15:28Mae cyflawniadau cymdeithasol yw'r rhain, ond nid yw'r gwasanaethau cymdeithasol wedi parhau yn ystod y flwyddyn.
1:15:33Nid oedd ganddyn nhw unrhyw f
1:15:37Mae'n anodd.
1:15:38Mae'n anodd.
1:15:39Mae'n anodd.
1:15:39Mae'n anodd.
1:15:40Mae'n anodd.
1:15:40Mae'n anodd.
1:15:41Mae'n anodd.
1:16:06Rydw i'n cofio bod hyn wedi digwydd yn ôl.
1:16:08Beth yw Flanagan yn ei wneud?
1:16:09Mae'n siarad â'r Arthur neu unrhyw un yn siarad â... Rydw i wedi siarad â Schultz amdano hwn.
1:16:13Beth mae'n ei ddweud?
1:16:13Mae Schultz yn dweud bod rhaid i ni dynnu ar Arthur oherwydd mae'n... mae George yn hollbwysig iawn bod Arthur yn... yn tynnu'r sgwrsion'n llawer yn anodd.
1:16:22Mae'n dweud, gyda'r hyn rydych chi wedi'i wneud nawr gyda phosib un a phosib ddwy, y byddwch chi... mae Schultz'r theoriaeth yw, gyda'r hyn rydych chi wedi'i wneud, mae Arthur
1:16:33Mae hynny'n iawn, ond rhaid i ni ddim ychwanegu'r economi yn y prynhawn.
1:16:38Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n rhaid i'w drafod ac rwy'n credu y bydd George yn dweud hynny.
1:16:44Beth, mae gen i un neu ddwy cyfarfodydd i'r bwrdd hwnnw?
1:16:48Dwy.
1:16:48Dwy nawr, y tu allan?
1:16:49Dwi'n credu bod un ar hyn o bryd nawr, Brif Weinidog, ac yna un arall yn dechrau'r gyfnod cyntaf.
1:17:00Ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth y gallech chi... Wel, rydyn ni'n mynd i ysgrifennu hwnnw.
1:17:02Mae ganddyn nhw'n ganddynion ei hun, ond, dros duw, rydyn ni'n mynd i gael... Wel, efallai... Mae'n rhaid i ni gael rhywfaint o bobl sy'n mynd i fod mwy ar ein ochr.
1:17:12Wel, mae ganddyn nhw ei hun, fel rydych chi a fi wedi siarad, mae ganddyn nhw ei hun i ffwrdd.
1:17:18Mae eisiau bod yn cofnod fel Prif Weinidog y FFED sy'n cymryd cyflenwad.
1:17:22Wel, mae'n wych os nad yw'n rhoi'r sgwrsau'n dda iawn
1:17:26nid yw'n dechrau codi i mewn i ddim ymddygiad, sef yr hyn y byddwn i'n ymwneud â hynny.
1:17:34Ond dyna'r hyn sy'n digwydd ar y stryd.
1:17:35Roeddwn i wedi cael hynny ystod diwethaf o arian sylfaenol.
1:17:38O arian sylfaenol o 8 o bobl gwahanol ac yna fe wnes i edrych eto ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod ystod
1:17:50Mae gen i ychydig o bobl i siarad â hwnnw.
1:17:51Mae Connoly yn anffodus, mae'n allan o'r dref, felly... Rwy'n credu bod Connoly yn ôl i'r wythnos nesaf, ac efallai y bydd hi'n gallu gwneud rhywbeth dda gyda hwnnw.
1:17:57Mae'n gallu gwneud rhywbeth dda gyda hwnnw.
1:17:59Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:17:59Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:00Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:01Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:02Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:03Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:04Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:06Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:07Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud.
1:18:08Mae Arthur wedi cael ei wneud
1:18:15chi'n gwybod, a diolch yn fawr iddo, rydw i nawr ddim yn chwarae'r gêm.
1:18:18Rydw i ddim wedi, Mr. Prifysgol, ers 15 Awst wedi gallu ei wneud, ac wrth gwrs, dydw i ddim yn ymwneud â hynny oherwydd roedd hi'n cael ei ddweud rhywbeth.
1:18:24Nid yw'n cael ei ddweud rhywbeth ac rydw i wedi cael Sapphire i siarad â hwnnw bob wythnos.
1:18:27Dweud i Sapphire bod pawb yn y stryd wedi'u cymryd i fynd arno.
1:18:30Sapphire, chi'n gwybod, maen nhw... Bill yw yno, ac rwy'n disgwyl ei fod yn dod o hyd i hyn oherwydd roedd hi'n
1:18:40Felly byddaf yn cofio ar Arthur am y ffaith bod Arthur yn edrych yn ddrwg yn y stryd.
1:18:45Mae Arthur yn hoffi ffufio ac yn meddwl ei fod yn edrych yn dda.
1:18:49Mae hynny'n dda.
1:18:49Bydd hynny'n mynd i lawr.
1:18:50Bydd hynny'n mynd i lawr.
1:18:52Yn gwirionedd, mae'r lleihau o'r cyllideb, dwi'n meddwl, o ran beth sy'n digwydd, yn debyg mwy na'i effaith seicoleg, oherwydd bydd hynny'n mynd i fod yn ymwneud â'r busnes.
1:19:01Byddant yn mynd i lawr o'r dim.
1:19:03Dwi'n meddwl, wrth i'w gweld,
1:19:10Rydyn ni wedi cael ein panelau a'n comisiynnau yn mynd ac maen nhw'n gallu byw gyda ni.
1:19:14Iawn, mae George yn credu bod y cyfnod diwethaf wedi'i allu lleihau yn fawr oherwydd y cyflog o arian.
1:19:17Dydw i ddim yn gwybod, dydw i ddim yn gwybod.
1:19:19Efallai y byddai'n anghywir, efallai am rhesymau eraill.
1:19:21Dwi'n gofyn, pwy sy'n gwybod hynny?
1:19:23Wel, mae'n credu bod hynny wedi'i allu lleihau'r cyfnod diwethaf oddi wrth ogystal â'r cyfnod diwethaf.
1:19:28Ie.
1:19:28Ar y llaw arall, nid yw'r cyfnod wedi'i allu lle
1:19:39Mae hynny'n 16.
1:19:40Ac fe ddododd at 16.
1:19:41Ac rydych chi'n gwybod, pan fyddant wedi'i addasu 3 mwy o amser, byddai'n 18 neu 19.
1:19:43O ie, mae'r bastrods bob amser yn rhoi'r ffigur low.
1:19:45I bob amser.
1:19:45Ac mae'n mynd yn ôl yn ôl.
1:19:51Yn amlwg, yr ironiad o hynny, Brif Weinidog, yw eu bod nhw wedi rhoi'r ffigur llaw nawr ac maen nhw'n ei gyfrifo gyda'r cyfnod wedi'i gyflawni wedi'i gyflawni yn y cyfnod diwethaf, sy'n cynyddu 4 miliwn o'r hyn a oedd yn cael ei gyhoeddi yn ddiweddar.
1:20:01Ie, roedd 18 i ddechrau gyda 22.
1:20:02Ie, felly 16 yn hytrach na 18, na fyddai'n edrych yn ddiweddar, ond 16 yn hytrach na 22.
1:20:05Ie.
1:20:05Nid yw unrhyw un yn stopio i ddod â'r ffigur.
1:20:08Ie, mae'n iawn, mae'n iawn.
1:20:10Nid yw'n
1:20:20roedden nhw'n bwysig iawn mewn brifysgolion.
1:20:22Yn ogystal â'r ffordd hwn, mae pawb yn disgwyl y flwyddyn da nes y flwyddyn nes y flwyddyn.
1:20:26Beth yw'r risg?
1:20:26A all unrhyw un siarad â nhw?
1:20:28Mae wedi chwarae'n fawr iawn.
1:20:28Mae'n egotist.
1:20:29Rwy'n gwybod ei fod yn ei gwybod oddi wrth fynd yn ôl.
1:20:32Wel, rwy'n meddwl ei fod yn... Yn ystod wythnos cyhoeddus, ond mae'n bwysig iawn.
1:20:36Mae'n bwysig iawn.
1:20:36Nid yw'n cael ei wneud yn seriol, ond mae'n cael cyhoeddus.
1:20:39Yn wahanol, mae'r pwysigrwydd sylfaen
1:20:47yng Nghymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru, trwy'r Cymru,
1:21:16cyfnod cyhoeddus yn y Cyngras, ac roeddwn i'n Lywodraeth wedi cael fynd yma.
1:21:19Roedd yn dweud, mae'r sefyllfa hwn wedi newid.
1:21:21Roedd yn dweud, byddai Nixon yn ei gyrru heddiw yn erbyn unrhyw un.
1:21:24Roedd hynny'n iawn.
1:21:25Roedd yn dweud, rydych chi'n gorfod cofio ein bod ni'n gweithredu'n uchel iawn yn y wlad, mae'n 9.5%.
1:21:28Roedd yn dweud, os nad oedd hi ar gyfer hynny, byddwch chi'n... Wel, roedd yn dweud, rydych chi'n mynd yn ystod hynny.
1:21:34Ac roedd yn dweud, mae'r bobl mewn Connecticut wedi ymateb yn fawr i'r
1:21:44Rwy'n cael ymddiriedaeth wahanol o'r Prifysgol ac mae pobl yn siarad â mi amdano'n wahanol.
1:21:48Maen nhw'n dweud, mae'n gwneud rhywbeth, mae'n cymryd cyfraniad, mae'n... mae'n... ar ddechrau.
1:21:51Mae'n dweud, mae'n... mae'n rhoi'r teimlad i bobl... mae'n dweud, y sgwrs ail yr oedd wedi'i roi ar ffes ddwy oherwydd roedd yn rhoi'r teimlad i bobl bod nhw'n gweithio gyda nhw, ein bod yn gweithio gyda'n gilydd i helpu.
1:22:00Ac mae'n dweud, nawr maen nhw'n cael y teimlad eu bod eisiau helpu'r Prif
1:22:13Roedd yn dweud bod y ffigurau hynny'n eithaf argyfwngol, ond doedd yn dweud nad yw hynny'n llawer.
1:22:17Roedd yn dweud, dwi'n meddwl y byddai'n gyrru'r staten heddiw tuag at unrhyw un ac mae'n gweithio'n dda.
1:22:24Mae yna un o'r rhwydwaith bwysig, un o'r rhwydwaith hyfforddiant.
1:22:28Hefyd, roedd Haldeman wedi dweud wrth i mi fod y rheswm nad yw'r rhwydwaith yn cyrraedd Harris yn cael eu canolbwyntio.
1:22:32Wel, ni allwn ni fod yn siŵr o hynny.
1:22:34Dyna'r peth mwyaf diwethaf rwyf wedi clywed amdanyn nhw.
1:22:37Wel, rydych chi'n gwybod... Roedd nhw'n cael eu canolbwyntio amdanyn nhw wrth gwrs.
1:22:40Y peth ddiddorol am hynny yw nad ydyn nhw wedi'u rhedeg arnyn nhw nawr am... Ychydig mis.
1:22:47...pwyntiau o'u plwll diwet
1:22:51Rydw i wedi siarad â Lou.
1:22:53Mae ganddo gontract ymgysylltiedig gyda'i.
1:22:55Mae'n ysgrifennu'n wych am hynny.
1:22:56O, mae'n ysgrifennu, ond rydych chi'n sylweddoli bod hyn yn bwysig iawn.
1:22:59Dyma'r un sy'n cael ei gyrru ar draws y wlad ac beth mae'n ei ddweud?
1:23:02Wel, mae'n dweud ei fod yn ysgrifennu'r hyn rydyn ni'n ysgrifennu, ond nid yw'n cael ei ysgrifennu.
1:23:09Roedd yn mynd yn ôl ac yn edrych ar ysgrifennu'r colwm neu'r polw mewn nain o flynyddoedd sydd wedi cael unrhyw beth negydd
1:23:19dydyn nhw ddim eisiau cyflawni fy mhrofiad yn unig rydw i'n cwrdd â'r Prif Weinidog.
1:23:24Ac fe wnaethon nhw dweud, os yw hynny'n y ffordd y maen nhw'n ei wneud, rydw i'n dweud, rydyn ni'n mynd i'r star.
1:23:28Roeddwn i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw
1:23:46I gael hwnnw i ddod iddyn nhw.
1:23:47Nid yw'n ymwneud â gwneud hynny.
1:23:48Mae'n rhaid i hwnnw gwneud hynny.
1:23:49Nid, mae'n iawn.
1:23:49Ond mae gennym ni ychydig o awgrymiadau hefyd.
1:23:51Mae gennym ni rhai gweithredu gwell ar hyn o bryd mae'n ymwneud â hwnnw.
1:23:54Yn ogystal â'r ffaith ei bod wedi cael ei gymryd i'r cyfarfod hwnnw.
1:23:57Nid wyf yn meddwl y byddwn ni'n gorfod hynny ar hyn o bryd, ond byddwn i'n hoffi... A fydd Gallop yn dod i ffwrdd heno?
1:24:03Dyna'r cynllun, ie.
1:24:03Nid ydym yn gwy
1:24:13Nid, dydw i ddim wedi gofyn i Rumsfeld.
1:24:15Wel, mae'n mynd i ddweud wrthym nad ydyn nhw wedi'i ddweud iddo fod yn mynd i'n ymwneud â ni.
1:24:18Byddai'n rhaid iddynt, os ydyn nhw'n ymwneud â'r dydd, byddai'n rhaid iddynt fod yn... Wel, maen nhw efallai nad ydyn nhw'n mynd i'r dydd.
1:24:25Maen nhw efallai... Rwy'n cael teimlad sylweddol o hyd i'r holl siarad yma am brwydr, ei bod nhw'n barod i'r Kennedy.
1:24:31Wel, rwyf wedi cael y teimlad hwnnw am Gallop am 8 neu 9 mis.
1:24:38Rwyf wedi siarad â Harrison.
1:24:40Mae'n meddwl ei bod nhw'n cwmni polsterau.
1:24:42Mae'n dweud nad ydyn nhw'n gofyn cwestiynau mewn gwirionedd.
1:24:45Mae'n meddwl eu bod wedi mynd ychydig ychydig mewn ffwrdd.
1:24:48Mae'n dweud bod George Gallop a'i blant yn mynd i'r Nassau Inn a ffwrdd eu bwyd a'u cwestiynau.
1:24:53Mae'n meddwl maen nhw wedi dod yn un o'r cwmni polsterau.
1:24:55Rwyf wedi meddwl eu bod nhw'n
1:25:07wedi effeithio arnyn nhw dros y pethau.
1:25:08Ie, ond roedden nhw wedi ddweud wrth Rumsfeld, fel maen nhw wedi dweud, bod yna gynyrchiad dramadig o gefnogaeth ar gyfer y Prif Weinidog.
1:25:17Felly, ar eu cychwyn cyntaf, nid ydyn nhw wedi clywed unrhyw ddweud wrthyn nhw ers hynny.
1:25:21Wel, maen nhw... Maen nhw efallai wedi... maen nhw efallai wedi llwyddo'r pethau.
1:25:24O, maen nhw'n mynd â'r pethau.
1:25:25Maen nhw'n mynd â'r pethau.
1:25:26Maen nhw'n mynd â'r pethau.
1:25:27Maen nhw'n mynd â'r pethau.
1:25:27Maen nhw'n my
1:25:34Haris, Becker, Sinlinger, unrhyw le rydych chi'n mynd, ac yn siarad â phobl, rydych chi'n gweld... Mae'n ymddangos bod rhywbeth yn digwydd.
1:25:41O, mae hynny'n rhyfeddol, rydych chi'n gorfod... Mae'r peth o'r Llywodraeth yn mynd i ffwrddio'r dynion ychydig.
1:25:45Wel, rydw i... Maen nhw'n gallu... maen nhw'n gallu eu troi i lawr, ond os ydyn nhw'n gwneud hynny... Yn leiaf, dydw i ddim yn dweud beth maen nhw'n ei wneud, ond byddaf yn dweud hynny, roedd pob un yn gyntaf yn ei glas yn ysg
1:26:02Wel, mae hynny'n cymryd gofynion llwyddiant.
1:26:03Rydych chi'n gwybod beth rydw i'n ei olygu?
1:26:04Beth ydych chi'n meddwl am hynny?
1:26:05Rwy'n meddwl bod hynny'n llwyddiant.
1:26:06Ac roedd un ohonyn nhw'n gyfarfodwr i ddyfyniad cyhoeddus.
1:26:09Lwyddiant.
1:26:10Felly, diolch yn fawr, ac mae'r ddau ohonyn nhw'n gyffredinol fel llwyddiant.
1:26:15Mae hynny'n swnio'n hyfryd iawn.
1:26:16Roedden ni'n gyntaf yn ei glas, rydych chi'n gwybod rhywbeth, beth yw'r llwyddiant?
1:26:21Roeddwn i'n gyntaf yn fy glas, roeddwn i'
1:26:25Jesus Christ, do you know what I mean?
1:26:26You've just got to be a real bearcat to be first.
1:26:28It takes some doing.
1:26:29In any class.
1:26:30That's right.
1:26:31That's exactly right.
1:26:32But these bastards are a bunch of snobs and so forth, and this is going to...
1:26:35The excellence thing is totally answered by this.
1:26:38I'm never going to get at that again.
1:26:40We went through all the editorials this afternoon, Mr. President, of all the major newspapers, and it's striking the number that have...
1:26:47wedi dweud bod yr hyn rydyn ni angen yw llwyddiant, yr hyn rydyn ni angen yw instynciau leol mwyaf.
1:26:53A yw hynny'n yr hyn maen nhw eisiau?
1:26:54Wel, mae'r siarad hwnnw'n gyflawni'r hyn rydyn ni'n ei wneud, ond rydyn ni wedi cael llist o'r rhain, ac rydyn ni'n mynd i... Ar y llaw arall, rydw i hefyd yn siarad am ffilosofaeth.
1:27:01Rydw i'n dweud ein bod ni hefyd angen rhywun sydd ganddo, fel rwy'n ei alw, ffilosofaeth cyfrifol, sy'n golygu bod ar y casau hynny sy'n cynnwys y cyflawn
1:27:17Mae'n bwysig i ddiogelu'r cymdeithas hefyd i ddiogelu'r defnyddwyr.
1:27:20Rwy'n cymryd hynny oherwydd dyna'r un peth y mae'r bobl yn edrych arno.
1:27:23Nid ydyn nhw'n rhoi rhywbeth am wych, rydych chi'n gwybod?
1:27:25Nid, nid ydyn nhw.
1:27:25Nid un peth.
1:27:26Nid, nid ydyn nhw.
1:27:27Dyma'r holl sgwrs ysgrifennol.
1:27:29Mae'r bobl yn bwysig am y ffilosofaeth ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n brofiad anhygoel yn 1968 ac rwy'n credu y byddai'n un y byddwch chi'n... Rwy'n mynd i'w ffwrddio eto.
1:27:35Mae
1:27:42Wel, y peth rwy'n ei hwylio amdano yw, rydyn ni'n mynd i alw'r holl adnoddau yma heno a... Ar y peth gwych.
1:27:47I ddweud y ffaith yma, roedd y ddau o'r ddynion hyn yn gyntaf yn eu clas.
1:27:51Roedd y ddau yn Phi Beta Kappa.
1:27:58Oh, that's great.
1:27:59Both were Phi Beta Kappa.
1:28:00Both were first in their class in law school.
1:28:02Not second, not third, but first.
1:28:04Excellent.
1:28:05And by God, that's awfully hard to beat, Chuck.
1:28:09Oh, I know well.
1:28:10I struggled.
1:28:10Well, we all did.
1:28:11What the hell?
1:28:12I mean, you're lucky to get...
1:28:14Dwi wedi gwneud pwyth yn fy glas.
1:28:16Roedd hynny'n gyfansodd yn gyffredinol iawn.
1:28:17Dwi'n meddwl bod hyn yn wych, Brif Weinidog.
1:28:19Mae hyn yn wych, Brif Weinidog.
1:28:20Yr un peth rwy'n eisteddol amdanyn nhw yw bod hyn yn codi'r gwmpas allan o lawr i mi, ac rydw i'n meddwl bod hynny'n ystod y peth diwethaf
1:28:33roedden nhw'n meddwl y byddwn ni'n gwneud hynny.
1:28:34Roedden ni'n gwneud hynny.
1:28:35Roedden nhw'n gwneud hynny.
1:28:36Roedden nhw'n gwneud hynny.
1:28:36Roedden nhw'n gwneud hynny.
1:28:59yn y ffordd o'r China a'r economaeth.
1:29:00O, maen nhw'n parhau.
1:29:02Mae Ziegler yn dweud eu bod nhw'n cymryd y llyfrau.
1:29:04Wel, dwi'n meddwl ei fod yn ddiddorol iawn.
1:29:05Maen nhw'n gallu dod o hyd i'r enwau.
1:29:07Ac maen nhw'n gallu dod o hyd i'r enwau.
1:29:08Wel, mae'r adnodd yn digwydd nawr am 6.30.
1:29:10Dwi ddim yn meddwl y maen nhw'n cael hynny o hyd.
1:29:14Wel, byddai... Maen nhw'n leihau'r adnodd.
1:29:15Dwi'n mynd i ddiadlu rhywun.
1:29:16Oherwydd rwyf wedi'i ddweud, dim ond 3 o bobl yn gwybod.
1:29:18Iawn, mae'n ffordd
1:29:30Yes, please.
1:29:30Ms. Woods, please.
1:29:32Yes, Mr. President.
1:29:35Yeah.
1:29:36How many words?
1:29:38August.
1:29:38We didn't count the words, did we?
1:29:40All right.
1:29:40Count them.
1:29:40Call me back.
1:29:41Okay.
1:29:41Yep.
1:29:42Ms. Woods.
1:29:47Yep.
1:29:47It's 1,694.
1:29:48Thank you.
1:29:48You're welcome.
1:31:52Rydw i eisiau ddweud wrth fy modd, pwy arall wedi'i alw?
1:31:55Wel, os oes unrhyw un arall wedi'i alw.
1:32:01Manolo.
1:32:01Manolo.
1:32:02Connoly wedi'i alw.
1:32:03A dywedodd ei fod wedi dod drwyddo'n llawer iawn y tu ôl yno ac, wyddoch chi, nad oedd hi'n gwybod'r nifer o newyddion hynny, ond maen nhw'n swnio'n dda iawn, roedd e'n meddwl bod eich cyflwyniad, popeth, yn gwych.
