{"conversationCode":"013-070","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":70,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-070","startDateTime":"1971-11-02T18:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-02T18:08:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Nov-1971","startTime":"1:06 PM","endDate":"2-Nov-1971","endTime":"1:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rousselot, John H.;","description":"On November 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John H. Rousselot talked on the telephone from 1:06 pm to 1:08 pm. 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Timmons\n          -Rousselot's birthday\n                 -Age\n\n     Rousselot's support for President's programs\n         -People's Republic of China [PRC]\n                -President's schedule\n                      -Rousselot's conversation with Clark MacGregor","filename":["013-070.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:35:29","tapeEnd":"02:36:53","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rousselot, John H."],"prevCode":"013-069","nextCode":"013-071","transcript":[{"start":1.03,"end":1.67,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.75,"end":3.45,"text":"I have Congressman Russel O. for you."},{"start":3.47,"end":3.57,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.62,"end":5.06,"text":"You are."},{"start":5.56,"end":5.68,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.9,"end":6.26,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.68,"end":7,"text":"Johnny."},{"start":7.7,"end":9,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":9.02,"end":14.8,"text":"I'm just checking with Timmons here, and he tells me that you were born, oh, about 35 years ago."},{"start":14.82,"end":17.54,"text":"So I don't know."},{"start":17.62,"end":19.83,"text":"Let's see."},{"start":19.81,"end":20.75,"text":"44, right?"},{"start":20.77,"end":21.11,"text":"44, right."},{"start":21.39,"end":23.33,"text":"My golly, you can't be that old."},{"start":23.45,"end":25.64,"text":"I remember when you were a young Republican."},{"start":26.05,"end":29.4,"text":"Yes, well, you were the one that got me all activated."},{"start":29.42,"end":33.16,"text":"Right, well, anyway, I just want you to know we really appreciated your support, too."},{"start":33.2,"end":36.17,"text":"You're on our, what we call our A-list."},{"start":36.23,"end":40.85,"text":"And I know that sometimes it's hard to support the administration, but we're glad we got one from my old home district."},{"start":41.07,"end":42.99,"text":"Well, I appreciate very much your call."},{"start":43.02,"end":44.24,"text":"You're very thoughtful to call."},{"start":45.54,"end":46.26,"text":"Well, we appreciate it."},{"start":46.28,"end":49.34,"text":"Sometime when you get a chance, I would like to sit down and talk about the..."},{"start":50.03,"end":50.99,"text":"Red Chinese thing."},{"start":51.01,"end":52.7,"text":"That bothered me a great deal."},{"start":52.96,"end":55.26,"text":"I know it has, and you've been very responsible about it."},{"start":55.28,"end":60.63,"text":"But when we get further along, I think we can do it, and I might get a few fellows in."},{"start":60.65,"end":66.49,"text":"I think, too, you will see that there's far more there than meets the eye."},{"start":67.01,"end":74.18,"text":"Well, that's what I'd like to talk about, and I'm sure there was, and that's why I told Clark when the time was right to..."},{"start":74.84,"end":78.33,"text":"And if you feel it's appropriate, be glad to talk about it."},{"start":78.71,"end":79.19,"text":"Fine, Johnny."},{"start":79.69,"end":81.16,"text":"Well, you're very thoughtful to call."},{"start":81.18,"end":82.16,"text":"That's awfully nice of you."},{"start":82.18,"end":82.54,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":82.82,"end":83.99,"text":"All righty, and we'll be talking."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon telephoned Congressman John H. Rousselot to extend birthday greetings and express appreciation for his legislative support. The two discussed Rousselot’s reservations regarding the administration’s shifting policy toward the People's Republic of China. Nixon acknowledged the Congressman’s concerns and suggested a future meeting to provide further context on the diplomatic strategy.","topics":["John H. 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