{"conversationCode":"013-041","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":41,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-041","startDateTime":"1971-10-29T22:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-29T22:35:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Oct-1971","startTime":"6:03 PM","endDate":"29-Oct-1971","endTime":"6:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; White House operator;","description":"On October 29, 1971, Henry A. Kissinger and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 6:03 pm and 6:35 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 013-041 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 013-041\n\nDate: October 29, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 6:03 pm and 6:35 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\nHenry A. Kissinger talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See Conversation No. 608-2A]\n\n     Request for a call to James C.H. Shen","filename":["013-041.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:28:49","tapeEnd":"01:29:15","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","White House operator"],"prevCode":"013-040","nextCode":"013-042","transcript":[{"start":2.85,"end":5.21,"text":"This is Mr. Kissinger."},{"start":5.23,"end":9.82,"text":"Can you get me the ambassador of China?"},{"start":9.84,"end":10.85,"text":"The Republic of China?"},{"start":11.03,"end":12.21,"text":"The Republic of China."},{"start":12.99,"end":14.77,"text":"Is that the one in Taiwan?"},{"start":15.05,"end":15.97,"text":"No, no, in Washington."},{"start":15.99,"end":17.1,"text":"In Washington."},{"start":17.12,"end":17.22,"text":"Oh."},{"start":17.24,"end":18.08,"text":"I mean, Mr. Shen."},{"start":18.72,"end":19.58,"text":"Mr. Shen."},{"start":19.88,"end":23.41,"text":"Just call the Nationalist Chinese Embassy and ask for Mr. Shen."},{"start":23.43,"end":23.63,"text":"All right."},{"start":23.65,"end":24.67,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry A. Kissinger directed the White House operator to place a call to James C.H. Shen, the Ambassador of the Republic of China in Washington, D.C. After clarifying the specific individual and embassy being referenced, Kissinger instructed the operator to contact the Nationalist Chinese Embassy directly to reach the ambassador. This brief interaction served as a logistical step to facilitate direct communication with the Taiwanese diplomatic mission.","topics":["Henry A. Kissinger","James C.H. Shen","Republic of China","Diplomacy","Taiwan"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:45:44.825Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-a-kissinger","james-c-h-shen","republic-of-china","diplomacy","taiwan"],"audioDurationSec":25,"audioFiles":[{"file":"013-041.mp3","bytes":604368,"durationSec":25.11,"bitrate":192521,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:22.041Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:36.406Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/013-041.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/013-041","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/13/conversation-013-041","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}