{"conversationCode":"012-109","tapeNumber":12,"conversationNumber":109,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-012-109","startDateTime":"1971-10-25T16:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-25T16:17:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Oct-1971","startTime":"12:15 PM","endDate":"25-Oct-1971","endTime":"12:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On October 25, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone from 12:15 pm to 12:17 pm. 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Rogers\n                -Possible topic\n                -United Nations [UN]\n          -India-Pakistan\n                                               71\n\n                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF\n\n          -UN vote on Chinese representation\n              -Portugal\n              -Belgium\n              -Luxemburg\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[National Security]\n[Duration: 19s ]\n\n     PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA [PRC]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nThe President conferred with an unknown person at an unknown time before 12:17 pm.\n\n     [Unintelligible]\n\n[End of Conferral]\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger\n         -Schedule\n                                               72\n\n                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF\n","filename":["012-109.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:25:24","tapeEnd":"04:27:21","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"012-108","nextCode":"012-110","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.19,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":3.73,"end":7.98,"text":"Yeah, I noted that I just got back that Rogers had a call for me."},{"start":8,"end":8.78,"text":"Do you know what it's about?"},{"start":9.36,"end":12.12,"text":"I think he wanted to give you an update on the UN."},{"start":12.42,"end":13.24,"text":"I just talked to him."},{"start":13.48,"end":16.51,"text":"I just want to know if there wasn't anything new on India, Pakistan or anything like that."},{"start":16.59,"end":18.47,"text":"No, there are no crises."},{"start":18.77,"end":21.59,"text":"He's concerned about the vote."},{"start":21.63,"end":25.26,"text":"We've gotten the Portuguese, but the Belgians are now wavering."},{"start":25.78,"end":26.3,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":26.32,"end":29.9,"text":"And that's, of course, essential to us because we could lose Luxembourg, too."},{"start":30.74,"end":32.75,"text":"He doesn't want me to call them, does he?"},{"start":32.81,"end":34.23,"text":"No, no, he does not, sir."},{"start":34.31,"end":43.36,"text":"And I just really think if we're going to lose, then the best thing to do is to back your prestige out of it, especially with those more important European powers."},{"start":45.18,"end":51.55,"text":"I'm not sure that that is going to happen, but he's a little more pessimistic than he was yesterday."},{"start":54.32,"end":54.46,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":55.33,"end":57.45,"text":"Well, they're doing everything they can."},{"start":57.61,"end":59.9,"text":"We're doing everything... And they can't..."},{"start":59.98,"end":63.08,"text":"This ridiculous claim that we're not behind them is..."},{"start":63.1,"end":65.83,"text":"Certainly, they may claim that, but I don't see how they can."},{"start":65.95,"end":67.33,"text":"No, it's sheer nonsense."},{"start":67.51,"end":69.29,"text":"And anyone that uses it knows it."},{"start":70.66,"end":70.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":92.51,"end":94.49,"text":"Get them anyway."},{"start":94.55,"end":97.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":97.19,"end":97.75,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":98.64,"end":100.04,"text":"Yeah, go ahead."},{"start":100.26,"end":103.22,"text":"Now, Henry just sent another message."},{"start":103.27,"end":106.93,"text":"He is staying there another 24 hours, and we'll leave at the same time."},{"start":107.09,"end":107.93,"text":"Right."},{"start":107.95,"end":108.17,"text":"Okay."},{"start":108.45,"end":110.74,"text":"One time."},{"start":110.76,"end":112.68,"text":"Everything else is all right, sir."},{"start":113.78,"end":113.96,"text":"Right."},{"start":113.98,"end":114.16,"text":"Okay."},{"start":114.2,"end":114.56,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":114.83,"end":116.49,"text":"Bye, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig discussed the status of a critical United Nations vote regarding the representation of the People’s Republic of China, specifically noting wavering support from Belgium and Luxembourg. While Secretary of State William Rogers expressed pessimism about the outcome, the President rejected the idea of calling these nations himself, opting to maintain presidential prestige if a loss appeared inevitable. 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