{"conversationCode":"013-038","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-038","startDateTime":"1971-10-29T20:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-29T20:11:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Oct-1971","startTime":"4:10 PM","endDate":"29-Oct-1971","endTime":"4:11 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On October 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 4:10 pm to 4:11 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 013-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 013-038\n\nDate: October 29, 1971\nTime: 4:10 pm - 4:11 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with George P. Shultz.\n\n[See Conversation No. 302-18B]\n\n     President's schedule\n           -Shultz\n           -John D. Ehrlichman","filename":["013-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:27:27","tapeEnd":"01:27:55","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Shultz, George P."],"prevCode":"013-037","nextCode":"013-039","transcript":[{"start":1.92,"end":2.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.56,"end":3.74,"text":"Mr. George Schultz."},{"start":5.37,"end":5.72,"text":"George."},{"start":5.83,"end":6.45,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":6.49,"end":7.73,"text":"You wanted to go over some things."},{"start":7.93,"end":13.55,"text":"John and I just are finishing on this Department of Agriculture thing, so we can, anytime you're ready, you can come over."},{"start":13.59,"end":14.55,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":14.6,"end":15.08,"text":"You're free now?"},{"start":15.22,"end":15.58,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":15.6,"end":16.3,"text":"I'll be right along."},{"start":16.6,"end":19.34,"text":"Don't break anything up, because I could do it in a half hour, if it's just as well."},{"start":19.42,"end":21.8,"text":"Well, we're just finishing up a meeting on this."},{"start":21.94,"end":22.6,"text":"Well, take your time."},{"start":22.66,"end":25.25,"text":"Finish your meeting, because I'll be here until, you know, 5.30."},{"start":25.75,"end":27.17,"text":"Okay, well, thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with George P. Shultz to coordinate a meeting regarding the Department of Agriculture. Shultz informed the President that he and John D. Ehrlichman were concluding their current deliberations on the matter. Nixon instructed them to take their time finishing the session, confirming he would be available to meet with them later in the afternoon.","topics":["Department of Agriculture","Presidential Scheduling","John D. Ehrlichman","Executive Coordination"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:45:28.918Z"},"topicSlugs":["department-of-agriculture","presidential-scheduling","john-d-ehrlichman","executive-coordination"],"audioDurationSec":28,"audioFiles":[{"file":"013-038.mp3","bytes":680854,"durationSec":28.3,"bitrate":192447,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:22.041Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/013-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/013-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/13/conversation-013-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}