1:32:15Iawn.
1:32:16Ac roedd Trisha'n meddwl ei fod yn hyfryd ac roedd hi'n rhywbeth anhygoel i ni.
1:32:21Roedd Hodgson yn dweud ei bod yno yng Nghymru, ac felly oedd Rodgers, ac rydw i ddim yn gwybod pwy arall.
1:32:28Roedd Hodgson yn dweud ei bod yn eistedd ynghylch Meany, pan oeddent yn gwrando, ac roedd Meany'n ymwneud â phawb arall am beth fyddai'r nomineiddio, ac mae'n hapus iawn.
1:32:37Un, oherwydd roedd e'n meddwl y byddai'n ffryddi'n mynd i'w gael, ac roedd e'n perthynas ag ef.
1:32:42Ddwy, roedd e'n falch nad oedd yn ddyn.
1:32:44A tri, roedd yn dweud bod Renquist, roedd e'n dweud bod unrhyw un sy'n gweithio gyda Jackson yn rhaid i fod
1:32:52Yna roedd e'n gobeithio y gallech chi wneud cwrs i fi rywfaint o amser, oherwydd mae'n debyg eu bod wedi cael eu cymryd i'r Prys Bwyd yn gyflym ac yn cyfarfod i'r diwrnod diwethaf ac mae'n anodd eu bod wedi gofyn iddyn nhw am fwy o nodiad neu rhywbeth.
1:33:07Ond dwi ddim yn meddwl y gallech chi... Dwi ddim yn gwneud hynny.
1:33:11Dwi ddim yn gwneud hynny.
1:33:13Ie, mae hynny'n fy mhrofiad hefyd.
1:33:15Ond...
1:33:16Ac mae Hodson yn dweud, chi eisiau siarad â nhw?
1:33:18Ie.
1:33:18Ac fe wnaeth y sôn Bill Rogers i Alex, ond nid oedd Alex yn gallu cymryd sôn i mi yn ôl.
1:33:22Roedd Sam yn meddwl y byddech chi'n gwneud rhywbeth iawn i'w gwblhau ac mae'n cael ychydig o sgwrs o'r ysgrifennwyr yn ceisio sicrhau a ydych chi'n gwybod a oedd ganddyn nhw wedi cael eu clirio neu a oedd gennych chi'r rhain bob amser, rydych chi'n gwybod.
1:33:34Roedd Romney'n meddwl ei fod yn wych.
1:33:37Roedd hi wedi llwyddo'ch cridig.
1:33:40y dyfodol yr ydych chi'n ei wneud am y rheswm ar gyfer eu cyflwyniadau, byddai'n cael ei ddefnyddio fel yn dda ac yn cael ei ddysgu gan unrhyw un sy'n ei ddysgu.
1:33:47Roedd yn meddwl... Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:33:50Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:33:52Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:33:54Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:33:55Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:33:57Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:33:58Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:34:00Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:34:02Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:34:03Roedd yn meddwl ei fod yn dda iawn.
1:34:05Roedd yn med
1:34:06a'r cefnogaeth a'r cefnogaeth y Llywodraeth fel sefydliad.
1:34:08Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd e'n meddwl ei fod yn... Roedd
1:34:40Roedd Roger Morton wedi gofyn i Alex, a dywedodd hynny'n gweithredu gwych, yn enwedig pam nad yw'n gallu llyfrau'r llywodraeth a'r dynion i'r llywodraeth.
1:34:47Felly roeddwn i'n meddwl bod y casgliadau'n gweithredu gwych ac yn gweithredu'n gwych.
1:34:53Felly roeddwn i'n meddwl bod y casgliadau'n gweithredu gwych.
1:35:07Iawn, cyrraedd.
1:35:08Iawn, felly dyna'r peth, oherwydd rydw i wedi bod ar y ffôn ers y diwedd hwn.
1:37:13Ac roedd Alex yn rhoi adnodd arall wrth ddweud bod Rodgers a Hodson a'r holl un ohonyn nhw yn chwarae gyda'r grŵp.
1:37:20Roedd y grŵp wedi plannu'r perfformiad a'r cyflawniad.
1:39:25Ond rwy'n gwybod yn dda iawn bod hwnna'n siarad da iawn.
1:39:27Roedd yn wych.
1:39:28Roedd yn wych.
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1:39:54Ro'n i'n dweud, ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud, Ro'n i'n dweud,
1:45:08Iawn.
1:45:08Prif Weinidog, mae Patricia yn clywed i chi.
1:45:13Iawn.
1:51:06Helo?
1:51:08Ie.
1:51:10Helo?
2:17:47Rhaid i chi ddweud wrth fy mod i'n ysgrifennu'r ffordd rwy'n ei ddweud.
2:17:55Mae'r ffordd rwy'n ei ddweud yn y ffordd rwy'n ei ddweud.
2:22:23Helo?
2:22:25Ie.
2:22:27Helo?
2:23:17Diolch am wylio'r fideo.
4:03:42This means we will have appointed, John, four good men.
4:03:45Everybody recognizes Berger's a good man, Blackmon's a good man, Powell, everybody will recognize, and Rehnquist, of course, spars the whole goddamn bunch.
4:03:53And he's on our side, isn't he?
4:03:58Thank God.
4:03:58Well, they, uh, the reception of it is just unbelievable.
4:04:07Uh, before I left the office, I talked to the reporters and they were flabbergasted.
4:04:20Yeah?
4:04:20Yeah, because the commentary was completely flabbergasted.
4:04:21After the speech?
4:04:22Yep.
4:04:22They were out of their minds, huh?
4:04:24Yeah, not just because of the bar behind them.
4:04:26Oh, what did Walt say?
4:04:26He must have about died.
4:04:27Well, he died a little bit about my letters, and he was very enthusiastic about these claims.
4:04:34Well, good to have him because he's impressed by these first snow clocks.
4:04:38I'm not a goddamn bit.
4:04:40I'm more interested in the man.
4:04:49That's right.
4:04:53I really build them up.
4:04:55You know, and I talk about respect for the law and whether you agree or not, obey the law and all that.
4:04:58And they ought to appreciate it, the bastards.
4:04:59They should.
4:04:59And you did that in a very, very mild manner.
4:05:00But you got across that point to the American public, which means more to them than all the rest of the Americans.
4:05:13Yeah.
4:05:14I think, too, that it was good to get across by law and order point.
4:05:17That got across, don't you think?
4:05:18Yeah.
4:05:21Yeah.
4:05:26Right.
4:05:29Right.
4:05:31Yeah.
4:05:43Well, we'll fight it through now.
4:05:44By God, I'm telling you now, we're not going to take a damn bit of crap from these people.
4:05:49They ought to put this through in a week.
4:05:53How's Eastland feel?
4:05:58Ruska, I saw tonight.
4:05:59He was there down at the White House.
4:06:00He said he was bored all the way.
4:06:08How'd Bob take it, okay?
4:06:16Be sure to emphasize to all of the southerners that Redcoats is a reactionary bastard.
4:06:23Which I hope to Christ he is.
4:06:27Right.
4:06:30Good.
4:06:31Good.
4:06:35Right.
4:06:39One thing that's really interesting, though, John, is in a pure press sense, it's like China in a lesser degree of magnitude than China and the Soviet and other things.
4:06:52The bastards, we completely took them by surprise.
4:06:54They didn't know what the hell was going to hit them.
4:06:57Huh?
4:06:57Didn't that amuse you?
4:06:58It did amuse the hell out of me.
4:07:00We kept it quiet.
4:07:01You know, Ron did a great job.
4:07:11That's right.
4:07:16Anyway, you tell Martha to calm down.
4:07:21Well, incidentally, we've got to have a woman, John.
4:07:24That's right.
4:07:32She understands it, doesn't she?
4:07:33She can't go in.
4:07:35Look, if she'd have gone in 11 to 1 against her, the Senate couldn't have approved her.
4:07:42I know you did.
4:07:42It must have been terrible.
4:07:45No, no.
4:07:45Friday would have understood, but I bet she was tough, wasn't she?
4:07:51But how did she feel?
4:07:52Did she take it all right, finally?
4:07:55She really understood.
4:07:5711 to 1?
4:07:57Goddamn, damn.
4:07:58Well, she understood her analysis of the question.
4:08:02right good it's come out all good all the way around okay john and congratulations bye give martha hell it's the other way around
4:08:57That's right.
4:08:59Yeah, because everyone that called, Clark McGregor called me, he thought it was just great, because he called for you.
4:09:06He wanted to tell you that your choices were superb, and he didn't know what to do the most about either your delivery or the choices, because they were both just excellent.
4:09:13And he thought your emphasis on the academic and professional aspects was great.
4:09:19Oh, he put that out.
4:09:21Yeah.
4:09:21Freeman Gosman called and left work with the operator, that it was an excellent choice.
4:09:27it surprised everyone that it was possibly your best delivered speech to date.
4:09:34Everyone remarked on it.
4:09:36It was damn well delivered, I believe.
4:09:39Paul Lewis, that's Paul.
4:09:40He's at the Madison Hotel.
4:09:44And he was just very thrilled.
4:09:46And he said he thought the delivery was really great and he thinks it's one of your finest hours.
4:09:51Very, very thrilled.
4:09:53They all love giving me my media points.
4:09:58Yeah.
4:09:59And Berger called, too.
4:10:00Berger called.
4:10:01Oh, yes.
4:10:02But I won't talk to him.
4:10:04No, no.
4:10:04Not tonight.
4:10:05He didn't ask.
4:10:06I mean, they all called.
4:10:07But he wouldn't.
4:10:08But I can't talk to him for other reasons.
4:10:10I know.
4:10:10You said you didn't want to.
4:10:12But he called.
4:10:13He said...
4:10:13He must feel good, though.
4:10:14What did he say?
4:10:16He said...
4:10:16He came right on.
4:10:17He says, I know the president will get a lot of calls, and I don't... You know, he doesn't need to bother taking mine off.
4:10:22I'm glad to talk with you.
4:10:23He said, I thought he handled this thing superbly tonight.
4:10:27I was particularly delighted that he treated the ABA properly by absolutely ignoring it.
4:10:35That's right.
4:10:37He said, I thought it was constructive, and I just can't imagine how it could have been done any better in any way.
4:10:45Of course, I praised him in the court.
4:10:46You ought to feel good.
4:10:47Well, he thought it... Well, everyone mentions that he said the thing...
4:10:52The key is that a lot of times people don't know, and I'm sure this is his problem too, he said, I think all of these distasteful things will fade away.
4:11:02And he said that he thinks that all of us listen too much to Around Here, listen too much to The Washington Post, and get weighted down.
4:11:09He says out in Iowa, they don't pay attention to The Washington Post.
4:11:11They get it straight from the president, and they saw these two, and he thinks these two nominations are just tops.
4:11:18They are.
4:11:18They're terrific.
4:11:19And he said he was pleased, you know, with having, he thinks it's a very good idea to have a younger man.
4:11:23And he said Paul is great.
4:11:26He said he's one of the half dozen men that he's known in his life that he rates in the top level.
4:11:32He said he'll be a great addition to the course.
4:11:35He is a man who, if we lived in what you would call an ideal world, he would have been on the court 15 years ago.
4:11:41That's right.
4:11:43I just tell him that he doesn't need to call me, but that I cannot imagine any way in which he could have delivered it better or that he's trying to fix it.
4:11:52Okay.
4:12:23Well, if she gets into things she doesn't know anything about, because like today I talked with, uh, with, uh, Gerald Rapp, and of course they can't, unless the Parks, National Parks of the Federal Government, they can't do anything about the property.
4:12:36Of course, the State Department turned that down anyway today.
4:12:39What's that?
4:12:40That property across from George Washington's home, across from Mount Vernon.
4:12:44Yeah, well, they did, they turned it down.
4:12:47For any foreign government.
4:12:48That's right.
4:15:52It's all mine.
4:15:53That's the one thing.
4:15:54I didn't have sapphire or rice.
4:15:56That's what the difference is.
4:15:58But this is all mine.
4:15:59And it was easier for you.
4:16:02You didn't have to look at it.
4:16:05I looked at a lot, but I wrote it all.
4:16:08And the thing is that it was yours.
4:16:10And it's easier to type.
4:16:11I can always tell.
4:16:14It just goes into your form.
4:16:17It opens up at what time it's written.
4:16:23What time is it here?
4:16:25No, what time is the first meeting in the morning?
4:16:31Maybe there's a schedule out here.
4:16:41Yeah, and Rogers and all those people called from the Blair House on the left to message us out.
4:16:47I think the ones I will call, I'll call Rogers.
4:16:50And I've already, naturally, had to talk to Mitchell.
4:16:52And I think I should talk to him.
4:16:53It's a big night for you.
4:16:55That's all I'm going to call him.
4:16:58Well, then none of the others asked you to call him.
4:17:00They left messages.
4:17:01The others you think should be called, besides those Rogers, because he's been on the call with Mr. Berger, I wish you could call Mitchell a hand call.
4:17:10You have calls.
4:17:11Well, I don't think you need to call any of the others.
4:17:13Romney called, Stanley called.
4:17:15No, no, there's no other cabinet people.
4:17:16No, I don't think so.
4:17:17Richardson, I don't really believe... Oh, they're doing it for routine reasons.
4:17:20They're just doing it because they have to.
4:17:22Well, except they were more enthusiastic, I must say.
4:17:25I was pleased with the... Well, I know, but I'm not going to call them.
4:17:28Oh, I don't think you should either.
4:17:29I don't think you should either.
4:17:31There are any senators or congressmen or anything else that I should...
4:17:34Well, maybe I suppose Clark has been here.
4:17:36He may have taken those calls.
4:17:37Why don't you call Chief Justice?
4:17:39Anybody he thinks I should call.
4:17:41Anybody should call back and let me know.
4:17:46Okay, call me back.
4:17:49Okay.
4:17:49Chief Justice, please.
4:17:56Thank you.
4:17:57Secretary Rogers, please.
4:17:58Thank you.
4:18:02Hello.
4:18:03Rose Woods wants to know where he's going.
4:18:06Yep.
4:18:06There he goes.
4:18:08Thank you.
4:18:09Hi, Rose.
4:18:09Hi.
4:18:10The park has started for home, but the fellow who answered his phone said the only one to think of offhand is that you might want to call Eastland, but he's in Mississippi.
4:18:19No, no, no.
4:18:19I don't need to call him.
4:18:21That's what I thought.
4:18:23Yeah.
4:18:23Okay.
4:18:24Fine.
4:18:24I think I'll scoot on home and tell him if there are any others I can take him there.
4:18:28I'll call all the others.
4:18:30I'm going to give Rogers a call.
4:18:34Yeah, well, I told the operator Rogers is over there, huh?
4:19:50Hello?
4:19:52Hello?
4:19:56Hello?
4:19:59Warren, I think we've given you a couple of good men.
4:20:01I was trying to build the court up a bit, as you noted.
4:20:12Yes.
4:20:14In the process, I built you up a little, too.
4:20:15You and Blackman, which you deserve.
4:20:16I thought the whole of it was just perfect.
4:20:18You know, out in Duke, Iowa, and out around the country, they haven't been following all the... No, no, no, the Washington Post and all that.
4:20:31And yet they've been getting some rumors.
4:20:32Now, you have spoken, and this settles it.
4:20:35And I can hear that.
4:20:42Incidentally, do you know Rehnquist Warren?
4:20:44I have met him in between, and then he argued to, I think, two stages of the armed force.
4:20:51I've been very well impressed with him.
4:20:53He's really first class.
4:20:54His mind is steel-trapped.
4:20:57You know, first in his class is Stanford, which proves nothing.
4:21:00I mean, I was third, so I didn't think that first meant so much.
4:21:04But nevertheless, he was top in his class.
4:21:06But more than that, the guy that, when I've seen him, and I've seen him in a number of things here at the White House,
4:21:12When it comes to constitutional question, he's cruel, objective, just the kind of a guy that, you know, young fellow that you need on that court when a tough thing's come up.
4:21:21And he's like a rock.
4:21:22He's tough and absolutely unstoppable.
4:21:25He isn't going to be moved on the Georgetown set.
4:21:29Of course, I don't need to tell you about Lou Powell.
4:21:35He's a superb man.
4:21:37And I decided to break the age thing, mainly because
4:21:41I thought the court could use just having a man of that eminence on the court.
4:21:45What do you think?
4:21:52Well, you remember, as you know, you called him last night at my suggestion.
4:21:56Because I had to really press it.
4:22:13Great, great.
4:22:14But I find it out to him that he has 20 years to go back to page 5, and that gave me a move of 21 years.
4:22:26But you think very highly of him, don't you?
4:22:29A great gentleman.
4:22:31Everybody says that.
4:22:34They're going to write, the only thing they can write up on him is what he said about Martin Luther King, but he was right about what he said about Martin Luther King.
4:22:44That's too bad, isn't it?
4:22:45No, for Christ's sakes.
4:22:46He should have represented the school board.
4:22:48That was his job.
4:23:05The main thing that I think is important, Warren, is that on the court now,
4:23:10I have appointed four people, and you, Blackman, and Powell, and Reckless, and I think all four of them are top-flight, decent, honorable, able men.
4:23:24That's very important.
4:23:26That's what the court needs, doesn't it?
4:23:27Or do you agree?
4:23:33I know.
4:23:39Right.
4:23:45You mean by what?
4:23:50By what?
4:23:51By everything.
4:23:53The whole manor.
4:23:53The manor, is she?
4:23:54The manor.
4:24:05How old is he?
4:24:08Oh yeah, what did he say?
4:24:08That's very important.
4:24:13Really?
4:24:14That's good.
4:24:18because of the style rather than the tone, I mean.
4:24:41Ha!
4:24:56Unlike him.
4:24:57Unlike him.
4:25:05With the law.
4:25:10But I think putting Powell
4:25:13I thought it was a good thing to put Paul Warren in the position of not just being a Virginian, a Southern, but a great American.
4:25:21Didn't you like that?
4:25:22It's true, too.
4:25:25Right.
4:25:29He made me the chairman of it.
4:25:32That's where I first got to know him.
4:25:41Well, here he is.
4:25:44He served as a fellow, and he launched a flight program.
4:25:50So they'll have a hard time.
4:25:51Warren, as you know, there is one thing that there is a problem, and we must not let it come.
4:26:10Incidentally, he said, you know, Mr. President, I called it yesterday afternoon before you called it.
4:26:18And I said, now, I want you to consider this.
4:26:21And he said, well, you know, his conscience is, I think you can find a better man, a younger man.
4:26:28He says, my eye says, well, what about charging?
4:26:30Well, I can only work 50 hours a week.
4:26:33well now for Christ's sakes who in that court works more than fifty hours a week you tell me huh fifty hours a week well you know he can do the job fifty hours a week don't be sure he doesn't raise that in the hearings he shouldn't because we don't want to appear that I appointed an old decrepit man basically
4:27:01Lou Powell, Lou Powell with half sight can do more than many people can do at full sight.
4:27:06You know it and I know it.
4:27:20Another thing, too, is this.
4:27:22You have a clerk, or I don't know, have you had one or two or more than one?
4:27:26Not two.
4:27:27One law clerk or two do you have now?
4:27:29Now we've done three.
4:27:31I've got a third for him.
4:27:32All right.
4:27:32Lou Powell has three clerks.
4:27:33He doesn't have to read all the fine print anymore, does he?
4:27:36No, no.
4:27:37What you want him on that is in those conferences.
4:27:39You sit around that table.
4:27:40He's invaluable, isn't he?
4:27:41I mentioned that to him last night.
4:27:42I said I'd like to spend a couple of days with him.
4:27:47He doesn't seem to have a couple of hours with him at that time.
4:27:54Absolutely.
4:27:54Absolutely.
4:27:57That will elude such a conscientious fellow.
4:28:02I know.
4:28:02Let me give you one little anecdote.
4:28:05Cleveland.
4:28:07Cleveland was, I think, one of the better presidents because of its conscientious ability.
4:28:13Cleveland, in his two terms, which, you know, were separated by a graffiti.
4:28:17Grover Cleveland vetoed more bills than anybody has, any president has done in decades.
4:28:25in two terms.
4:28:27Roosevelt, of course, vetoed more than anybody else because he was in four terms.
4:28:30But anyway, Cleveland had this problem.
4:28:35He insisted on reading every bill himself.
4:28:39He would rather do something...
4:28:42It was said about Cleveland that he would rather do something himself poorly than to have somebody else do it well.
4:28:51Now, Lewis Powell...
4:28:52He's got to recognize, he put him on this court not for his ability to read the fine print and do all the crap, but God damn it, we want him there.
4:29:00That's right.
4:29:02And you, you, you know, and Blackman and a couple others sit around with Lou Powell and discuss these things.
4:29:08That's it, you know.
4:29:09Take me.
4:29:10You know, I don't read all the fine print.
4:29:11I really don't.
4:29:13The reason that I've been able to bring off the China and the Soviet initiative is that I've delegated the business about what happens to Bolivian fishing rights to other people.
4:29:22See?
4:29:24Talk real cold turkey to him.
4:29:25I'm telling him that I said this, will you?
4:29:37He went on and on to me with it.
4:29:38I said, now, selling his doctrine, I said, look, I just know you can be the judge.
4:29:43You don't need to worry about that.
4:29:46But you tell him that I feel that he should
4:29:49Look, blind men have served in the court.
4:29:51There's a fellow by the name of Lloyd Nix.
4:29:52You've heard of him in California.
4:29:57But there was Lloyd Nix who gave me...
4:29:59He was blind.
4:30:01And I took my cram course to pass the California bar from him.
4:30:06Well, now, for Christ's sake, he didn't read a thing.
4:30:09So Lou Powell can do the job, and he must do it, and he's got to stay in that court ten years.
4:30:15That's right.
4:30:16Okay.
4:30:16Well, I'll certainly tell them I look nice in this fall.
4:30:19I just wonder where you are, but that's why I left it on Mr. Rosenberg.
4:30:22Well, I appreciate it.
4:30:27All right.
4:30:27Hello?
4:30:27Secretary Rogers, sir.
4:30:30Hello?
4:30:30There you are.
4:30:31Mr. President?
4:30:32Bill, I think we sort of surprised the boys today.
4:30:34Yeah, you knocked them off the team.
4:30:36They really...
4:30:37I said, we appointed two damn good men.
4:30:39Oh, yeah.
4:30:40You probably know Lou Powell.
4:30:41Lou Powell, of course, I know well.
