{"conversationCode":"013-064","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":64,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-064","startDateTime":"1971-11-02T14:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-02T14:20:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Nov-1971","startTime":"9:19 AM","endDate":"2-Nov-1971","endTime":"9:20 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On November 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 9:19 am to 9:20 am. 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Stuart\n                                                47\n\n                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF\n\n                                       Tape Subject Log\n                                         (rev. 10/06)","filename":["013-064.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:32:45","tapeEnd":"02:33:54","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"013-063","nextCode":"013-065","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.59,"end":1.97,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.07,"end":9.69,"text":"Yeah, I think when we, I don't know what the situation will be with Rogers, but I think he may be available to come out when he finishes today."},{"start":9.73,"end":12.27,"text":"We'll determine it after we finish."},{"start":12.71,"end":14.29,"text":"Is the briefing at normally 11 o'clock?"},{"start":14.45,"end":20.7,"text":"Well, we'd be prepared for him to come out at about 10 or so, 10 or 10.15, right after the meeting."},{"start":21.3,"end":23.73,"text":"Well, the meeting is scheduled at 9.30."},{"start":23.83,"end":27.36,"text":"It's 9.30, but it'll last probably until 9, until 10.15, 10.32."},{"start":28.09,"end":31.2,"text":"but he would be prepared in the event that he is fired."},{"start":31.86,"end":35.24,"text":"Now, on the Mrs. Nixon trip, have you got..."},{"start":35.26,"end":35.58,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":35.7,"end":43.73,"text":"I stopped by to see you last night to tell you that in talking to the NSC, they had to double-check a couple of things with the other country."},{"start":44.09,"end":44.65,"text":"I see."},{"start":44.67,"end":49.28,"text":"And we are expecting word back from them today, and as soon as we get it back, we will announce it."},{"start":49.32,"end":55.7,"text":"I'm sorry to... Yeah, incidentally, when you do that, in order to save the face of the..."},{"start":56.43,"end":59.4,"text":"On the east wing thing, why don't you just have them come over with you?"},{"start":59.46,"end":60.2,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":60.26,"end":62.43,"text":"I'll coordinate it with Connie very closely."},{"start":62.45,"end":67.58,"text":"Have her come over so you can make a joint announcement."},{"start":67.6,"end":67.9,"text":"Okay."},{"start":67.94,"end":68.11,"text":"Good."},{"start":68.12,"end":68.87,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler coordinated the timing of a post-meeting press briefing for Secretary of State William P. Rogers, ensuring his availability following a morning session. The two also discussed the logistical preparations for First Lady Pat Nixon’s upcoming trip, which required final clearance from the National Security Council. Nixon directed Ziegler to coordinate with Connie Stuart and hold a joint announcement regarding the trip to ensure the presentation was handled effectively.","topics":["William P. Rogers","Pat Nixon","National Security Council","Press relations","Public announcements"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:47:48.576Z"},"topicSlugs":["william-p-rogers","pat-nixon","national-security-council","press-relations","public-announcements"],"audioDurationSec":69,"audioFiles":[{"file":"013-064.mp3","bytes":1660132,"durationSec":69.1,"bitrate":192190,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:22.041Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/013-064.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/013-064","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/13/conversation-013-064","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}