{"conversationCode":"013-040","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":40,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-040","startDateTime":"1971-10-29T20:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-29T20:56:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Oct-1971","startTime":"4:55 PM","endDate":"29-Oct-1971","endTime":"4:56 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Whitaker, John C.;","description":"On October 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John C. Whitaker talked on the telephone from 4:55 pm to 4:56 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 013-040 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 013-040\n\nDate: October 29, 1971\nTime: 4:55 pm - 4:56 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with John C. Whitaker.\n\n[See Conversation No. 302-18D]\n\n     Thomas W. (\"Ted\") Gleason\n         -Charles W. Colson\n         -Laurence H. Silberman\n              -James D. Hodgson\n         -Negotiations concerning use of US ships\n              -Venezuela, Soviet Union\n                    -Oil and grain\n              -Colson, [Forename unknown] Lincoln","filename":["013-040.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:28:03","tapeEnd":"01:28:49","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Whitaker, John C."],"prevCode":"013-039","nextCode":"013-041","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.49,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.93,"end":2.4,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.42,"end":2.83,"text":"Hi, John."},{"start":2.85,"end":5.4,"text":"How are you getting along on Teddy Gleason?"},{"start":5.44,"end":6.54,"text":"We're working it pretty hard."},{"start":6.58,"end":11.85,"text":"Colson, and we had Colson and Silberman, the people under Hutch, and he's out of town."},{"start":12.13,"end":23.93,"text":"And we're trying to cut a deal, essentially, whereby on our next oil imports out of Venezuela, they'd go on American bottoms in return for getting the 50-50 deal on grain to Russia."},{"start":25.7,"end":29.82,"text":"Now, that's complicated, and Colson and Lincoln are working on that right now."},{"start":32.37,"end":37.3,"text":"Well, right, but you're pushing it with everything you've got, huh?"},{"start":37.38,"end":37.76,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":38.04,"end":39.6,"text":"You know this is a good one."},{"start":40.14,"end":41.06,"text":"Yeah, I'm good."},{"start":41.08,"end":43.4,"text":"It pays off foreign policy and with the farm bill."},{"start":43.74,"end":43.98,"text":"Right."},{"start":44.1,"end":44.69,"text":"Fine job."},{"start":44.81,"end":45.71,"text":"Okay."},{"start":45.73,"end":45.87,"text":"Thanks."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with John C. Whitaker regarding ongoing negotiations with labor leader Thomas W. 'Ted' Gleason. The administration sought to strike a deal that would utilize American ships for Venezuelan oil imports in exchange for a 50-50 shipping arrangement for grain exports to the Soviet Union. Nixon emphasized the importance of the effort, noting the potential political benefits for both foreign policy and domestic agricultural legislation.","topics":["Ted Gleason","Shipping policy","Venezuela","Soviet Union","Grain exports","Labor relations","Foreign policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:45:39.614Z"},"topicSlugs":["ted-gleason","shipping-policy","venezuela","soviet-union","grain-exports","labor-relations","foreign-policy"],"audioDurationSec":47,"audioFiles":[{"file":"013-040.mp3","bytes":1125981,"durationSec":46.84,"bitrate":192313,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:22.041Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:36.406Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/013-040.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/013-040","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/13/conversation-013-040","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}