Conversation 012-077

TapeTape 12StartThursday, October 21, 1971 at 9:47 PMEndThursday, October 21, 1971 at 9:50 PMTape start time02:44:53Tape end time02:46:33ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Woods, Rose Mary;  Nixon, Richard M. (President);  Woods, Rose MaryRecording deviceWhite House Telephone

President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss the administration's stance on appointing women and minorities to high-level positions, specifically regarding the Supreme Court. The two express skepticism toward selecting candidates based on identity politics, arguing that such appointments undermine meritocracy and the professional readiness of the individuals involved. This exchange highlights the President's internal deliberations concerning diversity initiatives and the pressure to fill influential government roles.

Supreme Court appointmentsgender diversityaffirmative actionmeritocracyadministration personnel policy

On October 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone from 9:47 pm to 9:50 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 012-077 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No.012-077

Date: October 21, 1971
Time: 9:47 pm- 9:50 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Rose Mary Woods.

     Reports on President’s speech


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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/15/2017.
47s segment cleared for release. 7s remain closed as 012-077-w001.]

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       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542




[Personal Returnable]
[012-077-w001]
[Duration: 47s]

     Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s and Tricia Nixon Cox’s calls to Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon


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[Personal Returnable]
[012-077-w001]
[Duration: 7s]


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     Public treatment of Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
           -Democrats
           -Press coverage
                 -Headlines


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     Administration positions for women
         -Supreme Court
         -Blacks


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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 08/10/2017.
45s segment cleared for release. 2s remain closed as 012-077-w002.]
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               White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542




[012-077-w002]
[Duration: 45s]

     Speech announcing the Supreme Court nominations
          -The President’s schedule
          -Rose Mary Woods’s opinion


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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[Duration: 2s]


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     Attempt to nominate a female justice to the Supreme Court

     Positive response to speech announcing the Supreme Court nominations


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This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Hello.
There you are.
Thank you.
Hello.
Hello.
Any other reports?
No, I came on home because I thought I might as well.
Because most people I spoke to were, you know, had talked to me.
frankly, I think there are a lot of women who are more qualified than a lot of men in some jobs.
But if there are some really well-qualified women, they're darn few for the Supreme Court.
They're not ready yet, but they will be by the time we get through it.
They will be, and if you have a long enough time to watch somebody and see, you know, but it's a hard...
It's like the black.
You can't walk in and be president of the company right away.
But...
No, people shouldn't be applying to something because of their sex or color.
They don't do a good job because they know they got it because of it.