4:30:43And I talked to John about him one way or just below, but I think that's fine.
4:30:47He's a good fellow.
4:30:48Well, he'll stay there for 10 years.
4:30:51And Rehnquist, of course, he's one of those great brains that comes along, well, for Christ's sakes, first in his class at Stanford and all the rest of us.
4:31:00And I've talked to him about constitutional problems.
4:31:02He's so far ahead of all the other people that I knew he had what it took.
4:31:04That's great.
4:31:05I thought the whole thing was just absolutely superb.
4:31:08I thought your delivery was great.
4:31:12Again, you're getting better.
4:31:13I thought that you had so much animation.
4:31:18Incidentally, I'm over here at the Blair House.
4:31:19Oh, you're still there?
4:31:20Oh, I see.
4:31:20And we've had a good meeting with all these top people.
4:31:25Would you, I think you might be wise,
4:31:28George Meany's here, and he's quite enthusiastic about these moves.
4:31:33And he was telling me that he didn't, he says, I don't really like to fight with the president.
4:31:36I said, I regret this has happened.
4:31:38And he said, I think it could have been avoided.
4:31:42And he was telling me how lousy he thought Kennedy was.
4:31:45Now he's talking about governors, no good.
4:31:48He thought the only one the Democrats had, I think, was Eddie Jackson.
4:31:51I wonder, how about you talking to him?
4:31:54Sure, is he there?
4:31:55Yeah, he's right there.
4:31:57Sure, ask him if you can talk to him.
4:32:07Good.
4:32:08You know, on this speech, as you probably would guess, I wrote it myself last night about 2 o'clock in the morning.
4:32:15The whole dance.
4:32:16It wasn't, I didn't, because I couldn't tell anybody.
4:32:19I couldn't get Sapphire Price there, so I did it all myself.
4:32:21It was great.
4:32:23It wasn't great, but it was mine.
4:32:24I thought from the standpoint of effectiveness and sincerity and directness as far as people, they would have understood it was an icon.
4:32:32I thought it was great.
4:32:34And I'm not just saying that because I think it was.
4:32:38And of course, after it was over, everybody here applauded.
4:32:42We all went to one room and watched.
4:32:43Everybody had a big round of applause.
4:32:57Well, there weren't any women.
4:32:58You know, we asked the ABA to say, well, if you don't want her, DM me.
4:33:03And Ed Walsh says that Lily is the best qualified because of her experience, but there's no woman who's qualified to be in the Supreme Court.
4:33:12That's what they told us.
4:33:14Well, as a matter of fact, what you've got to do with me now is to get some younger women.
4:33:20I told Mitchell Kirchhammer to take Sylvia Bacon and put her on the circuit court and vote her up.
4:33:28She's no good?
4:33:32I don't want her there.
4:33:35God damn it, I don't see any woman's worth in the dam.
4:33:38Maybe there must be one somewhere.
4:33:44That's enough.
4:33:44That's enough.
4:33:46Don't tell me anything.
4:33:50No, I'll hold on.
4:35:33Hello.
4:35:34President, how are you tonight?
4:35:35How are you?
4:35:36Well... My first reaction is good.
4:35:38I don't know too much about these fellas, but what I know so far is good.
4:35:46And they look all right.
4:35:48I mean, I've got a... Well, let me say... Everything Bill Rogers tells me about Powell is awfully good.
4:35:55Let me tell you about both of them.
4:35:57What about Rumsfeld?
4:35:58I don't know him too well, but he looks good too.
4:36:00Well, first of all, both of them, I've checked them both.
4:36:03And they're both, which I know you will approve, are very hard in law and order, which I think we all agree we've got to have.
4:36:09You can't have a society like that, Warren.
4:36:11You notice what I said, that by golly, we've got to strengthen the peace forces.
4:36:15And both of them are hard on that.
4:36:17On the labor thing, George, I mean, part of the problem that some of them have suggested before is that they had records, you know, and everything.
4:36:26I don't think Lou Powell, who has represented, of course, he's basically a corporation,
4:36:32But he's never been involved in labor things.
4:36:34And Rehnquist has no record whatever.
4:36:36I have no objection to a corporation lawyer.
4:36:39I mean, that's their business.
4:36:41I do object, of course, to a guy who goes out of his way to push people around, little people.
4:36:47That's right.
4:36:48And from all I can understand, these guys look good, Mr. President.
4:36:52Well...
4:36:53I want to take another look when I get... Well, you should.
4:36:56But I think from what I see, I think they both look good.
4:36:59Well, I can assure you that I had Mitchell check those things.
4:37:03I said, now look here, I don't want a guy that's got a record where he's sort of anti-labor.
4:37:09And neither one, Mitchell tells me, is.
4:37:12But you check it yourself.
4:37:13Yeah, I will check it.
4:37:15At this moment, they both look good, I want to be frank with you.
4:37:18But we'll make a check in the morning.
4:37:20Good.
4:37:21Frankly, I hope that we are in a position that we can say amen.
4:37:24Really, I do.
4:37:25It would be great if you could.
4:37:26Yeah.
4:37:26Really would.
4:37:27Yeah.
4:37:28Well, good to talk to you, George.
4:37:29Fine.
4:37:29Bye.
4:37:30Thank you.
4:37:31Mr. Post and Mr. Haldeman would like to speak to you today.
4:37:40Okay.
4:38:02Hello.
4:38:03Oh.
4:38:04Hello.
4:38:04Hi.
4:38:04It's Bob Alderman.
4:38:06Yeah.
4:38:07Uh, you want any reaction rundown?
4:38:09Okay.
4:38:09We've got, uh, I think you scored a super 10 strike on this one.
4:38:42We've gotten quite a little reaction stuff in, you know, because they've been working on picking up some quotes.
4:38:48It's clear that the work we've got to do is on Rehnquist, and I don't think that there isn't going to be any problem in doing it, because all the raw materials there, the problems... First in this class.
4:39:02Yeah.
4:39:03And on that basis, they're all for it, but the legal types, we've gotten a tremendous run of legal stuff, so, you know, we could get some raw quotes out.
4:39:12and they're all uh they just you know have orgasms over powell yeah but they ought to they've got to have orgasms over rent well because he's smarter than powell right that's what we've got to get going and we can't who's doing that what they say with uh lauren colson what what they're saying is that you know he appears to be highly qualified but i don't know him uh let's do that is and and there's it's unavoidable i mean it's just there's a lot of people now judge hainsworth though for instance says i know both of them well they're both splendid excellent choices
4:39:42and that kind of thing.
4:39:44But most of them say, like Bob Mazur says on Rehnquist, I don't know him.
4:39:51I appreciate his academic record.
4:39:55And Coburn Powell says, I don't know him, but his credentials seem excellent.
4:39:59He's a past president of the bar.
4:40:03And so we're just going to have to, and we're already starting on that, we're going to concentrate on getting some solid stuff.
4:40:10There's no negative on him at all.
4:40:12I find it pretty hard to take it.
4:40:16But the old timers, the tower, you know, the big power type people in the law business all know Powell, of course, and so they're ecstatic about him.
4:40:27And then they just don't know Rehnquist, so we've got to build that one up.
4:40:33Dean of Stanford Law School...
4:40:35He says he had a brilliant record at Stanford, should be outstanding.
4:40:38His work at Stanford was superb.
4:40:39He's highly regarded by the teachers in New England and so on and so on.
4:40:42He builds him up because he knew it.
4:40:45But we're going to work now and get people who do know him in the government and out and so on.
4:40:49All right.
4:40:50Did you get a rundown on George Meany from anybody?
4:40:52I talked to Meany.
4:40:53He was all right.
4:40:54Did you?
4:40:55No, he's all good.
4:40:57He says, well, he looks good.
4:40:58I've got to check him in the morning.
4:41:00Yeah.
4:41:00He's very all right.
4:41:01Well, he made the comment right after the TV that he said, the ABA's got egg on its face now.
4:41:05This is a great announcement, and I'd like to see the editorial writers rip up their editorial.
4:41:09Right.
4:41:11Get a kick out of that kind of stuff anyway.
4:41:14The press and editorial stuff looks good.
4:41:17The Phoenix Republican...
4:41:20Apparently, it must have really taken the commentators...
4:41:23Julie or Trish, both of the commentators, were just flabbergasted about that thing to say.
4:41:29They were.
4:41:29Completely.
4:41:30Because they'd all come on.
4:41:31We had a lot of fun watching the news because they all came on saying, you know, the president's going to appoint Marshall Bridey and I know that he might move in a different direction and appoint Arlen Adams or, you know, something like that.
4:41:47I mean, nobody mentioned either of these two names.
4:41:50Right.
4:41:50Even a possibility.
4:41:52So that's
4:41:53That held, but it shows you why we had to keep it quiet.
4:41:58Sure.
4:41:59Phoenix Republican Gazette Ed McDowell says, I'm right this minute putting together one of the most laudatory editorials I've ever written.
4:42:09I know Powell by reputation.
4:42:10It's an excellent choice.
4:42:11I know Rehnquist.
4:42:12He rates at the very top.
4:42:14There's no one who can accuse them of a failure to meet high standards of the Supreme Court.
4:42:18Rehnquist is one outstanding person.
4:42:20President Nixon deserves a great deal of credit.
4:42:23As Mr. Nixon said, he would try to restore the balance of the court.
4:42:26He's following through on that promise.
4:42:28You noticed the most important thing.
4:42:31I said the country was the law and other stuff.
4:42:35Yep.
4:42:35They got by.
4:42:36They sure did.
4:42:38And that came through old Kilpatrick.
4:42:40Kilpoman.
4:42:41Oh, yeah.
4:42:42And Lieutenant Brian Richmond says, I'm damn well pleased.
4:42:46We've been editorializing for the appointment of Louis Powell for many years.
4:42:51And, uh,
4:42:52The Orlando Sentinel guy says he really showed those bastards.
4:42:57Their credentials seem to be of the highest.
4:42:58It's about time the silly business of confirmation was stopped.
4:43:03San Diego Union, very masterfully done.
4:43:04I thought the Bar Association decoy was masterful.
4:43:07I can see a lot of them think that's what that was.
4:43:11I can see Senator Bayh and Kennedy with egg all over their faces.
4:43:13I must say I was very impressed with the nominations.
4:43:16And we'll give our editorial support.
4:43:19Palmer Hoyt, they're really good men, and I'll write that in white.
4:43:23Good.
4:43:24Brady Black, I have a hunch that what the President had to say about the background of the nominees and the need to adjust to the situation where we protect the innocent, prosecute the criminal will go over extremely well.
4:43:34I think it will carry a great deal of weight on the President's choices.
4:43:37I thought his reasoning in making the nominations will gain the public's support.
4:43:45Okay, good.
4:43:45But that's the general run.
4:43:48Johnny Oaks at the New York Times says, this is absolutely amazing.
4:43:51They sounded like good appointments to me.
4:43:53I don't understand why there was all the discussion of the other sex.
4:44:05Arthur Goldberg says, there are two men who seem qualified.
4:44:08He knows Powell, but has only met Rehnquist and doesn't know him very well.
4:44:10Does not agree with their general philosophy.
4:44:12Sees no problem in confirmations.
4:44:17That's good.
4:44:17You sure as hell don't want it.
4:44:19You don't want people that he would agree with.
4:44:25Reg Murphy at the Atlanta Constitution says, well, you fooled us again.
4:44:28This was the biggest surprise since China.
4:44:29They look like outstanding men to me.
4:44:34Gannett Papers, I thought the president did a hell of a good job of talking about his philosophy, and I think that those who would try to stir up difficulty for the confirmation of these two gentlemen are going to be caught short.
4:44:48Carl Debloom, he did a really good job of catching the opposition off base.
4:44:51A good illustration that he can pick the right man.
4:45:00James Wexler said, I'm going to write about it in the morning, and the only honest reaction is that I'm going to do some research.
4:45:04All right.
4:45:05All right.
4:45:10Erwin Cannon, though, says, I've already editorialized on the high quality of Lewis Powell.
4:45:14These two appointments are tremendous improvements over the names that have been bandied about.
4:45:24I think you're going to get some darn good reaction.
4:45:30Bob Bird made a good statement saying he would support your effort to restructure the court.
4:45:36Good.
4:45:41And the commentators were just completely thrown off.
4:45:43They didn't know what they were saying.
4:45:46Yeah.
4:45:46Severide said you'd finesse the whole situation.
4:45:50He did?
4:45:51Yeah.
4:45:51They all say there won't be any fight.
4:45:52There can't be.
4:45:54They're obviously qualified.
4:45:56No basis for a fight.
4:46:05Any reaction from the women?
4:46:08No.
4:46:14yep that will have to do but I you deserve credit for having given it the try and that's what we've got to make sure you get that was a good stroke quoting Lipman in there too stick it to him again but I think
4:46:40The presentation was awfully good.
4:46:41It's obviously easier for you to do your own speech.
4:46:50But I mean, it's easier for you to deliver one you've written.
4:46:59It was very good because you got your whole story over on the court, your attitude towards it.
4:47:05Not just the appointments, but the wrap-up thing on the respect for the court.
4:47:12It was a damn good chance to do more than just a .2 in.
4:47:18It's going to be hard for the center.
4:47:31It's really rough.
4:47:32They'll screw around some.
4:47:43That's right.
4:47:45Okay.
4:47:45Very good.
4:47:47Yes, sir?
4:47:50Wilson, please.
4:47:51Thank you, sir.
4:47:57Hello?
4:47:58Mr. Coulson's in route home.
4:48:03Should be there any minute.
4:48:04Live.
4:48:05Lovely.
4:48:05Yes, sir.
4:48:06Yes, sir?
4:48:11Yes, sir.
4:48:12Thank you.
4:48:16Hello?
4:48:17Fine, Mr. Ziegler's at the British Embassy.
4:48:19Shall I reach him there?
4:48:20No.
4:48:21All right.
4:48:25Spread the bridge.
4:48:28Hello?
4:48:28There you are.
4:48:31Thank you.
4:48:32Hello?
4:48:33Hello.
4:48:33Any other reports?
4:48:35No, I came on home because I thought I might as well.
4:48:40Because most people I told were, you know, had...
4:49:37frankly, I think there are a lot of women who are more qualified than a lot of men in some jobs.
4:49:43But if there are some really well-qualified women, they're darn few for the Supreme Court.
4:49:48They're not ready yet, but they will be by the time we get through it.
4:49:52They will be, and if you have a long enough time to watch somebody and see, you know, but it's a hard...
4:49:57It's like the blacks.
4:49:59You can't walk in and be president of the company right away.
4:50:05But
4:50:08No.
4:50:09People shouldn't be applying to something because of their sex or color.
4:50:15They don't do a good job.
4:50:17Because they know they got it because of it.
4:51:11Yep.
4:51:14Yep.
4:51:15Hello, everybody's kind of shook him up.
4:51:22Only people unhappy, people with a woman.
4:51:37Blame it on the bar.
4:51:38If we could have found one period, I think it would have been good, but I think the overriding consideration of the question is that they have two people who are so respected and professional that they just can't lay a glove on them on that issue.
4:51:55I think you should get two conversations from one side, and the other side, and talk to that person and see if you have a few good experiences.
4:52:06Oh, sure.
4:52:06Talk to them.
4:52:06All right.
4:52:07Oh boy, he'll be tougher than anybody else on that course.
4:52:09Well, there are already 40,000 feet in the way.
4:52:10So, we're just getting pretty high by the feet.
4:52:12No question, we're just gaining track.
4:52:21So, we're just getting pretty high by the feet.
4:52:25No question, we're just gaining track.
4:52:30So, we're just gaining track.
4:52:48yeah yeah
4:53:15It's hard to knock guys that are first in the class.
4:53:37They're trying to knock Rehnquist because they don't know him.
4:53:56For Christ's sake, how can you knock a guy over?
4:53:59First, in his class of 10, which is, of course, a better law school than any of most of them attended.
4:54:06Second, the liar's liar.
4:54:09Oh, Christ.
4:54:12Thank you.
4:54:28Good.
4:54:32Good.
4:55:12Those are hard lines, thank God.
4:55:15That's why I picked it.
4:55:34Right.
4:55:36I know you would.
4:55:36That's why we sucked them out for that reason.
4:55:37Oh God, yes.
4:55:37It was just magnificent.
4:55:38I'd rather give on a trip about two years.
4:55:39I mean, really, I'm proud of you.
4:55:40It's nice to see you again.
4:55:41I don't know what you're going to ask me, but I'm going to ask you a question.
4:55:47I don't know what you're going to ask me, but I don't know what you're going to ask me, but I don't know what you're going to ask me, but I don't know what you're going to ask me, but I don't know what you're going to ask me,
4:56:04Yeah, I talked to me in the phone briefly.
4:56:05Oh, did you?
4:56:05Yeah.
4:56:06Wonderful.
4:56:06He was over at the warehouse.
4:56:09Yeah, I know.
4:56:09Thank you.
4:56:09You know, I think it was January, March, or something like that.
4:56:13His reaction to this was so warm, I thought to myself, he was very, very, very, very, very, very warm.
4:56:22He was gleeful.
4:56:24He was like, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very warm.
4:56:38He said he was going to go back and check their records tomorrow for issuing his own statement.
4:56:41He may come out against them because of some damn little silly big one on the man's head on labor.
4:56:44But he's wrong if he doesn't.
4:56:45Yeah, I think he's right.
4:56:45I'll be surprised if he's right.
4:56:47Yeah.
4:56:47He's got it up on his hands right now.
4:56:48He's got it on his hands right now.
4:57:18He could see that it was a very, very brilliant play, really.
4:57:46I think it's a very good invention.
4:57:51You got the lower order, you noticed?
4:57:52You got that in view.
4:57:53And I think he was pointed in a way that the, but the beauty of things would be, would be to connect to the station.
4:58:05You would drive back to the floor, and the fire station would be locked in.
4:58:09Right.
4:58:09But he went all the way, he went right into the pit, because he went right to the peak of the pit.
4:58:21And I defended the card, praised the goddamn card.
4:58:47We don't want to have something too irritating.
4:59:25Right.
4:59:42Yeah.
4:59:54Here's the best qualifier we could find.
4:59:56I know.
5:00:28A pile, I know they'll be.
5:00:32But they've got to be sold on.
5:00:34Also, you can't knock that first-team's class at Stanford in.
5:00:41Walk right to Robert Jackson's.
5:00:44That's big stuff for these guys.
5:00:45It's nuts.
5:00:50I've got a whole list of names, but being able to watch them on the train, it's pretty much the same.
5:01:02It doesn't improve, but it's worth it.
5:01:08It's worth it.
5:01:09It's worth it.
5:01:11It's worth it.
5:01:13It's worth it.
5:01:15It's worth it.
5:01:16It's worth it.
5:01:16It's worth it.
5:01:17It's worth it.
5:01:17It's worth it.
5:01:24And as I said, you know the Supreme Court is the fastest track that has people that are
5:01:51I'm not correct, but it was just as fast as the people that appeared before, but that was a good one.
5:02:00No, I thought the presentation was better.
5:02:13I don't believe...
5:02:30I don't believe...
5:02:33I don't believe...
5:02:33I don't believe...
5:02:34I don't believe...
5:02:35I don't believe...
5:02:36I don't believe...
5:02:44Oh boy.
5:03:16Sure, they did it, they did it.
5:03:47Well, we've given him something to take it from him.
5:04:01Kennedy's going to have a problem.
5:04:04He's already damaged.
5:04:07He's got to come out.
5:04:08He'll come out again.
5:04:10You know, a little time, finally.
5:04:13We'll see what he'll pick up the facts and see.
5:04:17I guess that the power came out of the spot where you came from, so it's down the chute.
5:04:23But you should have.
5:04:26Well, I think the mechanics of the other chute didn't look like it was supposed to be the same ground position.
5:04:31And the reason Chuck did was for the ground position.
5:04:34And I was in the same position.
5:04:37And I was in the same position.
5:04:39And I was afraid of the ground position.
5:04:41I was afraid of the ground position.
5:04:43And I was afraid of the ground position.
5:04:49Right.
5:04:51Well, we'll see.
5:04:53Okay.
5:04:56Thank you.
5:05:07Get Ambassador Martin in Rome for Secretary Rogers right away.
5:05:11Yes, indeed.
5:05:13Is it Mr. Butterfield?
5:05:14Mr. Butterfield?
5:05:15Yes?
5:05:15The President asked me for Ambassador Lodge in Argentina.
5:05:18Oh, he did?
5:05:19Now, I have Ambassador John Davis Lodge.
5:05:22I'm hoping that's who he wants.
5:05:23Mm-hmm.
5:05:24Is that our ambassador in Argentina?
5:05:26Well, I don't know.
5:05:27That's what the president asked me for, Ambassador Lodge.
5:05:30And I had an American embassy ambassador, John Davis Lodge.
5:05:34For a minute I was thinking of Henry Cabot Lodge, but I guess that's not.
5:05:37Yeah, I think that's the one.
5:05:38Can I put you on hold, or can you just hang up and let me check that and call you right back?
5:05:43The president's out in the Rose Garden now anyway, getting a picture taken.
5:05:46I'm not seeing this man on the line, all right.
5:05:48Well, let's just hold him for one second.
5:05:50You've got John Davis Lodge.
5:05:59Yes, please.
5:06:32Yes.
5:06:44That's all right now.
5:06:45Thank you very much.
5:06:46Appreciate it.
5:06:50Hi, Peter.
5:06:51Yes, sir.
5:06:52Yes, you've got the right one, and the president's coming in in about 30 seconds.
5:06:55Thank you, Mr. Butler.
5:06:56So do you want to just stay on the line here?
5:06:58Yes, uh-huh.
5:06:59Okay.
5:06:59We'll hold it open.
5:07:01And I think he will be calling Governor Holton here right after he talks to... Sir?
5:07:05I think he will be calling Governor Holton, too, right after he talks to Ambassador Lodge.
5:07:09All right.
5:07:10I alerted somebody earlier to that.
5:07:12All right.
5:07:14He's going to be calling Governor Holton then.
5:07:16Do we have...
5:07:18I'll put you on hold until the President picks up.
5:07:20Yes, sir.
5:07:20Okay.
5:07:21Doesn't she have something else?
5:07:24Yeah, wait a minute.
5:07:26Hold on here.
5:07:27Hold on here.
5:07:29I have to stay with this.
5:08:01Where are you every number you give us is wrong?
5:08:05Hello
5:08:27I have Bill Rogers on the other phone here.
