{"conversationCode":"013-073","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":73,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-073","startDateTime":"1971-11-02T18:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-02T18:31:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Nov-1971","startTime":"1:30 PM","endDate":"2-Nov-1971","endTime":"1:31 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.;","description":"On November 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 1:30 pm to 1:31 pm. 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(President)","Rogers, William P."],"prevCode":"013-072","nextCode":"013-074","transcript":[{"start":0.64,"end":2.34,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.46,"end":4.62,"text":"Secretary Rogers, sir."},{"start":4.64,"end":5.14,"text":"There you are."},{"start":5.16,"end":23.46,"text":"Well, I might interrupt your lunch, but I wanted to tell you that I told the Prime Minister, without giving him the numbers, what our plans were with regard to the next troop announcement and the January deal and so forth, and filled him in a little."},{"start":23.54,"end":25.89,"text":"I told him that he was not to..."},{"start":25.87,"end":32.13,"text":"naturally could not say anything about it now, and he said, of course, that only you and I and Henry knew about it."},{"start":32.65,"end":38.76,"text":"But I thought it was good to tell him something that, you know, because he's trustworthy, I understand."},{"start":38.78,"end":44.64,"text":"So I want you to know that so that in your conversation you could allude to that sort of tendency."},{"start":44.66,"end":45.78,"text":"See what I mean?"},{"start":45.9,"end":46.45,"text":"Yes, I do."},{"start":46.78,"end":47.63,"text":"That's very helpful."},{"start":47.89,"end":49.97,"text":"I think my little statement went all right."},{"start":49.99,"end":50.81,"text":"Oh, it went excellent."},{"start":50.83,"end":53.45,"text":"I tell you, Ziegler was just elated with it."},{"start":53.47,"end":54.91,"text":"He came in, he sort of just"},{"start":55.23,"end":58.42,"text":"And Scali, too, thinks it'll get a hell of a good ride."},{"start":59.24,"end":59.92,"text":"Hell of a good ride."},{"start":59.98,"end":60.16,"text":"Fine."},{"start":60.2,"end":61.24,"text":"But this is fine."},{"start":61.26,"end":62.69,"text":"We had a good talk about everything in general."},{"start":62.71,"end":63.83,"text":"The man is quite a fellow, isn't he?"},{"start":64.11,"end":64.63,"text":"I like him."},{"start":65.09,"end":66.58,"text":"Oh, he's a fightsy guy."},{"start":66.82,"end":68.06,"text":"And very intelligent."},{"start":68.7,"end":69.4,"text":"Very intelligent."},{"start":69.76,"end":70.36,"text":"Right."},{"start":70.39,"end":70.87,"text":"Okay, thanks."},{"start":71.15,"end":71.41,"text":"Bye."},{"start":71.59,"end":71.67,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Secretary of State William P. Rogers briefed President Nixon on his recent discussion with Australian Prime Minister William McMahon regarding confidential plans for future U.S. troop withdrawals in Vietnam. Rogers emphasized that he shared these sensitive details under the condition of strict secrecy, ensuring the President could reference this information during his own upcoming engagement with the Prime Minister. 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