{"conversationCode":"013-148","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":148,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-148","startDateTime":"1971-11-05T14:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-05T14:28:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Nov-1971","startTime":"9:24 AM","endDate":"5-Nov-1971","endTime":"9:28 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Regan, Edward V.;","description":"On November 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Edward V. Regan talked on the telephone from 9:24 am to 9:28 am. 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Regan\n             -Election victory\n                     -Erie County\n             -Jack Kemp's conversation with President\n                     -Democratic attacks\n                     -Edward V. Regan’s support for President\n             -President's opponents\n                     -Attacks on Vice-President Spiro T. Agnew\n             -Edward V. Regan's forthcoming package for Harry S. Dent\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Regan's future relations with the White House\n         -John D. Ehrlichman\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 02/11/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[013-148-w002]\n[Duration: 59s]\n\n       New York county elections\n            -Outcome of county elections\n                   -Democratic Party performance\n                   -Nassau County\n                           -Republican Party performance\n                   -Suffolk County\n                           -John V. N. Klein\n                           -Republican Party victory\n                   -Nassau County\n                           -Republican Party performance\n                   -Republican Party performance\n                           -Higher offices\n                           -Town, village, and city offices\n                   -Erie County\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n             -Bond issue\n                  -Regan's position\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 02/11/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[013-148-w003]\n[Duration: 44s]\n\n       New York county elections\n            -Edward V. Regan victory\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n               -Nassau County\n               -Westchester County\n                      -Edwin G. Michaelian\n               -Suffolk County\n                      -John V.N. Klein\n                             -Position in county government\n                             -Edward V. Regan’s description of John V. N. Klein\n                             -Potential phone call from President\n\n     Edward V. Regan\n         -Work on behalf of President in 1972 election\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Buffalo Bills\n          -Jack F. Kemp","filename":["013-148.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:16:11","tapeEnd":"04:20:06","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Regan, Edward V."],"prevCode":"013-147","nextCode":"013-149","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.06,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.18,"end":4.05,"text":"Mr. President, I have Mr. Edward Reagan for you."},{"start":4.31,"end":4.6,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.7,"end":6.34,"text":"All right, go ahead."},{"start":67.43,"end":68.03,"text":"All right."},{"start":68.11,"end":72.66,"text":"Well, I'm so delighted, and we want to be as helpful as we can."},{"start":72.72,"end":76.04,"text":"I'm sitting here right now just walking off with John Ehrlichman."},{"start":76.5,"end":76.64,"text":"Right."},{"start":76.66,"end":78.26,"text":"John's the head of the domestic council."},{"start":78.54,"end":79.06,"text":"That I know."},{"start":79.26,"end":89.01,"text":"And whenever you have something affecting county government, where a problem or something, we don't have much money, but we now and then can be helpful."},{"start":89.47,"end":94.72,"text":"But you just get on the horn with John, because he knows that I've told him that we'll talk to you."},{"start":94.74,"end":95.64,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":95.68,"end":96,"text":"Fine."},{"start":154.99,"end":157.48,"text":"I wonder if the bond issue hurt."},{"start":158.2,"end":160.14,"text":"The bond issue did to some extent."},{"start":160.3,"end":162.78,"text":"Yeah, people don't want those taxes, do they?"},{"start":162.8,"end":166.25,"text":"Oh boy, it's just... What position did you take on the bond issue?"},{"start":166.27,"end":167.59,"text":"I was in favor of it."},{"start":167.71,"end":169.53,"text":"I know, well that was the responsible thing to do."},{"start":169.67,"end":170.49,"text":"Only thing to do."},{"start":170.51,"end":178.22,"text":"I said, listen, I know about the per capita debt in New York State and everything else, but I'm going to look for it because we need it."},{"start":178.34,"end":178.82,"text":"That was it."},{"start":179.82,"end":181.19,"text":"But it didn't hurt me, I guess."},{"start":225.16,"end":227.15,"text":"I just hope you do better than the bills done."},{"start":227.19,"end":227.51,"text":"Okay."},{"start":227.57,"end":227.85,"text":"All right."},{"start":227.89,"end":231.16,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":231.22,"end":232.14,"text":"They still need Kemp."},{"start":232.54,"end":232.93,"text":"Okay."},{"start":233.03,"end":234.41,"text":"That's right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon spoke with Edward V. Regan to establish a direct line of communication between Regan and John Ehrlichman regarding domestic policy and county government issues. The two discussed the political fallout of a recent bond issue, with Nixon validating Regan’s support for the measure as a responsible political action despite its unpopularity. The conversation concluded with a brief, lighthearted exchange concerning the performance of the Buffalo Bills and Representative Jack Kemp.","topics":["Edward V. 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