5:08:34And the purpose of this call is to underline our concern about the vote Tuesday, which is probably Tuesday on Taiwan.
5:08:45What I want you to do is to go in to see the president.
5:08:49telling that I have called you personally on the phone, and that I have asked you, you've already carried an oral message in, but this puts more behind it, and that we've just taken our vote count, and Argentina's may be the vote that will determine whether we win or lose it, and that I feel, having just received our new ambassador here, and I liked him very much, he spoke highly of you, but that I feel
5:09:16An old friend of Argentina's and a good friend of Argentina's that I would feel personally very, very distressed if Argentina was the vote that defeated the United States in something in which we have such a very great interest.
5:09:30I wondered if you would... What's that?
5:09:33I shall certainly use that.
5:09:34Yeah, and I... What's that?
5:09:38I think if we can put it...
5:09:39I have his first cousin who's going to the States coming in to see me in about 10 minutes.
5:09:45And I'm trying to get an appointment for today, but I'm glad... Well, you can tell him... What I think you should do is to call the president and tell him that I just called you, and yet you have an urgent personal message.
5:09:59Because this vote is Tuesday.
5:10:02But the main point being that I just feel that I consider this a personal matter of the highest order.
5:10:12Now, incidentally, you can also tell him that my good friend and your good friend Finch will be there very shortly, and we want to discuss things of mutual interest.
5:10:23But go the extra mile.
5:10:25I look forward to his visit.
5:10:26I think it's a very helpful idea.
5:10:28But I want you to go the extra mile in telling him as strongly as you can that Argentina is probably the one vote that will make the difference.
5:10:37We think this would be very unfortunate to have these two great countries, the great country of the South and the great country of the North, divided.
5:10:45Very helpful, and I appreciate your calling.
5:10:48Just a minute.
5:10:49Here's Bill.
5:10:50Say, John, I want to be sure that you tell the president we want a yes vote on the important question.
5:10:55Yes, sir.
5:10:57I've already told the foreign minister, and I'm going to tell the president.
5:11:00We're not so interested in anything else.
5:11:01We want a yes vote on the important question.
5:11:03We don't want an abstention or anything else.
5:11:05That's right.
5:11:06And we don't care how...
5:11:07The important question to come up first.
5:11:08Yeah.
5:11:09That's right.
5:11:10And incidentally, yes on the important question, and we don't give a damn how they vote on the other things.
5:11:15Do you understand?
5:11:16Well, they're going to vote against the second part of the Albanian resolution, because they... That doesn't... That doesn't help us.
5:11:23...the exclusion of Taipei.
5:11:25How are they going to vote on the important... How are they going to vote on the important question?
5:11:30they haven't decided yet that is the critical vote if they no matter how they vote on the other one if they vote no on the important question we'll lose the other one you see
5:11:41Yes, sir.
5:11:42If they vote no on the important question, Taiwan will be kicked out.
5:11:46And also, it sets a precedent for kicking other countries out by a simple majority, which is absolutely wrong.
5:11:51See?
5:11:52Like Israel.
5:11:52Of course, the foreign minister keeps talking about Article 6 and Article 18.
5:11:57He says he doesn't see how the matter can be presented this way to the United Nations.
5:12:01And I understand that Ambassador Mounir presented this to Secretary of State that way.
5:12:08Is that right, Bill?
5:12:09Yeah, but it's a lot of baloney.
5:12:12Christ, we've got half the members voting, and theirs is a key vote.
5:12:16All they have to do is vote yes with us on the important question.
5:12:19And obviously, expelling Taiwan is an important question.
5:12:23It certainly is, but I understood that according to Article 18, they have to get two-thirds for a thing like that.
5:12:28No, no.
5:12:29No, no, no.
5:12:29No.
5:12:31They've got to vote yes on the important question or Taiwan is expelled.
5:12:35They just must be told that.
5:12:36Tell them that that's my judgment, too, that I've studied this damn charter.
5:12:41And this is very important, John.
5:12:42Get in there and see him.
5:12:43Get that vote.
5:12:44Okay?
5:12:45Okay.
5:12:45We'll do that.
5:12:46Thank you.
5:12:46All right.
5:12:52Governor Holton, please.
5:12:53Thank you, sir.
5:12:58Is this a different line from the line on the President's desk?
5:13:02No, this is the main number, 500, that's supposed to be right on his desk.
5:13:06Oh, I see.
5:13:06Well, he wants the call.
5:13:07When Governor Holden's call comes through, he doesn't want it in his OHA office, so I'm going to... Let me check this part.
5:13:12Well, you know, Mr. Butterfield, I had him on the line, and Chapin's office told me that he couldn't take it, that they'd have to call back.
5:13:18No, Chapin's office, I'm ahead of them on this one, so...
5:13:21But you might hold it, because I want to find a line that is not in his office.
5:13:24Of course, he can pick it up back here, can't he?
5:13:25Yes.
5:13:26All right, well, just hold one more second.
5:13:28Yes.
5:13:28All right.
5:13:31Hello?
5:13:31Yes, Mr. Butterfield.
5:13:32Okay, yeah, I guess when you get him, you can go ahead and put it through, and he'll take it right here.
5:13:36In fact, I might as well... Would you please hold, because somebody will get the wrong phone.
5:13:42Yeah, I'll stay on.
5:13:42Yes, just...
5:14:44No.
5:14:47No.
5:15:12Thank you.
5:15:46I'm just wondering how we're coming.
5:15:58I can't see.
5:15:58They're getting him up as the second secretary.
5:16:01Thank you.
5:16:37Mr. Butterfield, they're telling me he's left this number, and in two or three minutes we can reach him at another number.
5:16:43Okay, well, what you should do, as soon as you can reach him, it's quite the sooner the better, because we're trying to get him before he goes to a press conference, and that may be where he's going.
5:16:52Ring me on my phone, and then I will come in and get the President's phone.
5:16:56We can transfer it to here, and then I'll go in the Oval Office and bring the President in here.
5:17:01He wants to take it in his private office where I am.
5:17:02Yes, all right.
5:17:03All right?
5:17:04Do it that way.
5:17:04Thank you.
5:17:07Are you there?
5:17:08Are you there?
5:17:10Yes.
5:17:10Okay, now I'll bring the present to this phone.
5:17:12All right.
5:17:12Okay.
5:17:40You'll be here in about one minute.
5:17:52Thank you.
5:17:53Thank you.
5:17:53How are you?
5:17:55Governor, how are you?
5:17:56Alex Butterfield.
5:17:57Hey, Alex, how are you doing?
5:17:58Pretty good, thanks.
5:17:59Good.
5:17:59Here's the president now.
5:18:00Thank you.
5:18:03hello hi mr president well i just wanted to call you before your press conference to tell you that i think you're pretty fortunate and that we are we are two to have two virginians i understand rehnquist lives in virginia too yeah that makes three because the chief justice is out there oh yeah my virginia supreme court now well it's uh it is and uh i will appreciate you of course being a lawyer and of course with the unfortunate situation in puff if you would make a very strong statement and if you would indicate to the press that i've called you
5:18:32And I just signed the nominations this moment, as a matter of fact.
5:18:37Well, that's just tremendous.
5:18:40You really hit the ten strike.
5:18:41This guy is... You feel pretty good, do you?
5:18:43Oh, I feel outstanding, Mr. President.
5:18:44You don't know... Do you know Rehnquist?
5:18:47I do not know Rehnquist.
5:18:48He's just, frankly, he'll probably turn out to be the best man on the court.
5:18:52This may sound very...
5:18:53But he is a real legal genius and a tough, strong mind and...
5:19:00You know, first it's just going to be.
5:19:02So we've got two finds.
5:19:03And, of course, Powell is one of the great gentlemen.
5:19:05Powell is one of the great lawyers.
5:19:07He was your supporter, too, wasn't he?
5:19:09Well, he couldn't do that.
5:19:11He supported you.
5:19:11He supported Eisenhower.
5:19:13But you didn't need it.
5:19:14No, that's right.
5:19:15You supported me.
5:19:16That's right.
5:19:16All right.
5:19:17But he did not in any way do anything against me.
5:19:21Well, he's a great fellow, and somebody asked me last night, well, how about his age?
5:19:25I said, look, 10 years of Paul is worth 30 years of somebody else.
5:19:28Well, that's right, Mr. President.
5:19:31This fellow is a very fine, warm friend of mine.
5:19:34He and his wife have played with jinx in me.
5:19:38And I want you to know what he told me when I talked to him this morning, and that was,
5:19:44He says, well, you tell the president when you talk to him that he's a damn fine lawyer because...
5:19:49I was determined in my conversations with Mitchell that it's not appropriate.
5:19:53The president talked me into doing it.
5:19:56I really worked on it.
5:19:58He didn't want it.
5:19:59You and I had talked about it.
5:20:01I know, I know, I know.
5:20:03This is as clear a case of an office seeking out a man as I've ever seen.
5:20:08You can point out, incidentally, that in our conversation that I recall the fact that you had first mentioned his name to me and that I...
5:20:17and that also get in the fact of the bipartisan thing, that he's a Democrat, that this shows the president was seeking the best man regardless of party.
5:20:23Would you do that?
5:20:24I will do all of that.
5:20:25Great.
5:20:26And let me tell you that I had a very interesting telephone call this morning.
5:20:30The president of the state NAACP called me to congratulate me for getting Lewis Powell on that court.
5:20:37I didn't have a damn thing to do with it, but it does indicate the breadth of the support that this will get, I believe.
5:20:43Yeah.
5:20:44He's just taught.
5:20:45Right.
5:20:46Well, good.
5:20:47I congratulate you.
5:20:49I had to laugh when I saw the press speculating that you would go to mediocrity.
5:20:53I knew that that would happen.
5:20:55We had to get them out.
5:20:57You know what?
5:20:58We had to let them get them off on their blind trail so we'd get in the men we want.
5:21:01Well, you've done a great job.
5:21:03I think this is one of the...
5:21:04Listen, the whole thing, the economic program and everything you've been doing, I'm so thrilled with it.
5:21:11You may remember I told you in Williamsburg I felt we were on the...
5:21:14the eminence of some very, very fine successes, and I think you're doing a terrific job.
5:21:20Well, I appreciate it very much.
5:21:22I'm just meeting now with Kishi, the former prime minister of Japan.
5:21:24We're trying to get that back on the track, but it's coming along.
5:21:27Remember, we had to pay a price to get the textual agreement.
5:21:29That's a tough...
5:21:31That helps in your state, too, doesn't it, the textile agreement?
5:21:35We have a couple of textiles that are in problem.
5:21:38You've also got your Pakistan thing.
5:21:40Well, that's terrible.
5:21:42I just had a long meeting with Friedenhausen this morning, but there's nothing we can do there.
5:21:45They just hate each other.
5:21:47We're doing the best we can.
5:21:48The Middle East is shaping up, though, isn't it?
5:21:51Fairly well, yeah.
5:21:52Well, it's on ice, let's put it that way.
5:21:55But the fact that the Soviet and us are getting together, that keeps it on ice for a few more months.
5:22:01The way you've got Peking and Moscow balanced off is terrific.
5:22:05And you see the Soviet and us getting together also restrains the Indians against the Paks.
5:22:10and the Chinese was restraining the yaya, so it's all a balancing act.
5:22:14We just hope it doesn't come down.
5:22:15Right.
5:22:16Listen, one thing, I had lined up with Dwight and John and Bob Holliman at one time a little...
5:22:25the opportunity to come up and discuss some of the school situation with you.
5:22:29I didn't want to push that while the Supreme Court was under consideration.
5:22:33So I'd like to get that on the track.
5:22:36I can be helpful to you.
5:22:37Fine.
5:22:38Why don't you give a call to, you know, you work it out and I'll be glad to see you anytime.
5:22:41You're close, you know, and you can work into the schedule.
5:22:46Why don't you just talk to Ehrlichman or Haldeman, either one.
5:22:50Okay.
5:22:51Fine.
5:22:51Many thanks.
5:22:52Or Dwight.
5:22:53Anyone.
5:22:53No, Dwight's in China.
5:22:54No, Dwight's gone now.
5:22:56Ehrlichman or Haldeman, either one.
5:22:57They can make the schedules.
5:22:59I'll do it.
5:22:59And again, just the finest kind of congratulations on that outstanding pair of points.
5:23:04Well, he's a great Virginian.
5:23:06Okay.
5:23:07Virginian, and keep on.
5:23:08Make that Supreme Court a Virginia Supreme Court.
5:23:10That'll help you.
5:23:11I've been saying that all the time.
5:23:13All right.
5:23:14Okay.
5:23:14Bye.
5:23:14Bye.
5:23:18Mr. Harlow, please.
5:23:20Thank you.
5:23:23Hello.
5:23:23Mr. Harlow, sir.
5:23:24Yeah.
5:23:25You are.
5:23:27Hi, Bryce.
5:23:27How are you?
5:23:28Well, I appreciate it very much for taking my call.
5:23:31I don't like to bother you.
5:23:33Oh, not at all.
5:23:34I called you.
5:23:36Number one, I just want to hear what you did last night.
5:23:39Oh, thank you.
5:23:40Oh, God, it was great.
5:23:41We sort of stuck it to him a little.
5:23:43Well, I think that this is one of your great things.
5:23:46I really mean it.
5:23:48These are both good men, you know.
5:23:50Powell's a little old, but as I said to Kilpo, or one of the fellows afterwards, one of the press guys, I said, look, 10 years of Powell is worth 30 for most others.
5:23:59Well, in any case, you have finessed this beautifully and done good for the court, and you looked good, and you made a bunch of asses out of a whole bunch of asses.
5:24:08In other words, they don't know, huh?
5:24:10They sure must.
5:24:11I called you about the thing we discussed the other day.
5:24:13Yeah, yeah, that's what I...
5:24:14I'm not trying to pry into that or bother you with it, but I... No, go ahead.
5:24:18We haven't decided the thing.
5:24:19Well, I suspect that probably you haven't, and I wanted to give you some input.
5:24:22No.
5:24:22That's right.
5:24:23Go right ahead.
5:24:23Have you been advised yet about Henry's status?
5:24:25Not at all.
5:24:27You see, we run into the Constitution.
5:24:31Oh, that's right.
5:24:33He can't take a post.
5:24:35He can't take it.
5:24:36No member of the Senate elected in 68.
5:24:37Of course he can't.
5:24:39That's right.
5:24:40Until their term expires.
5:24:42That's right.
5:24:43So let's forget that.
5:24:44So there's no member of the Senate.
5:24:46Because he was elected then, yeah.
5:24:47That's right.
5:24:48That's right.
5:24:49House guys are all absolved now, but no member of the Senate like that can be sent out.
5:24:54And I'm embarrassed that it bothers you with that.
5:24:57I believe, and I just wanted to give you the way it looks, because this leaves you, I think, three valid candidates.
5:25:03Two in the department and our friend out in Indiana.
5:25:08And it seems to me, as you measure that out carefully, and for your private information, I had a long two-hour chat about all of this with Hardin today at lunch, on his initiative, not mine.
5:25:21And he was just talking about it and how it looks to him.
5:25:25One is the Undersecretary, and the other is Palmby, and the other is Butt.
5:25:31Of those, I think that you are driven almost irresistibly to Palmby, as a man who has been running the department in effect in many ways anyhow, and a man whom you came close to appointing in 1968.
5:25:44Remember, you were under very heavy pressure to appoint him then, by almost the entire Republican side of the Congress.
5:25:53if you recall that.
5:25:55I say that in lieu of Campbell, whom I like very much.
5:26:00But the trouble is, he's anathema to the Farm Bureau.
5:26:06You know, he's in the Farm Bureau, but it's the Georgia Farm Bureau, and it always is at war with the National Farm Bureau.
5:26:14And it just won't float for that reason, I don't think, although it would be popular, of course, in the South.
5:26:22you would go right up the smokestack uh uh he's a highly competent man in the field he's a farmer also uh on our on earl but two things one is the benson thing we discussed and the other is that he is an academicist instead of a farmer and uh so i put him third
5:26:45I think that's where you are, and I just wanted to... Well, you think Palmby, then, huh?
5:26:51I would say so.
5:26:52And I wanted to ask you...
5:26:53He's sure not very impressive fellow, is he?
5:26:56Not in that sense.
5:26:59We can't get a better salesman.
5:27:00Well, he's respected, though.
5:27:06He's respected as a very highly competent technician in this field.
5:27:12And I think, therefore, it would be well received.
5:27:14Now, I wanted to ask your leave to do something about this.
5:27:17Yeah.
5:27:17To give you a little more steerage.
5:27:19Sure.
5:27:19Yes, I want you to do it, and I want you to go right after the thing.
5:27:22Well, this was the thought I had.
5:27:25I wanted leave to have a frank little private chat with Henry now.
5:27:29He's not eligible, you see.
5:27:30Yeah, yeah, of course.
5:27:31And ask him how he feels about the Palmby-Campbell.
5:27:37uh to see what this practical farmer politician thinks would be just to get his input for you yeah okay
5:27:50Well, I guess it's just out of the question to try to go to anybody outside.
5:27:56Well, it's Butts there, of course.
5:27:58Well, Butts.
5:27:58Well, I know.
5:27:59But you think that's out because he's Farm Bureau.
5:28:01I think...
5:28:01I mean, Benson.
5:28:02Benson.
5:28:03Benson.
5:28:03He's Benson, and he's an academician.
5:28:05Yeah.
5:28:07Another professor.
5:28:08Another professor.
5:28:09Pompey is, too, a professor, isn't he?
5:28:10No, sir.
5:28:11No.
5:28:12No, no.
5:28:12He was head of the feed grain operations in Washington.
5:28:15Yeah.
5:28:15Came into the department.
5:28:16There isn't anybody, there's no young guy or anything, nothing that, who's a farmer or, I just think some cattle man, they aren't.
5:28:25They're not the right kind.
5:28:27How about a milk producer?
5:28:28In the area you hunt.
5:28:29How about a milk producer?
5:28:33I went over all of this in meticulous care with the secretary at noontime.
5:28:37Exploring the academicians, the heads of the agriculture... Don't give me an academician.
5:28:41How about that?
5:28:42The state agriculture leaders, you know, the government.
5:28:45There's nobody there.
5:28:46Yeah.
5:28:47Yeah.
5:28:52I'm ignoring, of course, Louie for the purpose of my discussion.
5:28:56Yeah, I think you're right, too.
5:28:57I really don't think he's right.
5:28:58It won't wash. Well, Pompey may be the best.
5:29:02Although Pompey will just look like a continuation of what we're doing, so that doesn't help us much, does it?
5:29:10If people don't like what we're doing, Bryce, putting Palmby in doesn't change it.
5:29:15Well, that's true, but the way this area is going to go is what you've got out there in the summer of next year.
5:29:23Yeah.
5:29:24Not the way it is right now.
5:29:25Yeah, fine.
5:29:26Isn't it?
5:29:26Right.
5:29:27Well, that's right in how it's going.
5:29:28Well, I'll tell you, you look it over and give me your best judgment by Tuesday.
5:29:33Can you do that?
5:29:33Yes, sir.
5:29:34Okay.
5:29:34And I'll give you the input out of Henry.
5:29:36All right.
5:29:37All right.
5:29:37Thank you.
5:29:38Bye.
5:29:41Hello?
5:29:43Yes, have you got that call?
5:29:44Yes, sir.
5:29:45Mr. President Nixon, sir.
5:29:48Hello?
5:29:50Hello?
5:29:51Mr. Prime Minister.
5:29:52Good evening.
5:29:54How are you?
5:29:54Very well, thank you.
5:29:59I regret to bother you this late in the evening.
5:30:07But I have a matter to discuss that I think is very important, we believe.
5:30:12And I have on the line with me my...
5:30:18My State Department man, would you like to have him translate as we go along?
5:30:22Mr. President of the Council, I am pleased to address you.
5:30:26I am sorry that I have to disturb you so late at night, but we have something to discuss with you that we consider of great importance.
5:30:33At this moment, I have on the line our interpreter from the State Department.
5:30:53Well, Mr. President, I'm very glad to hear your voice, and I am more than happy to discuss this problem with you.
5:30:59Thank you.
5:31:00When I saw Foreign Minister Morrow, I talked with him with regard to the important question vote in the United Nations that will take place on Tuesday.
5:31:15Mr. President, when I had my last visit with your Foreign Minister, I referred to the important question of the United Nations in reference to which there will be a vote in that seat on Tuesday of next week.
5:31:32Yes, Mr. Morrow referred me.
5:31:35Yes, Mr. Morrow did tell me that.
5:31:37I realize that you feel that there may be some problem because
5:31:44your government's previous statements on this vote.
5:31:48However, I believe that it is completely consistent to take the position that we take, which is we support the admission of the People's Republic, but we oppose expelling the Republic of China
5:32:14We believe that expelling a nation from the United Nations would be a very dangerous precedent and that it should be by two-thirds vote.
5:32:26If, for example, it is decided that this can be done by simple majority vote, who knows?
5:32:33Next time it will be Portugal or some other nation that some group of nations may be at odds with.
5:32:41So, Mr. President, I would like to refer you to the following.
5:32:46I am aware of the fact that, in your opinion, there could be some problems, especially with regard to the basis that has already been laid, that is, the principle based on the declarations by the Italian government regarding this voting, the previous declarations of last year, etc.,
5:33:05But, in my opinion, it would be entirely coherent to follow our position, that is, we will vote in support of the mission of the People's Republic of China
5:33:21but contrary to the thesis of the expulsion of the Chinese Republic, since we believe that the expulsion from the United Nations of a member country could constitute a dangerous precedent and this action should be verified only based on a vote of two thirds, a decision of this magnitude in the middle of a simple majority could only
5:33:45And in our country, I would say that the majority of our people
5:34:06They would favor the admission of the People's Republic of Communist China.
5:34:13They strongly oppose expelling Taiwan, and that is particularly true, I would say, among the very large Italian-American group in our country, who support the position that Taiwan should not be expelled.
5:34:35In the United States, Mr. President, we observe that the majority of the American people, while they are in favor of the mission of the People's Republic of China,
5:34:51At the same time, it is very contrary to the thesis of the expulsion of Taiwan.
5:34:56This is the case in a special way between the American idols of our country, who are in support of the position that the expulsion of Taiwan should not be produced.
5:35:12And I feel, as I told the foreign minister, that I would very much hope that if your government could stand with us on this one question, the I.Q.
5:35:29question, as it's called, the important question, that that will make the difference.
5:35:36I think that Italy...
