{"conversationCode":"013-034","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":34,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-034","startDateTime":"1971-10-29T19:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-29T19:08:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Oct-1971","startTime":"3:06 PM","endDate":"29-Oct-1971","endTime":"3:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On October 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 3:06 pm to 3:08 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 013-034 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 013-034\n\nDate: October 29, 1971\nTime: 3:06 pm - 3:08 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n[See Conversation No. 302-15]\n\n     Nelson A. Rockefeller\n          -Forthcoming call to President\n          -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]\n                -Welfare experiments\n                -Meeting with Elliot L. Richardson and John G. Veneman\n\n     Ehrlichman's schedule","filename":["013-034.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:15:57","tapeEnd":"01:16:47","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"013-033","nextCode":"013-035","transcript":[{"start":0.71,"end":3.17,"text":"Mr. Ehrlichman, Mr. President."},{"start":3.19,"end":3.61,"text":"There you are."},{"start":3.63,"end":4.29,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.31,"end":4.63,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":4.77,"end":8.04,"text":"I wondered if there was anything you had on the fire with Rockefeller."},{"start":8.1,"end":9.28,"text":"He has a call-in for me."},{"start":10.06,"end":10.36,"text":"No."},{"start":11.82,"end":19.04,"text":"He had some trouble last week with HEW on his experiments."},{"start":19.02,"end":28.73,"text":"and we got him together with Richardson and Veneman, and according to the department boys, they got it straightened out on his welfare experiments."},{"start":29.45,"end":29.89,"text":"I see."},{"start":30.55,"end":33.79,"text":"And that's the only thing I know of that we have going with him right now."},{"start":36.55,"end":38.56,"text":"Well, all right, I'll place a call to him."},{"start":39.08,"end":39.4,"text":"Fine."},{"start":39.84,"end":45.1,"text":"And if you'd like to come over in about 15 minutes, I'll be through with that."},{"start":45.15,"end":46.05,"text":"Right, thank you."},{"start":46.07,"end":47.15,"text":"It won't take that long to finish the call."},{"start":47.37,"end":48.13,"text":"Very good."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted John Ehrlichman regarding a potential call to Nelson Rockefeller to discuss the status of Rockefeller's welfare experiments. Ehrlichman reported that recent tensions between Rockefeller and the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare had been successfully resolved following a meeting with Elliot Richardson and John Veneman. Nixon subsequently decided to proceed with the call and scheduled a follow-up meeting with Ehrlichman for shortly thereafter.","topics":["Nelson A. Rockefeller","Welfare reform","Department of Health, Education and Welfare","Elliot L. Richardson","John G. Veneman"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:45:07.509Z"},"topicSlugs":["nelson-a-rockefeller","welfare-reform","department-of-health-education-and-welfare","elliot-l-richardson","john-g-veneman"],"audioDurationSec":50,"audioFiles":[{"file":"013-034.mp3","bytes":1192436,"durationSec":49.63,"bitrate":192213,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:22.041Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:36.405Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/013-034.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/013-034","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/13/conversation-013-034","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}