5:35:38Not only your vote is involved, but there are four or five other countries that I think will go the way you go.
5:35:44So, Mr. President, as I mentioned with the Minister of Foreign Affairs, I would have great hope that in case Italy votes with us on this important issue,
5:36:00This would really represent the difference, that is, this would incline the balance in a decisive way, since, depending on the way of voting in Italy, I think that in that way there would also be four or five other countries.
5:36:18And so I wanted you to hear in my own voice, since we did have that very good meeting in Washington and also in Rome, I wanted you to hear in my own voice how strongly I felt on this issue.
5:36:34And that's the reason I'm bothering you at this late evening.
5:36:41So, Mr. President, I wanted to say directly with my own voice, especially after our pleasant and productive visits here in Washington DC and in Rome, exactly what my feelings were about this issue and this is the only reason why I allowed myself to disturb you at this time.
5:37:00It means to Mr. President that I...
5:37:09I am grateful for this phone call, also because it gives me the opportunity to communicate some orientation, some feeling, some concern of the Italian government and of the Italian public opinion.
5:37:25I would like to say
5:37:54I would like to say...
5:37:57I would like to say...
5:37:58I would like to say...
5:38:23In the sense that any procedural vote that could somehow prevent or delay the entry of China into the United Nations would not have found consent.
5:38:33Our public opinion was oriented in this sense.
5:38:49Mr. President, I would like to say that I've done nothing more, nothing more over the last 10 days, nothing over the last 10 days but to try to face and grapple with this particular problem.
5:39:00The problem stems primarily from the fact that based on our statements and declarations with regard to this issue last year, this brought about a mood among our population to the effect that any procedural vote
5:39:16which would tend to impede or hinder the admission of the Chinese People's Republic into the United States would not be taken well.
5:39:26This is just the way our public opinion has been oriented to this issue.
5:39:31Now, it is true that procedurally the issues have changed, because the important issue is not so much about the entry
5:39:43in China, in the United Nations, as for the expulsion of Taiwan.
5:39:48However, in our recognition made to China last year, we have accepted the principle that the government of Beijing is the only representative of the Chinese people.
5:40:04So much so that Taiwan has withdrawn its ambassadors, the ambassador from Rome.
5:40:13So today, to report the issue of the expulsion of Taiwan in the context of the qualified majority for the expulsion of a country, faces this attitude, based on which we have recognized as the only government that of Beijing.
5:40:43Mr. President, with regard to the procedural issues, it is true that the situation has changed to some degree, because the important question has to do not only with the admission of the Chinese People's Republic, but now it is linked to the expulsion of Taiwan.
5:40:58However, Mr. President, in view of the fact that we extended diplomatic recognition to the People's Republic of China,
5:41:05within the framework of this step that we took, we committed ourselves to the principle, we agreed to the principle that Peking was the only legal representative of the Chinese people.
5:41:16And in fact, Taiwan at that point, upon our recognition, withdrew its ambassador from Rome.
5:41:24And therefore, at this time, to bring back this issue of the expulsion of Taiwan
5:41:30If Taiwan had recognized a different identity to itself,
5:42:00If Taiwan had recognized itself as something different from the identity that it has assumed
5:42:28and not simply insisted on being recognized as the government of the Chinese Republic, why then our task would be a lot easier from the political and the legal standpoint.
5:42:39In Italy, there is a public opinion on this, a very contrasting current of public opinion on this topic.
5:42:53The effort I'm making is to avoid the vote against the important motion.
5:43:01But I'm not sure I can get to the favorable vote.
5:43:06And tomorrow I have the Council of Ministers in which this problem will be discussed and it will certainly be a very difficult Council of Ministers.
5:43:19Now, in Italy, there are political, there are public opinion trends that are conflicting in nature with regard to this, so that my efforts, Mr. President, are directed toward trying to avoid having to vote against the important question.
5:43:36Now, I'm not sure that I can get a vote in favor of it, but tomorrow we're going to discuss this issue, and it's going to be a very hotly discussed one in the Council of Ministers.
5:43:48I can assure the President that as far as I am concerned, I have worked these days for my personal conviction, to conciliate the different opinions and also to, in any case, once again give an attestation of our friendship towards the United States.
5:44:08So my effort tomorrow will be to prevent a contrary vote.
5:44:23On this court, Mr. President, I would like to assure you that as far as I am concerned, I have been devoting my best efforts to this particular issue based on my personal convictions to bring together the various opinions and the various viewpoints and bring about a decision that will be a true reflection of our friendship toward the United States.
5:44:46My effort tomorrow will be in the direction of trying to avoid having to come up with a vote against the important question, and I do have some hopes of succeeding.
5:44:56The Ambassador, Martin, spoke to me about this problem.
5:45:01He also explained to me the President's personal concerns, as well as the general situation.
5:45:07And, of course, I have taken care of it to the fullest, and that is why I am working in this direction.
5:45:15I also should note, Mr. President, that Ambassador Martin has discussed this problem very thoroughly and at length with me, and has explained to me your concerns as well as the general concern that exists on this, and my response has invariably been that I am devoting my very best and concentrated efforts to this issue.
5:45:33I want to say to the Prime Minister that I appreciate his difficult problem,
5:45:42I also would emphasize that this vote, of course, will be watched in the whole world.
5:45:50And I think it would be very unfortunate if the United States and Italy, the two countries that on all the issues of Europe and on most of the great issues in the world have stood together, it would be very unfortunate if we were to split.
5:46:09I would hope that in the consideration with his cabinet tomorrow that the Prime Minister, if possible, could help the United States on this vote.
5:46:19We consider it very important that the President
5:46:22not be established that by a simple majority, a country or government can be expelled from the United Nations.
5:46:30It goes far beyond the China question.
5:46:33It goes to the whole matter of expelling countries, and we think it should require a two-thirds vote.
5:46:39That's why we think an aye vote on the important question is so important.
5:46:45Thank you very much, Mr. Prime Minister.
5:46:49I must really acknowledge and thank you for all your efforts regarding this problem.
5:46:56I would also like to underline the fact that, in our opinion,
5:47:00We know that this vote will be observed closely by all the nations, all the peoples of the world.
5:47:05It would be a very unhappy situation, in my opinion, if the United States and Italy, two nations that have always been supportive of the great issues of Europe and the world, in this case were divided.
5:47:22So I hope, Mr. President, that you will succeed in the meeting of the Council of Ministers tomorrow, in the sense that you will be able to help us with this vote.
5:47:36Because in our opinion the most important thing about this is not to establish the precedent for which it would be possible to expel a nation from the United Nations in the middle of a simple majority.
5:47:50Therefore, it is a problem that goes far beyond the question of China.
5:47:55It really has to do with the question of the vast extent of the possibility of expelling the members of the United Nations, and that is why we are so concerned.
5:48:06I wish to assure you, Mr. President, that I will do everything within my efforts to assure that our position is as close as possible to that of the United States.
5:48:11On any score, at any rate, I do hope to avoid having to vote against the IQ.
5:48:34I look forward to seeing the Prime Minister again at some time and I appreciate this chance to talk to him.
5:48:41I also hope so, Mr. President, and I wish you every success.
5:49:02Thank you very much.
5:49:03Grazie.
5:49:04Grazie.
5:49:04Grazie mille.
5:49:06Goodbye.
5:49:06Attorney General, please.
5:49:15Hello?
5:49:16Mr. President, the Attorney General is attending a dinner for the Republican women at the Washington Hilton.
5:49:21Do you want me to reach him right now?
5:49:23No, no, no.
5:49:23He'll be home, I think, about 11.
5:49:27I wouldn't bother.
5:49:28It'll be too late.
5:49:28Thank you very much.
5:49:29You're welcome.
5:49:32Switch, please.
5:50:43Well, the dinner was fine.
5:50:44Did it go all right?
5:50:45Oh, sure.
5:50:46Small dinners, of course.
5:50:48It was really great for the people that were there.
5:50:52And the hard work they made was great for the people they loved.
5:50:55Yeah.
5:50:55They get to see a lot more of you.
5:50:58Now, I hope Kishi should be happy for the thing.
5:51:00Boy, we really do.
5:51:01I'm proud.
5:51:02But he was courteous to me, you know, when I was out of office.
5:51:05Oh, sure.
5:51:05He always was.
5:51:06Every time I was there, I remember he saw me.
5:51:07He gave me a dinner.
5:51:08He took me out to the kitchen.
5:51:09That's right.
5:51:10He was always...
5:51:11I remember when I was out of office, he did it.
5:51:13That's right.
5:51:14I think this dinner means a hell of a lot.
5:51:17Sure.
5:51:17He gave us a gift.
5:51:19I wonder if there's anything we can give him in return or give to him.
5:51:22I don't know.
5:51:23I don't know.
5:51:23Check him in the morning.
5:51:24See if there's something we can give him in return.
5:51:31It's a gift.
5:51:33I was thinking, oh, wow.
5:51:39We get one of those pictures the two of us frame, give it to him or something like that.
5:51:44Sure, we can.
5:51:45Or I can find out if they have something else.
5:51:46Something else.
5:51:47Well, something that would sort of be special in person.
5:51:51I think that picture frame would be nice.
5:51:56Sure, we could do that, but we'd have to get that signed.
5:51:58Well, we can probably do that.
5:51:59Well, that or something else.
5:52:02You may find something else better than that.
5:52:09Yeah, I'll see what I'll...
5:52:10Does it need to go to him tomorrow?
5:52:13I don't know how many people are going to be around tomorrow because of stuff.
5:52:16No, no, no, no, no, no.
5:52:17I mean, whether the gift people are... No, we could send it, mail it to him.
5:52:19Yeah.
5:52:19Give it to the ambassador and send it to him.
5:52:23No hurry.
5:52:24That's what I was thinking.
5:52:24I think maybe the picture is a good idea.
5:52:26Send it to him.
5:52:27That'll, you know, have a frame.
5:52:29Sure.
5:52:30And everything.
5:52:39I think that would be great.
5:52:41Okay, let's do the picture.
5:52:43All right.
5:52:43Okay.
5:52:44All right.
5:52:47Okay.
5:54:21Yes, sir.
5:54:21Paul Keyes in California.
5:54:25Thank you.
5:54:26Yes, sir.
5:54:29Secretary Connolly, please.
5:54:31Yes, sir.
5:54:32Hello.
5:54:32There you are.
5:54:33Hello, Paul.
5:54:34Hello, sir.
5:54:38How are you?
5:54:39Well, how are things going in your show?
5:54:40They're going great, sir.
5:54:42Great.
5:54:42That's fine.
5:54:44I loved your talk yesterday.
5:54:45Did you get to see it on TV?
5:54:46You're right.
5:54:47I thought it was just... Yeah.
5:54:50I mean, you not only named them, but you got the ratification all at once.
5:54:54Well, we put it to them a little.
5:54:56We surprised them.
5:54:56As CBS said, NBC said, when you signed off, they said, what a very statesman-like thing to do, to go and present your case.
5:55:08Because it was a marvelous case.
5:55:09Pretty hard to knock these guys.
5:55:11I would think so.
5:55:13They can...
5:55:14Well, they'll be approved, these two.
5:55:17These two, yep.
5:55:18Well, the show's going well, isn't it?
5:55:20Yes, sir.
5:55:21Yes, sir.
5:55:21I met your man, Blatchford, the other day.
5:55:24Oh, yes.
5:55:24Joe Blatchford.
5:55:26He told his people he wanted to meet me, and he came out of the office for half an hour, and, you know, we're just small talk, so he's an awful bright guy.
5:55:39He really is, yes.
5:55:41Able fella, right?
5:57:22Mr. Rebozo, please.
5:57:27Try Mr. Hobart-Lewis, please.
5:57:34Hello.
5:57:37Mr. Hobart-Lewis, sir.
5:57:39There you are.
5:57:39Hello, Hob.
5:57:42Mr. President.
5:57:43How'd you like the way we fooled the press and the court?
5:57:48Godfully glorious.
5:57:48You let him down the garden path that time.
5:57:51I thought we'd give him a little surprise.
5:57:53Well, that was just tremendous.
5:57:54And your performance, incidentally, was just about the best I ever saw.
5:58:00I thought your feet, the way you presented them, was just magnificent.
5:58:06This one, of course, as you can imagine, I had to do all by myself.
5:58:08You did absolutely the whole thing by yourself.
5:58:14And I think the appointments are right, too.
5:58:16Well, they're true conservatives, you know.
5:58:18And we're going to get them through them by putting... You don't think they'll have any difficulty with you?
5:58:22No, no.
5:58:22Well, they'll have some.
5:58:23Sure, they'll squeal around.
5:58:24But they talk so much about excellence, and then we got them bitching about others because they weren't excellent.
5:58:30And then we put in a couple of excellents who were conservatives.
5:58:32That was a beautiful day.
5:58:34And now they're really stuck with them.
5:58:35That was just great.
5:58:37Absolutely thrilling.
5:58:39And Louis Powell is about the finest man in the world, too.
5:58:43He's a great fellow.
5:58:44And Lundqvist, you don't know, but he...
5:58:45He's a brilliant man and just as conservative as he can be.
5:58:53Potter Stewart on a swing boat will be fine.
5:58:56Five, that's right.
5:58:59At least we've got a start.
5:59:08Good, good.
5:59:08That's just great.
5:59:11Great.
5:59:12Well, it was good to see you last week.
5:59:18Well, we enjoyed it.
5:59:25Okay.
5:59:26Congressman Sandman, please.
5:59:31Congressman.
5:59:32Sandman.
5:59:36New Jersey.
5:59:36Thank you, sir.
5:59:39Hello.
5:59:39Mr. President, Congressman Sandman on the line.
5:59:41Yeah.
5:59:43Hello?
5:59:43Hello?
5:59:44Charlie, I didn't want anybody to get to be 50 years old without getting a call from the president.
5:59:48Oh, isn't that wonderful.
5:59:50So I just wish you the best and... What a surprise.
5:59:53Are you in New Jersey?
5:59:54Yes, I'm home.
5:59:56Well, good.
5:59:56You tell all your constituents that I remember you.
5:59:59I remember when I became 50, boy, I had a lot of steam.
6:00:01Now, who's ever going to believe me that the President of the United States called me and wished me happy birthday?
6:00:06Well, you know it's true.
6:00:08You know it's true.
6:00:09I'm going to meet...
6:00:09I know it's true.
6:00:10That's for sure.
6:00:10Matter of fact, I'm meeting with about ten governors in about five minutes from...
6:00:14I just got back from Moscow, so I'll find out what they're thinking over there.
6:00:18Well, anyway, we... Incidentally, we've given you a couple of real good judges there.
6:00:21They're tough and strong and conservative.
6:00:24Good.
6:00:25I think you're doing great.
6:00:26Yeah, we can...
6:00:28Oh, the house is great.
6:00:31So is Sandman.
6:00:33Okay.
6:00:33Thank you very much.
6:00:35Bye, Charlie.
6:00:36Mrs. Nixon, please.
6:00:40Thank you, sir.
6:00:41Mrs. Nixon, sir.
6:01:49Mr. President, President Echeverria.
6:01:51I will speak in English, but then I will have it translated sentence by sentence in Spanish.
6:01:56Did you get that operator?
6:02:14First, Mr. President, I want to thank you very much for taking this call this morning, on this Saturday morning.
6:02:22In primer lugar, señor Presidente, quiero agradecerle por haber aceptado esta llamada en esta mañana de sábado.
6:02:28Dígale usted al señor Presidente que le mando mis saludos muy afectuosos y que siempre me será grato hablar con él.
6:02:37Mr. President, he wants to say that he sends you his most affectionate greetings, and it is always a pleasure to talk with you.
6:02:43And also, Mr. President, while I have you on the phone, I am looking forward very much to Mr. Finch's report after he pays a visit to Mexico on the trip that I have sent him.
6:02:58Y ahora que estamos hablando, señor Presidente, estoy anticipando con mucho interés el informe que me ha de presentar el señor Finch después del viaje que va a hacer a la América Latina, que incluirá naturalmente una escala en México.
6:03:10¿Cómo no?
6:03:11Dígale que lo recibiremos con todo interés.
6:03:14We will receive, Mr. Finch, with the greatest of interest.
6:03:16And, of course, I'm looking forward to the chance for the President and me to meet personally again, too, at some time that is convenient.
6:03:23Y también me interesaría mucho tener una oportunidad de reunirme nuevamente con usted en el futuro, señor Presidente.
6:03:28Que yo también tengo deseos y que ya buscaremos la oportunidad, cómo no.
6:03:33I feel that some way, Mr. President, we'll have to find a way to do this.
6:03:35Good.
6:03:37I have called you this morning to present to you my views on a subject I consider to be of the greatest importance.
6:03:44the upcoming United Nations vote on Chinese representation, which will probably occur on Tuesday, October 26th.
6:03:52As you know, I have always held the greatest respect for the independence and integrity of your great country, and also of the right of your country to have its own independent foreign policy.
6:04:06Mr. President, I have called you this morning to present my points of view on a topic that is of utmost importance to me, namely the vote that will probably be held in the United Nations on Tuesday, October 26, on the issue of Chinese representation in that body.
6:04:22I also cherish our personal relationship, and for this reason I am confident that I can speak to you in the frankest terms about our position on this important issue.
6:04:42I consider this issue to be one which touches upon the very survival of the United Nations.
6:05:00as a viable world body, separate and distinct from the complex issue of Chinese representation.
6:05:07It is my conviction that the removal of an honorable member of the United Nations
6:05:24any member, by a simple majority vote, would be a precedent of the most disastrous consequences, which could have the most serious implications for the future vitality and survival of the United Nations.
6:05:37I have the conviction, Mr. President, that the elimination of an honorable member of the United Nations, and I want to say with this any member, for just a simple majority vote, would establish a precedent with consequences as disastrous as possible, which could represent very serious implications.
6:06:13...be of the greatest importance.
6:06:15The upcoming United Nations vote on Chinese representation, which will probably occur on Tuesday, October 26th.
6:06:23As you know, I have always held the greatest respect for the independence and integrity of your great country, and also of the right of your country to have its own independent foreign policy.
6:06:37Mr. President, I have called you this morning to present my points of view on a topic that is of utmost importance to me, namely the vote that will probably be held in the United Nations on Tuesday, October 26, on the issue of Chinese representation in that body.
6:06:53I also cherish our personal relationship, and for this reason I'm confident that I can speak to you in the frankest terms about our position on this important issue.
6:07:13I consider this issue to be one which touches upon the very survival of the United Nations.
6:07:31as a viable world body, separate and distinct from the complex issue of Chinese representation.
6:07:37It is my conviction that the removal of an honorable member of the United Nations
6:07:55any member, by a simple majority vote, would be a precedent of the most disastrous consequences which could have the most serious implications for the future vitality and survival of the United Nations.
6:08:08I have the conviction, Mr. President, that the elimination of an honorable member of the United Nations, and I want to say with this any member, for just a simple majority vote, would establish a precedent with consequences as disastrous as possible, which could represent very serious implications for the vitality and future survival of this organization.
6:08:30And it's for this reason that with great respect that I am relying upon the traditional friendship which has existed between our two countries, and more importantly, the personal relationship between the two of us, which has been such a great source of satisfaction to me.
6:08:46to urge you to consider voting with the United States in favor of making the issue of the expulsion of the government of Taiwan an important question, and to at the same time support the United States on the position that this matter should be one of priority during the Tuesday's deliberation.
6:09:11For this reason, Mr. President, and with all the great respect that is deserved, I support the traditional friendship that has existed for so long between our two nations, and what is even more important for me, the personal relationships that exist between you and me, between the two of us, which has been for me a source of great satisfaction, to urge you to consider the vote that accompanies the United States in the vote, in the sense that the issue of the expulsion of the government of Taiwan is considered as an important issue,
6:09:40As you know, Mr. President, my position is that the People's Republic of China, mainland China, should be admitted to the United Nations
6:09:57but that the Republic of China on Taiwan should not be expelled from the United Nations.
6:10:03And I think this position is consistent with the important question vote.
6:10:12Mr. President, I advocate for the admission of the People's Republic of China to the United Nations, but at the same time, we do not want the Republic of China in Taiwan to be expelled.
6:10:21I can only say that I realize this is a very difficult and complex issue for your government and if you can find it possible to vote
6:10:42With the United States and other nations on this issue alone, I would consider it a very great personal favor.
6:10:50I say all of this with great respect, of course, for the right of you and your government to reach your independent decision on it.
6:11:01Mr. President, all this means that we are confronted with a situation that is extremely complex and difficult, and I know that the Mexican government also confronts a decision that will be complex and difficult for the government.
6:11:13But I wanted to say that if you can accompany the United States and other nations in this vote,
6:11:20we would be extremely grateful as a personal favor.
6:11:24And I say this and I want to emphasize and emphasize that I say it within the framework of the greatest respect for you and your government, because I know that you and your government will be the ones who will have to make the decision about what they have to decide.
6:11:36Yes, of course.
6:11:37And I thank you very much for allowing me to impose on your time.
6:11:42And Mrs. Nixon, who is going to join me in a few minutes, joins me in sending our very best to Mrs. Echevarria.
6:11:51And we look forward to seeing both of you in the near future.
6:11:56Well, Mr. President, again, thank you very much for allowing me to impose on your time this Saturday morning, and Ms. Nixon, who is going to accompany me in a few minutes, accompanies me in begging you to accept, you and your wife, our best votes, and expressing the hope that we can see you both soon.
6:12:13Of course.
6:12:14Tell the President that...
6:12:21Mr. President, I am now having an in-depth study of this matter which is so complex and so important.
6:12:45Now, here in Mexico, we have an opinion that was shaped quite a long time ago, and this represents a problem for us now.
6:12:51I want to ask you this.
6:12:55I sent a call to the Secretary of Relations, Mr. Rabaza, and my representative in the United Nations.
6:13:01This afternoon, I'm going to talk to them.
6:13:06que yo quiero preguntarle si es posible que mañana domingo o el lunes en la mañana el señor Rogers lo reciba a Rabasa para que hable con él unos minutos que me parece muy importante
6:13:20I would like Mr. Rogers to know some considerations derived from direct observations there in the United Nations that Mexico has collected, that simply I need my answer on Monday morning, by way here of the Secretary of Foreign Relations, Rabasa, if he talks in Washington or New York, I do not know Mr. Rogers where he is, with Rabasa.
6:13:44Mr. President, one thing I would like to ask you now, I'm calling upon the Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Rabassa, and my representative at the UN for a meeting this afternoon in which we will discuss this issue.
6:13:56And I would like to ask you if it would be possible to send, either Sunday or perhaps Monday morning, send Mr. Rabassa to Washington or to New York, wherever Mr. Rogers is, to talk with Secretary Rogers.
6:14:07And I think that it would be important for Secretary Rogers to hear from Mr. Rabassa's lips
6:14:11some information that our delegation has picked up in the corridors of the UN.
6:14:16And as I said, if it would be possible, I don't know whether Secretary Rogers is in Washington or New York, for him to spare a few minutes for Secretary Rabas on Monday morning, I think it would be very important.
6:14:25I will arrange that.
6:14:26Secretary Rogers will be going up to New York to be there on Monday, the day before the vote.
6:14:32I will personally see that we'll arrange a time that's mutually convenient for whoever you want to have see him.
6:14:39Yes, I will personally take care of that, Mr. President.
6:14:42Secretary Rogers will go to New York on Monday, that is, the day before the vote, and I will take care that he, apart from some time that is mutually satisfactory for him and for any representative that you may send.
6:14:54That's right.
6:14:55Tell him, Mr. President, that you already know that Mexico and I are friends of the United States and President Nixon.
6:15:02That all the forms of reciprocal collaboration that may exist are always here, encouraged.
6:15:09That this matter has become a little complicated, which is what I want Rabasa to talk to Roger.
6:15:17That we are fighting in many aspects for the same causes and with the same ideas.
6:15:39Mr. President, I want to reiterate that Mexico and myself personally are friends of the United States and of you, President Nixon, and that we try to find all possible ways of fostering reciprocal cooperation in anything that we can.
6:15:51But this matter we're discussing has become a very complex one, and this is what I want Secretary Rabassa to transmit to Secretary Rogers.
6:15:58I want certain considerations that we have in coming to our own decisions.
6:16:02I would like to reiterate that we have a joint, a common cause.
6:16:06We fight for the same causes on many occasions, and so there is a political platform and a basis of friendship which is a very solid one.
6:16:15And on this basis, I think that we will continue fighting for many of the same causes in the future.
6:16:20Thank you very much, Mr. President.
6:16:22Muchas gracias, señor presidente.
6:16:24It's been a great pleasure talking with you.
6:16:25It's a great pleasure.
6:16:26Thank you.
6:16:30Vote with us.
6:16:31Please.
6:16:32Yes, please.
6:16:34Could you get Mrs. Nixon, please?
6:16:36Yes, sir.
6:16:37Mrs. Nixon.
6:17:13Good afternoon, Your Majesty.
6:17:18I have disturbed you this afternoon to present to you my views on a subject that I consider to be of the greatest importance, the vote in the United Nations on Chinese representation, which will occur on Tuesday.
6:17:37I disturbed you this afternoon to present my views on a subject to which I attach the greatest importance.
6:17:45It is the vote on the United Nations on the Chinese representation, which will probably take place on Tuesday.
6:17:55As you know, since we had the opportunity to meet in 1957, I've always had the very greatest respect for you and also for the independence and integrity of your country.
6:18:07And because I cherish our personal relationship,
6:18:26I want to speak to you in the frankest terms about this important issue.
6:18:30It is my conviction that
6:18:44The removal of an honorable member of the United Nations by a simple majority vote would be a precedent of the most disastrous consequences, which could have the most serious implications for the future survival of this organization.
6:19:01I am convinced that the withdrawal of an honorable member of the United Nations
6:19:08And for this reason, I
6:19:27I would ask you to consider voting with the United States in favor of making the issue of expelling the government of Taiwan an important question.
6:19:39and at the same time to support the position in establishing this matter as one of priority during Tuesday's deliberation.
6:19:49And for this reason, I would like to ask you to consider voting with the United States on the issue that considers expulsion as an important issue,
6:20:13I believe this is in the interest of the United Nations in the future, because if any member can be expelled at any time by a simple majority vote, this could unravel the organization in years to come.
6:20:31Je pense que ceci est dans l'intérêt des Nations Unies et de leur avenir car si n'importe quel membre peut être expulsé à une majorité simple, cela peut avoir des conséquences très sérieuses et désagréger l'organisation.
6:20:48And if you could find it possible to vote with the United States on this issue alone, that is of the important question, I would consider it a very great personal favor.
6:20:58And if you could vote with the United States on this only question, the important question, I would feel personally very, very grateful.
6:21:12And I look forward, Your Majesty, to our meeting again at some time.
6:21:16I know we have planned it, but events have intervened, and Mrs. Nixon and I look forward to welcoming Your Majesty at a time convenient to you in our country.
6:21:29Your Majesty, I am delighted to see you again.
6:21:33I know we had planned a new meeting,
6:21:36Les événements ne l'ont pas permise.
6:21:39Je sais qu'elle va être prévue à une autre date.
6:21:42Et Madame Nixon et moi-même, nous réjouissons à l'idée de vous souhaiter la bienvenue ici.
6:21:51Allô?
6:21:55Thank you.
6:21:55Allô?
6:21:56Allô, oui?
6:22:04His Majesty would like to thank you, Mr. President, for your kind expressions.
6:22:08Thank you, ma'am.
6:22:12Please convey my best personal greetings to Mrs. Nixon.
6:22:18Hello?
6:22:24Hello, hello, we can't hear you well.
6:22:34I have personally looked into this matter of China.
6:22:42I know that it is a highly delicate issue.
6:22:50I have explained this to Mr. Rockwell.
6:22:52Hello, we can't hear you.
6:23:08And it was my intention to look into this matter again this afternoon with my government.
6:23:20I want you to tell the President that I fully understand the concern of the United States.
6:23:29Hello?
6:23:31Hello?
6:23:32Hello?
6:23:36Hello, we can't hear you anymore.
6:23:38Hello.
6:23:38Hello.
6:23:39Hello, tell Mr. President that... Hello, hello.
6:23:45Yes, yes.
6:23:45Tell Mr. President that I'm calling from Telepolis.
6:23:52That you are...
6:24:07I want you to tell the President that I'm deeply touched by the fact that he has called me personally.
6:24:27And I want you to convey to the President my wishes for his personal happiness and prosperity.
6:24:40And I will not fail to send you a message regarding our position.
6:24:45That is all.
6:24:47Thank you very much, Your Majesty.
6:24:52Hello, Drew?
6:24:55Hello?
6:31:27Attorney General, please.
6:31:28Thank you, sir.
6:31:34General Hague?
6:31:34Yes, thank you.
6:31:35Yeah.
6:31:36President, sir.
6:31:37Yeah.
6:31:38Hello.
6:31:38Yes, sir.
6:31:39Yeah, I noted that I just got back that Rogers had a call for me.
6:31:44Do you know what it's about?
6:31:45I think he wanted to give you an update on the U.N.
6:31:47Okay, fine.
6:31:48I just talked to him.
6:31:49I just want to know if there wasn't anything new on India-Pakistan or anything like that.
6:31:52No, there are no crises.
6:31:54He's concerned about the vote.
6:31:57that we've gotten the Portuguese but the Belgians are now wavering and that's of course essential to us because we could lose Luxembourg too.
6:32:07He doesn't want me to call them does he?
6:32:08No, no he does not sir and I just really think if we're going to lose then the best thing to do is to back your prestige out of it especially with those more important European powers.
6:32:21I'm not sure that that is going to happen but he's
6:32:25a little more pessimistic than he was yesterday.
6:32:27Now, the... Well, they're doing everything they can.
6:32:33We're doing everything... And they can't...
6:32:36This ridiculous claim that we're not behind them is just...
6:32:39Certainly, they may claim that, but I don't see how they can.
6:32:42No, it's sheer nonsense, and anyone that uses it knows it.
6:32:45Yeah.
6:33:09Get them anyway.
6:33:10Yeah.
6:33:12Yeah.
6:33:14Yeah, go ahead.
6:33:16Now, Henry just sent another message.
6:33:19He is staying there another 24 hours, and we'll leave at the same time.
6:33:23Right.
6:33:23Okay.
6:33:24One time.
6:33:26Everything else is all right.
6:33:28Right.
6:33:29Okay.
6:33:30Thank you.
6:33:30Fine, Mr. President.
6:33:31Yes, please.
6:33:35Secretary Rogers, please.
6:33:36Thank you.
6:33:40Hello?
6:33:40Secretary Rogers.
6:33:43President.
6:33:43Oh, Mr. President.
6:33:44Hi, Bill.
6:33:45I just wanted to tell you that the calls you made have been, I think, quite successful.
6:33:49Except Italy and Mexico, though, huh?
6:33:52Yeah, I'm going out to my house to see the Mexican foreign minister right now, but...
6:33:56case of... What, Italy?
6:33:57Italy going to abstain?
6:33:58Yes.
6:33:59God damn them.
6:34:00That's a courageous damn thing to do, isn't it?
6:34:04On the other hand, they could have gone the other way, I suppose.
6:34:07That's right.
6:34:08Portugal finally came through this morning, so they're going to vote yes.
6:34:12As you know, Morocco, that call of the... Well, that's the only one I felt confident about.
6:34:18Yeah.
6:34:18He was really overwhelmed, I think.
6:34:20He was, and I think it was... Did he influence anybody else, you think?
6:34:23I don't think so.
6:34:24Yeah.
6:34:25Now, in the case where we've lost some, we lost Senegal.
6:34:28Yeah.
6:34:29And probably Togo, and that was because of the meeting that Senghor had with Pompidou.
6:34:37Oh.
6:35:10Let me say this.
6:35:13course except for the european countries where we have no choice in the future whenever any african country i mean where they you know we have to do these little dads when they submit them to can they come in the president's call and so forth believe me if they voted against us on this i don't care how it comes out i'm not going to see them because it's the least they can do we don't ask much from them and we give a lot to them really uh it's a pretty goddamn
6:35:41thing.
6:35:41Now, you can't do that to the Mexicans, of course.
6:35:43You can't do it to the Canadians.
6:35:46Well, with the Mexicans, though, I'm going to tell Rabassa that Echeverry had built up an awful lot of goodwill with you.
6:35:52That's right.
6:35:55And with the Mexicans, you could say that we feel that we ought to go together and that we both are going to have good relations with the Chinese communists and with the other...
6:37:08I think, Mr. Brendan, we ought to reconsider the whole idea of putting all our eggs in this multilateral basket.
6:37:15You know, these little countries don't appreciate it when we give them things through these...
6:37:20Absolutely.
6:37:31And all we do is talk about the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the Asian Development Fund, Inter-American Fund.
6:37:41I personally believe myself that we lose enormous advantage there.
6:37:45I couldn't agree more.
6:37:47And also, you know, the thing is that the Peterson Committee and all the rest say, let's do it multilaterally.
6:37:54Well, the reason for that, that's the internationalist.
6:37:56But God damn it, it doesn't help the United States.
6:37:59And it costs us just as much.
6:38:01We have no control, and believe me, when you see what some of these bastards do who run these agencies, they're independent as a hog on ice.
6:38:09Oh, there's no doubt about it.
6:38:11And we don't get any credit at all.
6:38:13Well, how could we reverse it?
6:38:14Well, let me sort of...
6:38:16I would go right at it.
6:38:17I'm for it a thousand percent.
6:38:19That's what Connolly's for it, too.
6:38:20Is he?
6:38:21He is so goddamn mad at the bank and others, well, various banks, because...
6:38:26they don't play our game and he said we ought to find ways of course he isn't trying to he isn't uh of course he'll be a good ally because he can help with the banking and currency mayor but if you find ways i'll support it that's good because uh and i think we've got to with our friends like in latin america the brazil and argentina we've got to play ball with them these little countries that they're so goddamn obnoxious that's right
6:38:48Argentina and Brazil are both going with us now, are they?
6:38:51That's right.
6:38:51That's good.
6:38:52And Argentina is going out of its way to be friendly to us about it.
6:38:56Can they help with any of the little ones I spoke of?
6:38:59Well, we've got them trying to help with Peru.
6:39:01I don't know.
6:39:03Goddamn, Peru.
6:39:05Peru and Ecuador are both against us.
6:39:36If they're for us, fine.
6:39:38You see, one of the reasons we've done things for Latin America is not only because they're close, but also because, as Cabot Lodge used to say in the Eisenhower years, they were a solid vote in the U.N. Now, if they're not a solid vote in the U.N., let's play those that are and hell with the rest of them.
6:39:52That's right.
6:39:53Well, I think we've got to probably face up to the fact we may lose.
6:39:57My guess is we lose by three or four votes now, particularly if Belgium switches.
6:40:01I've got a call in for Harmel right now.
6:40:04Why would Belgium switch?
6:40:11Yeah.
6:40:12And Belgium, Harmel is the man that stood out all by himself.
6:40:16He said he'd resign rather than vote the other way.
6:40:19They've just had a cabinet meeting, and I don't know the outcome, but he's been great.
6:40:26He's just been a stalwart.
6:40:28Now, I don't know that we've got any leverage at all.
6:40:47I think we'll lose by three or four votes.
6:40:48Be my guess.
6:40:49Right now, our count is that we're one ahead.
6:40:53One or two ahead, but I think they'll be slippage.
6:40:56We've got some soft numbers there.
6:40:58We have soft ones, we don't think they have any.
6:41:01That's right.
6:41:03None of theirs we could work on at this point.
6:41:04No, most of theirs, we worked on every one on their list.
6:41:08Most of them are ones like the southern Yemen and the Sudan and Syria.
6:41:13Jesus Christ, they shouldn't even be in the damn United Nations.
6:41:16I know, yeah.
6:41:17Southern Yemen, now isn't that a great place?
6:41:18That's right.
6:41:20The ones that they have are just Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Bulgaria, Burma, Burundi, Belarus, Cameroon, Canada, Central, Ceylon, Chile, Cuba, Czechoslovakia,
6:41:38I spoke to that woman about Salon.
6:41:43I don't suppose it did any good.
6:41:45No, she's pretty well committed the other way.
6:41:48She wouldn't go.
6:41:49You couldn't ask them just as a courtesy to go abstain, could you?
6:41:54They're right there.
6:41:56We just helped them on some things.
6:41:59I think you might just try an abstention.
6:42:00We might try an abstention, but I think the problem was that she was committed way back.
6:42:04See, the Chinese do quite a lot for them.
6:42:08Ah, that's right.
6:42:08Well, forget it, forget it.
6:42:09They get a lot of their foodstuffs.
6:42:10That's right.
6:42:11They have a trading deal.
6:42:12You're right, you're right.
6:42:12They can't do it.
6:42:13And they were committed long before she got here, so I didn't really press her.
6:42:17I understand.
6:42:18But you got Guinea and Hungary and Iceland.
6:42:22Now, Iceland is too bad.
6:42:28Iraq, Kuwait.
6:42:31Kenya's possibility, we're meeting with the Kenyans right now.
6:42:35Good.
6:42:37Put anything on you need.
6:42:39I mean, I'll do anything.
6:42:42Even visit the goddamn places if necessary.
6:42:46But let me say...
6:42:48There isn't any two ways about it from this boat demonstrates the weakness of the multilateral assistance.
6:42:54It also demonstrates that when they come running in here and they want us to do these nice little things, the hell with them unless it's something in it for us.
6:43:01That's right.
6:43:02Nothing in it for us.
6:43:03Exactly the way I feel.
6:43:04Exactly.
6:43:05That's the way they're treated by the other side.
6:43:07So we'll treat them that way.
6:43:08Exactly.
6:43:09We've got to get some bilateral aid to help.
6:43:13Now in these African countries that helped us, we've got to do a few little things to help them.
6:43:16We've taken away from those that didn't help us.
6:43:18Absolutely.
6:43:20I'm for that.
6:43:20Well, I think that if we lose, it would be better for you not to say anything.
6:43:25And we'll either have George Bush say it, or maybe George Bush and I both express our regrets.
6:43:30We'll work out some... Al has asked for some contingency plans.
6:43:33We'll have them over to time.
6:43:35I think it should be...
6:43:36I think if we lose...
6:43:41it just doesn't make any sense probably for me to get into it.
6:43:45It doesn't.
6:43:46It's just one of those damn things.
6:43:47Incidentally, it...
6:43:50the right wing will have its problems with this.
6:43:52We know that.
6:43:54We've made a good fight, but on the other hand, I think even without the China visit, it probably was going to be lost.
6:44:02It's been a witch year.
6:44:04We were losing all the time, weren't we?
6:44:06The Italians and all the rest.
6:44:08I think one thing, too, that we can be pleased that we've done every possible thing we can do, and I don't think there's anybody that has any...
6:44:18Any doubts about that?
6:44:19See, I've got Hymel on the phone.
6:44:21Okay, got it.
6:44:22Yes, please.
6:44:25Operator?
6:44:29Secretary Rogers, please.
6:44:30Thank you.
6:44:31Hello?
6:44:33Mr. President, Secretary Rogers is en route back to his office.
6:44:36We'll be there in about 15 to 20 minutes.
6:44:38Okay.
6:44:39Call me then.
6:44:40Will do, sir.
6:44:45Colson, please.
6:44:46Thank you.
6:44:49Mr. Colson.
6:44:50Good afternoon, sir.
6:44:51Where are you today?
6:44:52I'm right in my office.
6:44:54Oh, you're staying here.
6:44:54Yes, sir.
6:44:55Well, how are things going?
6:44:56Well, it was just a good day, a good quiet day to get caught up on things.
6:45:00I think things went well over the weekend, Mr. President.
6:45:03We caught a little bit more of the snide commentary time in Newsweek gave us just what I figured they would.
6:45:12Well, maybe not quite as bad as I thought.
6:45:16on the court appointments.
6:45:18They were very good on the appointees, I must say.
6:45:20They gave good write-ups to both the
6:45:23Powell and Rehnquist, and most of the publicity over the weekend.
6:45:25I don't know how much of it you saw, but...
6:45:27I saw the news summary.
6:45:28I thought it was pretty good on the two...
6:45:30It's all right.
6:45:31Sure.
6:45:31No problem.
6:45:32They're going to stick us a bit on the style, but... Yeah.
6:45:35But Time and Newsweek were bound to it because of their...
6:45:38They had to.
6:45:39They were out on a limb, weren't they?
6:45:40Both of them, and it read that way.
6:45:43Each of them manufactured pretty much the same story, that it was...
6:45:48hoping up until the end that it could be Friday and Lilly, and then the rug got pulled out, and therefore they came up with choices that had been second ones, but at least they got in there that they'd always been in the consideration.
6:46:03It wasn't too bad.
6:46:04I think time was even a little straighter than Newsweek for a change.
6:46:08That's all right.
6:46:09The stories will never catch up with the television.
6:46:11No, not with 47 million people who saw that.
6:46:15Absolutely not.
6:46:18And as long as the articles about the nominees, about Rehnquist and Powell, are running as good as they are, that's really what people care about.
6:46:27Yeah, that's right.
6:46:28That's right.
6:46:28All this business about how it's done, only the Washington set's interested in that.
6:46:31That's correct.
6:46:32I thought your radio speech came off very well.
6:46:35I think the points were well made, and you delivered it very well, and the press on it today has been excellent.
6:46:42The Post didn't feature it quite as well as I thought they would, but the Times gave it the lead story, as you probably saw.
6:46:51It isn't much of a story, really.
6:46:54You know what I mean?
6:46:56It's basically just a...
6:46:58Well, it was good.
6:47:00But what I mean, there's no big news in it.
6:47:03No, it's the kind of thing that all of the local television last night had lengthy excerpts from it.
6:47:10It played.
6:47:12Both stations, I watched two of them last evening, and they both played lengthy excerpts from it.
6:47:18The radio replayed it.
6:47:19It was on the Today Show this morning.
6:47:22lengthy excerpts on the Today Show.
6:47:24So it shows you the device is pretty effective.
6:47:26It really is.
6:47:27It's damned effective when you consider that it... Well, it was a good Veterans Day speech, actually.
6:47:32It was.
6:47:32It was good, and doing it on Sunday gave us the added play today, which I think was good.
6:47:38Scott and Ford got their...
6:47:40U.N. statement out.
6:47:43That's going to be very tough.
6:47:44I'm afraid we may lose by a couple, three votes.
6:47:47Well, George Bush claims that he thinks he may have a vote or two.
6:47:54well i hope but you're just working on that today the belgians we may lose if that kill us but the europeans are working hard on them well no one can say you haven't tried i talked to bill rogers oh christ rodgers is working his butt off he really is he called me sunday morning and he said is there anything we can do with the agronsky program and i said well it's just a local washington show but he said well maybe i'll call the panelists on it he
6:48:20He just was searching for everything.
6:48:23I think I've got George Bush on the Today Show in the morning, or CBS News, and let him get a... Well, we'll have to take some ricochets from the right on this, but we'll just ride it through.
6:48:36Well, I think the case we have to make to him and can make to him, Mr. President, is the enormous effort that was put in, that it was inevitable, and...
6:48:48I think we can make a good case with the right.
6:48:51They're so damned happy right now over these two court appointments, Cat.
6:48:54They ought to be.
6:48:55Kilpatrick was on a couple of the shows this weekend.
6:48:58I noticed that, yeah.
6:49:00And he was just over the top.
6:49:01I wouldn't be worried necessarily.
6:49:03I mean, I told Dick Moore, he did some background for both times this week, and I said I didn't think it would help.
6:49:10But he may have gotten a little stuff across to him.
6:49:12Well, there are a few of Moore's quotes in there that are good, indicating that these
6:49:18had been under consideration.
6:49:20He helped to turn it over.
6:49:21Sure, of course.
6:49:22But try to persuade these press people.
6:49:26Well, let them write it the way they want.
6:49:28We hit Rather very hard, and he promised he would give us a balancing story, which he didn't, but he did play up the Gallup poll, which played well, by the way, on the radio, on the wires, and the newspapers, I thought, did pretty well by it.
6:49:48uh yeah the story didn't carry it but they don't subscribe to gallop oh no how about uh what's the uh what is it when is the harris thing on muskie coming out that's this thursday mr president that'll be here i think that'll have quite an effect oh that's kind of that's i just read you a portion of it but the whole three pages of his column is just well it's it's devastating to muskie but more importantly it's a real it's a real build up to you it says that
6:50:16Yeah, here it is.
6:50:17It talks really about how it's not only muskie declining, but you're gaining.
6:50:23And you're gaining strength from all of the recent initiatives.
6:50:29And that's before the Russian thing and before the trip to Charlotte and the textiles.
6:50:36That's right.
6:50:38So before the pretty good week this week, too.
6:50:41Well, really, the last...
6:50:42The Supreme Court, I'm sure, is going to be more plus than minus, I think.
6:50:46I'm just confident of that.
6:50:47It'll be quite a bit more plus.
6:50:49Much more plus.
6:50:50You know, the prevailing thought, Oberdorfer caught it in this column of his yesterday, which you may have seen in the story.
6:50:57Yes, I did.
6:50:57The front page article.
6:50:58Yeah.
6:50:59But the prevailing thought is that you have so seized the initiative on these issues.
6:51:04And the court thing, to those of us around Washington, we...
6:51:09get all concerned about how the selections were made and the infighting and all that.
6:51:13The people in the... Who affects the president and why did he do it that way?
6:51:16That's right.
6:51:17Why didn't he do this and that with the court?
6:51:19But, I mean, with the ABA, well, the hell with them.
6:51:21Sure.
6:51:22I considered a woman.
6:51:23I considered a senator.
6:51:24That's right.
6:51:24That was a compliment to them.
6:51:26What the hell?
6:51:27Well, the important thing is the activism, the presidential leadership, the strong leadership across...
6:51:36all of these issues and everybody here i think recognizes these are my choices too yes you know this somebody didn't recommend them to me you know what i mean that goes well in a sense i think that's uh that's a good thing also that's what i mean yeah i think that's good that's a good line to get across it is it's a damn good line and and it's it's important that comes through in the time of newsweek stories i mean they do it in the nastiest way but they said the president was keeping his own counsel and
6:52:05even though they say you did it at the last minute, he did make these picks, and they were his selections.
6:52:12But I think...
6:52:13They point out, I suppose, I wrote the speech.
6:52:15Yes, they both get that very well, that you dictated it and Manola delivered the tapes to Rosewoods, and then you spent the day on Wednesday, or day on Thursday, rather, preparing the speech.
6:52:29It's interesting, I think it's, I don't know which one, whether it's Time or Newsweek, they contradict themselves by saying that
6:52:36You were rebuffed by the ABA and Wednesday night had to pick two new candidates.
6:52:42But then earlier in the same story, they say that you called Powell on Tuesday.
6:52:47Sure, I did.
6:52:48To invite him.
6:52:50So in that sense, they contradict themselves.
6:52:53That's one good thing we have.
6:52:54We did call Powell.
6:52:55Of course, we had Rehnquist on sale all the time.
6:52:59Mitchell had Rehnquist recommended by Monday.
6:53:04well i think the overwhelming publicity is that there are two damn good men and the public impression is of a terribly effective speech which you gave last thursday night and i think i think the speech was effective from what i have heard from people i've talked to they extremely affected i mean as a television speech it was just apparently quite effective it went over well well it was it was as you so often do a 10 strike because they you caught you just caught a mood that was just right and
6:53:33You were on top of things.
6:53:34I keep hearing from people now the same kind of thing that Tommy Meskell, the governor of Connecticut, told me.
6:53:41The same attitude you get from an awful lot of people, which is the president has kind of made us feel a part of things, and we kind of want to help him.
6:53:50And I got a letter this morning from a fellow that used to be a client of mine, actually.
6:53:58I did some work for him, but he confirmed hard rock Democrat Leon Albert in New York.
6:54:04And he was an enormous contributor to Jack Kennedy.
6:54:09And he wrote me a letter.
6:54:10Jewish?
6:54:10Jewish, yeah.
6:54:11Wrote me a letter this morning and he said, I just want to tell you, I have come full circle.
6:54:17He said, I'm still a Democrat and have been all my life, but I pledge myself 100% to your boss.
6:54:23He said, he's...
6:54:26honest and he's tough and he's trying to do the right thing and I think we ought to get behind him and I want to support him.
6:54:35It was startling from this guy because he's, as I say, a lifelong Democrat.
6:54:39But there are a hell of a lot of people that are feeling that way.
6:54:42Now this fellow will probably shake down and get some campaign support out of it and maybe some help in the
6:54:49in the Jewish community is a lot of influence among the professional Jews.
6:54:55You know, the thing that's interesting to me, and we're going to have a hell of a lot more of this, is that the Democrats are all thrashing around, Muskie's thrashing, and of course Mills is hitting hard, he's really rough, and Jackson's hitting hard, and Kennedy is.
6:55:15But they're having a hell of a time...
6:55:18The economy is basically our toughest issue because it really gets down to what the hell happens.
6:55:24You see, when you look at Harris's poll, it still shows that while the people approve of the policy, they still have a negative rating as far as jobs, unemployment, and all that is concerned, even though we're doing a little better in each field.
6:55:39Oh, much better.
6:55:41But I think on the economy, though, I have this feeling that...
6:55:45I may be wrong, but that...
6:55:48In some way, it's the last of this year.
6:55:50It ought to start bubbling up some.
6:55:52And, thank God, if it doesn't, we're just wrong.
6:55:55Well, I think the one, two things I would say to that, Mr. President.
6:55:59One is that you've got a major, we've got a major problem right now with Arthur Burns, not to let him slip back and... On money supply.
6:56:07Yes, sir.
6:56:08And when you see Conley... Amen, yeah.
6:56:10I think, well, I think Conley maybe you want to use as the cutting edge on this.
6:56:13I don't... Mm-hmm.
6:56:16conley or schultz but somebody has got to just talk political horse sense to that guy he just well i made myself god he's got such an incredible ego ho blu has sent me down a proof of a of an article that's being written about conley for the i mean written about burns for the january issue of the reader's digest and throughout it you can see where he in talking to the interviewer he takes full credit for that
6:56:43as he puts it, changing your mind and putting across the new economic program.
6:56:48He opposed the whole international part.
6:56:50Well, and then he, throughout this article, he just talks about how, you know, how his influence has been the dominant influence through the years on you.
6:57:00God, man must have an incredible ego.
6:57:02He does say in here, there's one quote he has, which is the only decent thing he gave us in the whole damn article is,
6:57:08Nixon had the personal courage and intellectual capacity to see that an old policy was not working and to change the nation's course without fear of what the critics might say.
6:57:17Well, that's the, in six pages, that's the only... Well, we've got to play as goddamn egos, we will.
6:57:23The other thing I'd say on the economy, though, Mr. President, I think is very important.
6:57:28I'm convinced it's going to get better and...
6:57:33You are?
6:57:34Yes, sir.
6:57:35And I don't think it's as... A lot of people are, but it doesn't show.
6:57:39Well, it shows in some ways.
6:57:42I think the... Well, we hear all isolated reports, but it doesn't simply show in the figures yet.
6:57:48Well, it hasn't shown.
6:57:49It didn't show in the GNP.
6:57:51On the other hand, retail sales, even though automobiles distort it, are good.
6:57:58I still think the unemployment figures, when they're done honestly, are going to be lower than they are now.
6:58:05Certainly the cost of living figures... That was all right.
6:58:08That's damn good.
6:58:09Damn well ought to be.
6:58:11The market is going through one of their periodic cycles.
6:58:14I think they'll... Oh, yeah.
6:58:15I think it'll move up toward the end.
6:58:17Well, every person I talk to predicts it.
6:58:20But the important thing is, from a political standpoint, obviously the best of all worlds would be if the economy is booming next year.
6:58:28The second best, however...
6:58:31is if you're correctly pastured.
6:58:32In other words, you're fighting unemployment.
6:58:36You're the fellow who's fighting the high prices.
6:58:39And you're on the right side of the issues.
6:58:41And I think even if it doesn't pick up as much as we would like it to, I think you're better pastured today than you've ever been.
6:58:49the public not feeling that we care that much.
6:58:52They now look at you as the fellow who's... Yeah, we've got to keep that up front and center.
6:58:57I think Rumsfeld will be a help in that respect.
6:58:59He's doing beautifully, I must say.
6:59:01Let's keep him out.
6:59:02This is the first time Rummy has really... We've found him a niche.
6:59:06Now let's let him get out and sell like hell.
6:59:08Well, and he's doing well.
6:59:09Every time he's been going on, he's been making some news for a change.
6:59:13And he kind of likes it.
6:59:14I talked to him today about doing some things.
6:59:16Tell him to do everything he can.
6:59:17Yeah, he's kind of turned down for it.
6:59:20Muskie, I thought, did a damn poor job yesterday on Face the Nation.
6:59:24I didn't see it.
6:59:25Well, he...
6:59:26I don't look at those, of course, but that's...
6:59:28I noticed the news summary said he was at times good, times not so good, and so forth, so I imagine that's... Well, his style is effective.
6:59:35He's got a low-key style that doesn't really...
6:59:39Irritate.
6:59:40Irritate anybody, but he just goes to extremes to avoid answering questions.
6:59:44I mean, he really waffles, and...
6:59:47I think anybody watching that, I watched it, kept trying to take notes of things that I thought he would be vulnerable on.
6:59:52Couldn't find much.
6:59:53I got all through.
6:59:54I had a blank piece of paper.
6:59:55There wasn't any place where you could pin him down.
6:59:58You couldn't give him any points one way or another.
7:00:00It just was kind of a draw.
7:00:02And I think with this poll Thursday and the internal bickering he's gotten involved in in the Democratic Party, I think he's going to start down very fast.
7:01:43Well, they'll approve our two judges.
7:01:44That'll be a good news story this month.
7:01:46Yes.
7:01:46Yes, I think.
7:01:47No question about that.
7:01:48And also, they ought to get a tax bill out.
7:01:50That'll be a good news story.
7:01:51That should be out within, what, two or three weeks, I would think.
7:01:55We need it.
7:01:55Three weeks.
7:01:56That'll help the market.
7:01:58Yeah, sure it will.
7:01:59Bound to.
7:02:01And the automobile sales are bound to begin to have a filtering effect on other industries.
7:02:09That just...
7:02:10That just inevitably happens, and they've continued at a tremendous pace.
7:02:17So I think with the initiative is the key, and you've, the momentum, you've stayed out front on all of these.
7:02:26I just, I think Overdorf, his piece was right yesterday.
7:02:30He must have heard him to write it.
7:02:32Yeah, that's all right.
7:02:33I'm sure it pained him, but it's true.
7:02:38Well, they'll keep,
7:02:40scrapping away and we just try to keep on top of them.
7:02:44We'll stay out front of them.
7:02:45Okay.
7:02:46Thank you, Mr. President.
7:02:50Mr. President, Secretary Rogers returning your call.
7:02:53Okay.
7:02:54Mr. President, sir.
7:02:56Hello, Mr. President.
7:02:57Why, you're not playing golf today, are you?
7:02:59No, sir.
7:03:00No, I just spent the whole two or three hours with the foreign minister of Mexico, who's a terrible bore.
7:03:05Yeah.
7:03:06I can't tell.
7:03:07You know what's happened, Mr. Brennan, on these things is that the communists have been pretty clever.
7:03:13They have worked it out with Belgium and Peru to establish diplomatic relations, and they have it announced tomorrow, just before the vote.
7:03:24They've been damn clever people.
7:03:28We had Peru on our side.
7:03:30You did, really?
7:03:32Well, we changed their mind.
7:03:33Velasco said he'd agree with us, and then after the foreign minister...
7:03:38Talked to him later on and he reversed his position again and said they were going to announce the diplomatic relations They were afraid that it would upset their plans if they voted with us.
7:03:47Well, you can tell them it doesn't upset our plans were We've told them everything we can tell them.
7:03:54I know you sure I
7:03:55Well, God, haven't you?
7:03:57You've got an A for effort, and that's important.
7:03:59Well, I tell you, I don't suppose in the history of the country we've ever made a more vigorous effort.
7:04:04Well, you know, really, when you come down to it, you've been up there seeing 95 ministers and talking to them, and my God, I don't think in the history of the country the president's ever made long distance calls before.
7:04:15I know it.
7:04:16To a king, a prime minister, a president.
7:04:18That's right.
7:04:19And, you know, we really put the heat on them.
7:04:23But I think it does show that we've got the...
7:04:25start looking to see who our friends are and we've got to play it real hard because taking this case on mexico i told him i told him i said look at you your president has established a very good rapport with president nixon he's just going to lose it i mean we just you put it that way good i said we're going to have good relations with you and so forth
7:05:32Well, but the Belgians are going to go the other way, are they?
7:05:38I'm afraid so.
7:05:38I talked to Harmel, and I told him that you'd talk to their prime minister if he thought of being a guy.
7:05:44He said, we could give you an explanation.
7:05:45I said, I don't want an explanation.
7:05:48I want your vote.
7:05:49That's a good way to tell him.
7:05:51Well, they've been good, but... Well, Harmel himself has been awfully good.
7:05:55I know, I know, and he probably wants it, and...
7:05:58I think he may have to resign as a result of this, poor fellow.
7:06:03They've had a major problem over there.
7:06:06And the socialists are against him, and I have a long telegram about it, and he's been a very good friend.
7:06:14I know he has.
7:06:14He's a first-class man.
7:06:16Well, I guess it wouldn't do to call our prime minister, not at this point.
7:06:20Not unless we think that he has some chance.
7:06:25I'll keep in touch with you.
7:06:26I'm glad you kept on Peru, though.
7:06:29Keep the human Velasco.
7:06:32We could do something for Peru.
7:06:33I mean, it isn't going to hurt their relations with the Chinese.
7:06:37For Christ's sakes, what the hell goods are their relations with the Chinese going to do them?
7:06:40Well, that's the point.
7:06:41What goods are going to do them compared with what good we can do them?
7:06:44That's right.
7:06:45The Chinese haven't got anything to sell them.
7:06:46They haven't got anything to buy from them.
7:06:48That's what I mean, to buy from them.
7:06:50And they just are playing for their...
7:06:55selling they're trading something very good for something very uncertain but they all think they can they can count on us they can take us for granted we've got to change that they've got to feel they've got to feel that i guess that that we we we do not take these things lightly and i incidentally i feel that uh if if it works that way that uh without uh we won't uh won't make any announcements right but just one just on such for example on such as i mentioned
7:07:25Things that are symbolic, but to them very important.
7:07:28Visits and so forth.
7:07:30By God, I'm not going to see them.
7:07:32That's right.
7:07:32We could at least take that away.
7:07:34And then when we get to the aid things and the rest, countries that are with us, we'll help.
7:07:38And the others, Christ, let the Chinese help them.
7:07:40Exactly.
7:07:41Exactly.
7:07:41If they want to choose them, they go to China for their help.
7:07:43Exactly.
7:07:44They've chosen their way.
7:07:46I couldn't agree more.
7:07:47I just think that's how we have to handle it, and we can't say it publicly.
7:07:52Not a word, and let's never even leak or anything of that sort, but as you well know, these things come across the desk every day.
7:08:00And we'll just say, no, we won't recommend a visit, by the way, than that.
7:08:04And I'm not going to see them.
7:08:05I have never.
7:08:06Sengar or these bastards are hell with them.
7:08:08I'm not going to see them again.
7:08:09I haven't been involved in something as much as this since the campaign, I should say, in 60.
7:08:16Yeah.
7:08:17I've been on the phone every second with these people, and I tell you...
7:08:22You haven't got many chips, huh?
7:08:23Yeah, we don't have many chips.
7:08:26We do have many chips, but they don't believe that the United States, when the chips are down, will ever be anything but tolerant.
7:08:34Is that it?
7:08:35Exactly.
7:08:35Because we never have been.
7:08:36We've always...
7:08:38I'm glad you have taken a very strong position on Yendi, incidentally.
7:08:42That's been good.
7:08:43Yeah.
7:08:43I mean, that at least shows that we've got a...
7:08:46Something, and on Peru, by God, we'll do the same thing.
7:08:48Yeah.
7:08:49Well, Peru has been pretty good, though, lately.
7:08:51They've been...
7:08:52I know, I know.
7:08:52On this vote.
7:08:53On this vote, yes.
7:08:55That's what I meant.
7:08:55On this, we've got to slap them on the wrist a little, don't you think?
7:08:59That's right.
7:09:37I mean, way down deep inside.
7:09:38I think that's true of Europe, too, Bill.
7:09:40It is.
7:09:40It's certainly true of France.
7:09:42You take France.
7:09:43The British, they basically have a position we can understand.
7:09:47But the Europeans, a lot of them, are, I think, under the circle.
7:09:54They just feel, well, there's just a jealousy and envy of the United States.
7:09:58There's no doubt about it.
7:09:59And they're going to take it out on us.
7:10:01Well...
7:10:02We just have to do a few things ourselves.
7:10:04And I couldn't agree more, though, that I think we've got to re-examine our support of the multilateral organizations.
7:10:11No doubt about it.
7:10:12We really have to re-examine it.
7:10:16We pour in that money, and, you know, I stopped to think of the time for
7:10:21for IDA and all the rest.
7:10:23Good God, that was in the 69, how, you know, we put a lot of prestige behind getting the Congress to approve it when they didn't want to.
7:10:30Well, to hell with it.
7:10:30Next time we won't do it.
7:10:32We don't get any credit at all for that.
7:10:34They just take that for granted.
7:10:35Do they?
7:10:36Absolutely.
7:10:37None at all.
7:10:38I'll be damned.
7:10:39Well, look, let me tell you, don't have anybody send over to me the next time, well, we've got to support IDA or we've got to support
7:10:47uh, that's uh, inter-American development, or da-da-da-da-da, the hell with it.
7:10:51That's uh, we'll, we'll find some other things to support.
7:10:55You know, with all, the thing is, that with all the bitching about foreign aid, so-called, goddammit, that's what the Congress ought to be approving.
7:11:02They ought to approve foreign aid so that we, we, can do it directly.
7:11:07Exactly.
7:11:07And, uh, we'll get a few of these congressmen and senators in after this thing.
7:11:11I think you should and say, look, let's have some cold turkey talks about what is in our interest.
7:11:16And we help here, and we don't help there.
7:11:18Passman will help us on that.
7:11:20Oh, he'll be great.
7:11:21Yeah.
7:11:22We can use him.
7:11:23Use him, because these international organizations, he's got that big list, you know.
7:11:27That's right.
7:11:28And so, all right, Otto.
7:11:30John Rooney will be helpful, too.
7:11:32And we'll go to Terrible Otto.
7:11:35We'll get him in.
7:11:36and say, all right, how about some of these?
7:11:39Well, he'll cut their balls off.
7:11:41Also, I must say, the U.N. isn't going to do very well in its appropriation next time.
7:11:45They're not going to.
7:11:46Jerry Sports says he's only going to be able to get half of what we've had in the past.
7:11:49That's right.
7:11:50That's right.
7:11:51So they're going to have problems.
7:11:53Utah will have to cut down its staff.
7:11:55That's too bad.
7:11:56It's too bad.
7:11:57There's that many less against us.
7:11:58That's a fact.
7:12:00Well, anyway, keep at it.
7:12:03You never know.
7:12:04You might still win it.
7:12:05Well, we're about even right now.
7:12:07Sort of a long shot.
7:12:08That's right.
7:12:09All right, Mr. President.
7:12:10Thank you very much.
7:12:11Bye.
7:12:14Mr. President, I have General Haig calling you.
7:12:16All right.
7:12:16Mr. President, sir.
7:12:18Yes.
7:12:19Hello.
7:12:19Hello, Mr. President.
7:12:21Yes, sir.
7:12:22We can do this, move the Tito meeting till Friday from Saturday.
7:12:27Would you do that then?
7:12:29It'll at least give me an option in case I want to take Saturday off.
7:12:32Right, sir.
7:12:33So we'll proceed that way and also set up the second meeting for Madam Gandy on Friday.
7:12:40Right.
7:12:41Now, we have one thing, sir, that I wanted to...
7:12:44to check with you is the Secretary wants to send a letter from you to Sabana Fuma in Laos.
7:12:54He feels that this could be a very crucial vote at this point.
7:12:57Yeah.
7:12:58And he really wants to come down hard on it with a personal letter from you to Sabana.
7:13:03I have no objection to that.
7:13:05All right.
7:13:05Do you?
7:13:06No, I don't, sir.
7:13:07Damn it, he ought to be with us.
7:13:09He should be with us.
7:13:10My only fear is that...
7:13:11It'll leak out to the Chinese?
7:13:13It'll get to the Chinese, yeah.
7:13:15But we have some evidence of their mischief-making, too.
7:13:20Well, the Chinese are playing that.
7:13:22He makes a personal letter, well.
7:13:28If we could be sure that it was not left with him and read to him by Godly.
7:13:36Why don't you try that?
7:13:38I would feel more comfortable.
7:13:39Why don't you have an oral message, or is that not satisfied?
7:13:44Well, as long as it's written in the first person, I think that's tantamount to leaving a letter.
7:13:49Why don't you have an oral message where Godley goes and talks to him and says that their vote may be the critical one, and I just put it this way, that it now appears that their vote may be the critical one that will determine this issue, that under the circumstances that leaving all other issues aside,
7:14:09that if the Congress can point to the fact that their vote resulted in the expulsion of Taiwan, it would, in my opinion, it would seriously jeopardize their congressional support that I am fighting for.
7:14:28How about putting it that way?
7:14:30I think that's the better way.
7:14:31Just write like that.
7:14:32Yes, sir.
7:14:33The congressional support that I'm fighting for and that I deeply believe in
7:14:37But that we and I would therefore, in order that I can continue to maintain congressional support for the effort in Laos, I would, on a personal basis, would strongly urge that in the interest of that goal, that he would vote with us on this.
7:15:02Fine, sir.
7:15:03I think that's a better way to do it.
7:15:05That indications are that Louse's vote may be the determining vote.
7:15:09Yes, sir.
7:15:09And that this would spotlight.
7:15:11Okay?
7:15:12Very good, sir.
7:15:13Good deal.
7:15:13Fine.
7:15:19Buchanan, please.
7:15:19Thank you.
7:15:24Hello?
7:15:24Yes, sir.
7:15:26Well, I think your conservatives ought to feel pretty good about the court now.
7:15:29Well, they're elated.
7:15:30Those were beautiful.
7:15:32And, you know, we've...
7:15:35despite all that, you know, this sour grapes by some of the press because they were out on a limb, just amuses the hell out of me.
7:15:43The country didn't give a damn about that.
7:15:45They only care about who the hell's appointed, don't you think?
7:15:48That's right.
7:15:48That's right.
7:15:48In fact, you did it on television.
7:15:50That's what they're interested in.
7:15:51Those guys got, you hit that thing right on the head, the qualifications issue.
7:15:56Well, the press trapped themselves on that, didn't they?
7:15:58They really did.
7:15:59You see, well, I guess you didn't get a chance to see it, but
7:16:01Severide and Rather were just sort of swallowing their own spit after the announcement.
7:16:06You know, Severide had gone on just before you went on saying, looks like we're headed for a constitutional crisis.
7:16:11And after he was over, well, he said, Dan, I guess there won't be much trouble confirming these fellows.
7:16:16So it came off very well.
7:16:18Very well.
7:16:19Well, we keep...
7:16:21make our conservatives give us good marks on this, you know.
7:16:24They usually are, oh, they always wonder, what are you going to do for me lately?
7:16:27That's right.
7:16:28But this is the major thing, Pat, the biggest thing we could do.
7:16:31And also, it isn't just doing it, but it's getting it through.
7:16:34Now, we'll get these through the Senate.
7:16:35Right, right.
7:16:36I don't think they can, I think you're going to get some kind of opposition just because it's a political season.
7:16:41Oh, they'll fight Rehnquist, of course.
7:16:43Yeah, but they can't get a majority.
7:16:45They can't get anywhere near a majority.
7:16:46Never, never, never.
7:16:48Okay.
7:16:49Okay, sir.
7:16:49Thank you.
7:16:55Butterfield.
7:16:56Thank you, Mr. President.
7:16:59Yeah.
7:16:59Mr. President, we're trying to reach Mr. Butterfield on Page Boy, and we'll call you as soon as we get him.
7:17:05Oh, no, that's right.
7:17:08Let it go.
7:17:09Let it go.
7:17:09All right.
7:17:10Thank you, sir.
7:17:17Yeah.
7:17:17Mr. President, Mr. Butterfield, we have him now.
7:17:19Yeah.
7:17:20All right.
7:17:20Thank you, sir.
7:17:22hello hello alex yes sir do you know what the uh on the schedule tomorrow you know what we've got on that are you are you home are you i was en route when i got the page boy i do know what we have yeah i've got to make some changes in it in order to make room for something else but what is the situation okay is there 10 o'clock the vice president oh agnes at 10. right 11 15 wally bennett yeah 12 o'clock is uh 10 vietnam veterans who remember that one who
7:17:51back to Vietnam to help out with the parade, and they're back here now.
7:17:541215 is the three-minute audio taping for NAMM.
7:17:57Yeah.
7:17:58And then 3 o'clock is the NSC budget meeting with Conley and Schultz and Haig and Weinberger.
7:18:07That's 3 o'clock.
7:18:08Yeah.
7:18:09And 4 o'clock is John Conley only.
7:18:11Oh, I see.
7:18:12Fine.
7:18:12Okay.
7:18:13Bye.
7:18:13Do you want to order that, sir?
7:18:15Well, uh...
7:18:20if you got connolly on for four yes sir no no wait a minute meeting with connolly on the nsc meeting in three with connolly schultz haig etc is that the one you're talking about and then it's a four o'clock meeting is also in connolly the you have a is yours at four o'clock
7:18:46Sorry to tell you, I don't know.
7:18:48It's either three or four.
7:18:49I can't tell you.
7:18:50I believe, my recollection of the schedule is there is a meeting.
7:18:53We have a three o'clock meeting with Connolly, Schultz, Weinberger.
7:18:57Right.
7:18:57That was on Thursday.
7:18:59That's right.
7:19:00Is that the one you're talking about?
7:19:01I recall Connolly is down by himself a little later.
7:19:04At four o'clock, right.
7:19:07Well, is that all right?
7:19:08Sure.
7:19:10The big meeting is the one you thought of at three.
7:19:12Right.
7:19:21But don't bother with it now.
7:19:28Is it at 11?
7:19:3211.15?
7:19:33Well, the Agnew meeting doesn't need to take more than an hour.
7:19:36That's right.
7:19:37No, that shouldn't take.
7:19:38No, 45 minutes should be enough.
7:19:40Let's see if we could get, and what do you say you have, then the next thing's at 12?
7:19:46Yeah, 11-15 at 12 o'clock is just a 10-minute stand-up for those Vietnam veterans.
7:19:52Yeah, 11 to 12.
7:19:53Let's see if we could get...
7:19:54I need to... You see, Connolly's taking off Thursday, I think, and I'm going to have to see him quite a bit tomorrow.
7:20:00See him a little early.
7:20:01I'd like to see him at... 10-45?
7:20:08No, no, I'd make it 11 o'clock.
7:20:12Well, now, that isn't good.
7:20:13Put him right after... That's not a good idea.
7:20:21What's the start again?
7:20:22You've got what?
7:20:2310 o'clock, then 11.15 is Bennett.
7:20:2612 o'clock is the veterans.
7:20:2912.15 is the tape, and that's all until 3.
7:20:37Maybe we could... Well, the tape is no problem.
7:20:42Of course, the veterans didn't take long, but let's try...
7:20:47Uh, the Bennett, has Bennett thing been confirmed?
7:20:50Yes, sir, he has.
7:20:53Ah, let it go.
7:20:54Roboso, please.
7:21:02Hello?
7:21:02Mr. Roboso didn't answer his phone.
7:21:04They said he was on a boat about 30 minutes out.
7:21:06Should I leave word and hit him call?
7:21:11No, I'll call him in the morning.
7:21:12Thank you.
7:21:12All right.
7:21:17General Haig, please.
7:21:18Thank you.
7:21:18General Haig.
7:21:22Hello?
7:21:23Yes, Mr. President?
7:21:24Any late developments?
7:21:25Yes, sir.
7:21:26I was just sending you a note.
7:21:28It appears as though there may be a vote tonight, which would be to our advantage if it happens.
7:21:33Oh.
7:21:33We've got word now that the Belgians are running down the second issue of the PRC before 3 o'clock.
7:21:41So we lose that?
7:21:42We lose that, and the personal psychological impact of it.
7:21:47And the Peruvians would be the same sometimes.
7:21:50Yeah.
7:21:50Not even physically.
7:21:53Right.
7:21:53We are very anxious to have this little person.
7:22:13I mean, you think we have a chance?
7:22:14Yep.
7:22:16Really?
7:22:17I can't believe that.
7:22:22At least we've done our part.
7:22:27Rogers has really worked on the Mexicans, he said, but it's probably to no avail.
7:22:31But he's putting it to them hard.
7:22:34He says, you know, he told me that he told the Mexican foreign minister, he said, look, here are the president.
7:22:40He says, we're still going to have good relations.
7:22:42The president has a special relationship with Echeverria and so forth.
7:22:46This is going to be a
7:22:47very seriously impaired yeah right yeah
7:23:17Right.
7:23:18Henry gets back what time?
7:23:19He'll now be back at 4 o'clock.
7:23:26I have a meeting with Connolly tomorrow at 4 that is very important, and so I have to go forward with that.
7:23:34So when Henry gets back, why don't you say that I'd like for him to get a little rest and so forth, and that I'd like to see him and say...
7:23:44about 6 to 6.30 for him to come over at the EOB and I'll have dinner with him and talk about it, okay?
7:23:53That'll be a good thing for him.
7:24:04Oh, you follow me, whatever comes up, you call me.
7:24:08Put the call through, whatever happens, okay?
7:24:12You mean it'll be around midnight?
7:24:19Well, it could be that late.
7:24:20Good.
7:24:20You call me, whatever it is.
7:24:23Okay.
7:24:24Everything else, nothing?
7:24:24No, I think everything's been quite quiet.
7:24:33Well, that's great.
7:24:34That's great.
7:24:39That thing is really wound down at the moment, isn't it?
7:24:41Yes, it is.
7:24:49Hurt the north bit of MIS or us?
7:24:51Hurt the south bit of MIS?
7:25:0330 helicopters?
7:25:09Were the helicopters lost in flight or on the ground?
7:25:16Well, that's one of those things.
7:25:20We could replace helicopters.
7:25:23And we should do that, of course.
7:25:29You think the Savannah Puma message will get through in time to affect their voting, huh?
7:25:32Yes, sir, I think it will.
7:25:34We've all been there.
7:25:45Right.
7:25:48at the present time they're against us I got the Laotians Al this is a terrible thing to do they go that way isn't it yeah I understand yeah I suppose you're right well
7:26:19On the other hand, without our help, they're dead.
7:26:23Jack, be right.
7:26:24Anything new in India and Pakistan?
7:26:43No, sir.
7:26:43It's been some, but...
7:27:15That's the product.
7:27:16Yes, the product.
7:27:17Don't you think so?
7:27:18Yes, sir.
7:27:33The Indians oppose it because they don't want to have any infection with it.
7:27:55When Henry was doing this work got fined because of his, he probably needed the 24 hours anyway.
7:28:02I'd like to hold on.
7:28:09I agree.
7:28:10Right.
7:28:10And so set the appointment with him.
7:28:15So 6.30 tomorrow night.
7:28:20Okay.
7:28:20Close one, please.
7:28:23Thank you.
7:28:25Hello.
7:28:25Yes, sir.
7:28:27Any late developments?
7:28:28All right.
7:28:29No, I look here.
7:28:30Can I talk to you?
7:28:34No, sir.
7:28:34The news was kind of quiet this afternoon.
7:28:37Yeah, well, sort of a holiday and that sort of thing.
7:28:39Yes, it was the only late development of any happy consequences that we rained out all the demonstrators today.
7:28:47Yeah, they had a problem, didn't they?
7:28:48One of the blessings of a wet day, I guess.
7:28:51I guess they're going to try their deal tomorrow now, huh?
7:28:53Well, I was just reading a wire service story which said they called it off completely this year.
7:28:59They had had, they only got about 400 out.
7:29:02That's a little less than 10,000, isn't it?
7:29:05Quite a bit.
7:29:05400 persons showed up at the Washington Ironman for the rally.
7:29:08Nearly all of them were organizers of the PCTJ.
7:29:10Yeah.
7:29:11And they, yeah, they'll hold a march for the Redheads tomorrow night.
7:29:19Oh, well, that's fine.
7:29:21But they sure didn't make much of a hit.
7:29:26But a thing to do tomorrow.
7:29:27That's true.
7:29:28You just treat them very gently.
7:29:29You don't have any incidents.
7:29:33Well, you have a marvelous contract tomorrow on bringing in to you those Vietnam veterans who went back to Vietnam as civilians, but for some reason, rebuilding villages.
7:29:45Right.
7:29:45As civilians helping the Vietnamese people.
7:29:49Really an incredible bunch of fellows.
7:29:51Good, good, good.
7:29:52So that's kind of a nice, quiet answer to these fellows.
7:29:57We're not accentuating it too much.
7:29:59We have got some things started this weekend.
7:30:01I didn't mention to you today, but the president of the Common Core, we discovered that... Oh, good.
7:30:08Remember, you mentioned that to me a week ago.
7:30:10Yeah.
7:30:10We've discovered that a number of their policy council members and fellows that we have, over the past seven or eight months, appointed a different job.
7:30:20So I feel we might have a rash of resignation, perhaps.
7:30:26Can we get him to do that?
7:30:27Oh, I think so.
7:30:29We'll call up Will Eberle and Ed Rington.
7:30:32Good God, Ed Rington ought to... Well, he either does or he's out of a job.
7:30:35I thought I might get a little heavy-handed.
7:30:36Yes, and Eberle should, too.
7:30:38And Fleming, Arthur Fleming, Lee.
7:30:39Perhaps.
7:30:40But I think they overplayed the hand of it.
7:30:45You know, after that vote, they commenced to call their board of directors met and voted to censure it.
7:30:54So I think I can, what I'm going to do this week is line up all of the people in the administration who have had these ties with them so I can get them to either resign or if they have already resigned, get them to issue a denouncing.
7:31:20So I will begin to
7:31:22cut into that part a little bit I was just noticing we've got some economic figures that will be coming this week apropos what you were asking about the test guarantee is at least some more retail sales figures although they're a little bit
7:31:46Even despite the marketer?
7:32:16Oh, yeah.
7:32:16It's one of them.
7:32:17Oh, it's down.
7:32:19That's right.
7:32:22Well, we'll see.
7:32:26If it's a good figure, we thought we'd have a little fun with it.
7:32:40Okay.
7:32:41Okay.
7:32:42I was kind of hoping that might be a good one since the market is one of the seven or eight factors in the game that we drift along.
7:32:52Yeah, it drifted again today.
7:32:53Yeah.
7:32:53But I think that's going to pick back up.
7:32:55I just think it's going to get over the fear of liquidity and not always.
7:33:05That's going to catch hold for me.
7:33:06Well, we're not going to worry about the market.
7:33:07No, no, no.
7:33:08The other things are more important.
7:33:09Well, as I said this afternoon, I think the way you're pastured right now is incredible.
7:33:12It picks up great.
7:33:14It keeps going the way it is.
7:33:17You're on the right side of the issue now.
7:33:19And I think that's the important thing.
7:33:23We've got a great thing going up this week.
7:33:40Right.
7:33:43Yeah.
7:33:44Right.
7:33:53That's good.
7:33:56You know, once again, that puts you on the side of cutting unemployment, you know, and shows that you're pushing it, you know, putting the burden on the local government.
7:34:06Right.
7:34:06So that's, those kinds of things, if we can keep doing them, and we have a couple of good ones in the job for reference, I think the public gets the idea that, you know, that we really care about this.
7:34:18Also, our roadshows, by the way, have just been terrific in many ways.
7:34:22the economic direction, you know, we've now covered about two-thirds of the city and I've been looking at the local press for like a little bit, I don't know if I've been getting a damn good amount.
7:34:32Good.
7:34:33Local touch, uh... Sure, that's good.
7:34:35If that helps, then it shows that we're on top of the situation.
7:34:39Which, I'm right at that point, isn't it?
7:34:42So, plus, you may have noticed over the weekend the Democrats are now moving against the PD times they had to use this year.
7:34:51On the court?
7:34:53No, well, they haven't asked specifically for that, but now they've gone to the court to ask for a general ruling that they can answer you any time that you want.
7:35:04It just proves to me that they're feeling the need.
7:35:10Because every time we've had the momentum really going strong, they've started screaming about the use of TV.
7:35:17Yes, of course.
7:35:18And they made a hell of a fuss over the TV series.
7:35:22They won't get him.
7:35:31He's got that area.
7:35:33That's part of the law completely blocked out.
7:35:40The fact that they're asking for it is kind of revealing.
7:35:45Well, okay.
7:35:45Let the figures don't worry about him this week.
7:35:47He may be down a bit.
7:35:50Yeah.
7:35:52I think the feeling is that you guys are not too worried about week-to-week figures as we used to be riding right now.
7:35:59I think that if you're riding as strong as you are, it would have that feeling of leadership, which is very, very strong.
7:36:14We don't need to figure into that.
7:36:15We used to worry about them a lot more than we do now.
7:36:16Well, they already are, but maybe we'll get them next month.
7:36:19They'll be there.
7:36:20Okay.
7:36:20Thank you very much.
7:36:26Secretary Rogers please.
7:36:27Thank you sir.
7:36:30Secretary Rogers sir.
7:36:32Hello, Bill.
7:36:32Yeah, good morning, Mr. President.
7:36:34But all I said, this is a great day for demonstrators, Mr. President.
7:36:38Great day for demonstrators.
7:36:40That's good.
7:36:41He hates them.
7:36:42I had a thought.
7:36:44In reading the morning paper, I noticed that Pompidou and Brezhnev were making a lot of noise about the European Security Conference.
7:36:54And I think it'd be well, and we can talk about it when you're
7:37:00but I think it would be well if you keep the thing very, very cool, I mean, on the thing.
7:37:10As you, of course, have said, we don't want the damn thing.
7:37:14We may have to have it at some point, but let's damn Europeans the way they played.
7:37:20I think it's very, very much in our interest to do that.
7:37:23And also, we have laid the foundation with the Russians because, you know, we played it very cool with Brezhnev and, I mean, with what the hell?
7:37:33Romico.
7:37:35And when I said, well, we'd have to wait and we'd look into it and so forth.
7:37:39So in talking, if we have any friends left in Europe, would you...
7:37:44I mean, of course, the Italians, the Italians are for it.
7:37:46The British, I spoke to Hume, and I think he must have told you the same thing.
7:37:50He's not too keen on the darn thing.
7:37:52No.
7:37:53But let's just... As long as they all run with the tide, though.
7:37:55Yeah, I know, I know.
7:37:56But let's not get that damn tide going so that it comes before our Soviet thing or... Or that we don't have any... Or even if we indicate too much...
7:38:11I think if we could just indicate every time, when you're the one to do it, I'm going to lay off of it by miles, but you just sort of indicate, well, this is a gingerly thing, and we've got to consider it, and what have we got to talk about, and, you know, I mean, so that we don't, because the press would love to push us into this goddamn thing.
7:38:30That's right.
7:38:31And it would be a mess right now.
7:38:33There's no possibility.
7:38:35of one until after election.
7:38:36We shouldn't even think about a conference itself.
7:38:39On the other hand, it seems to me we've got to look at... We might want to announce it.
7:38:43I know, I know.
7:38:44I know what you mean.
7:38:45We might have a preliminary meeting, you know, at three or four of us.
7:38:49I don't care how you do it, but...
7:38:52In other words, it might be a good thing to announce before the election.
7:38:55But I think if we can indicate, well, we are open to any conference.
7:38:59I mean, the line that we... We have no problem.
7:39:02But I just...
7:39:05The way the French are trying to play, this just burns my tail.
7:39:08I know.
7:39:09Goddamn them.
7:39:12They want to play this game.
7:39:13We'll go.
7:39:14Okay, well, I... Can I ask another question, Fred?
7:39:17Yeah.
7:39:18I was wondering whether there might be some advantage in my not having a full press conference but just going down to see the press at 12 o'clock to say the obvious.
7:39:27Oh, absolutely.
7:39:27I wouldn't have a press conference.
7:39:30What I mean is that...
7:39:32What I meant is that by a full press conference, I don't think there's anything to say.
7:39:38You just have it limited to this subject.
7:39:39Yes, what I thought I might say is that...
7:39:43We welcome the PRC's admission.
7:39:45That's been our position.
7:39:46That's our policy.
7:39:47We think it's a constructive step forward.
7:39:51We're disappointed about Taiwan.
7:39:54We think it's a matter of principle that our resolution should have carried.
7:39:57We fought hard for it.
7:39:58And also... We had a lot of good co-sponsors that fought hard for it.
7:40:02And that it went.
7:40:03I think I would...
7:40:07that this, we believe, is not a very good precedent for the United Nations.
7:40:11I think that it goes far beyond Taiwan.
7:40:14We don't want to be sore losers.
7:40:17I think we ought to also, I mean, certainly publicly, and certainly I think we ought to say that we hope this doesn't mean a week in the U.N. Yeah, you've got to say that, but let me say that I'm going to let the Appropriations Committee cut the shit out of me.
7:40:34But you just say exactly that.
7:40:36But don't worry about that.
7:40:37We'll take care of that in other ways.
7:40:39No, no, you've got to give the official lip service to the U.N. Are you going to see Henry today?
7:40:45Yes.
7:40:47I don't know what he's getting in at 4 o'clock or so.
7:40:504 or 5 o'clock I may see him, but I think mainly I'm going to see him tomorrow.
7:40:55I thought I would tomorrow because I've got Connolly on before his.
7:41:01We've got an awful lot of budget things and phase two things, and I've got to get those out of the way because I didn't realize he leaves Thursday.
7:41:08Connolly does, so I'm going to spend most of the day with him.
7:41:11Well, if you do that, I'd appreciate it.
7:41:13including me, when you see him, because otherwise it'll look as if we were working on purpose.
7:41:17Sure, I'll do that.
7:41:19I'll do that.
7:41:20Thank you very much.
7:41:21I don't worry about that conference now, that European Security Conference.
7:41:25The main thing is just keep it.
7:41:28I was thinking because of the French, I'd keep our public posture a little cool on it, too, because I don't want the Russians to think they've got us by the tail on this thing.
7:41:36Because it's something they want.
7:41:39They've got to give us something to get that, believe me.
7:41:42The Germans, of course, will be with us 100%.
7:41:43Good.
7:41:44Good.
7:41:45Well, it's a murder.
7:41:46Well, even that silly Brant must realize that.
7:41:48Oh, yes, he does.
7:41:49Okay.
7:41:49Well, I'm not sure.
7:41:51Okay.
7:41:51Okay.
7:41:52Thank you.
7:41:56Rogers, please.
7:41:57Thank you, sir.
7:41:58Detail.
7:41:59We want to discuss logistics and everything.
7:42:03Get our guys in the room.
7:42:08Nothing will be said.
7:42:12Well, then you can put it out that you and Rogers and Kissinger met.
7:42:16Yeah.
7:42:16First thing.
7:42:17Yeah, that you were over there.
7:42:19Come on, bud.
7:42:20Come on.
7:42:34It shows you the power of it.
7:42:35I'll show you the paper.
7:42:36It's really incredible.
7:42:38Secretary Bob Haldeman.
7:42:39Yeah, Bob.
7:42:40The president suggested that you and Henry and he have breakfast tomorrow morning at 8.30, which would be the basis for getting Henry's report on the thing.
7:42:49Is that okay for you?
7:42:50That's fine with me.
7:42:51All right.
7:42:52I think it'd be nice if...
7:42:54We'll put it out right now that he will be, Kissinger will be reporting to you and the President tomorrow morning at breakfast on his return.
7:43:04That's fine.
7:43:05One other thing I didn't want to bother him with, but we have a nomination over there for NATO, a fellow named Waller Stessel, and I understand you've been thinking about offering it to Texthorne.
7:43:15I doubt if he'll take it, but...
7:43:18In any event, the important thing is to get it done, because we're going to have a NATO meeting pretty soon, and we've got to have our man there.
7:43:23Okay.
7:43:25Okay.
7:43:27Either, as I understand it, between Stessel and...
7:43:32text Thornton.
7:43:33I think Henry favors Tessel, too.
7:43:36I think the only reason the president has some hesitation is, one, he won't do something for Thornton, and two, I think Brozio told him he ought to get a public figure, but it's awfully late in the game to work a public figure into that.
7:43:46It's a goddamn complex thing at the moment.
7:43:48Okay.
7:43:49I'll check it.
7:43:49Thank you, Bill.
7:43:50Right, Bill.
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On October 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 8:40 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 012-061 of the White House Tapes.
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Conversation No.012-061
Date: October 21, 1971
Time: 8:40 pm
Location: White House Telephone
The President talked with the White House operator.
Request for call to John N. Mitchell
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Conversation 012-061, October 22, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/012-061 (accessed October 12, 2026).