{"conversationCode":"013-156","tapeNumber":13,"conversationNumber":156,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-013-156","startDateTime":"1971-11-09T01:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-09T01:54:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Nov-1971","startTime":"8:47 PM","endDate":"8-Nov-1971","endTime":"8:54 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On November 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 8:47 pm to 8:54 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 013-156 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 013-156\n\nDate: November 8, 1971\nTime: 8:47 pm - 8:54 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n     India-Pakistan\n           -Washington Star story\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number\nLPRN-T-MDR-2012-005. Segment declassified on 02/11/2019. Archivist: MAS]\n[National Security]\n[013-156-w001]\n[Duration: 7m 48s]\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n       India-Pakistan conflict\n              -Washington Star story\n              -William P. Rogers's August 1971 proposal\n                      -Joseph J. Sisco\n                              -Cutting off items from proposal\n                              -Deadline\n                      -Alexander M. Haig\n              -Indian retaliation\n                      -France\n                              -Pipeline\n              -Talking paper\n              -State Department\n              -Henry A. Kissinger's conversation with Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters\n                      -Georges J. R. Pompidou\n              -Loyalty of Pakistan government to US\n              -Henry A. Kissinger's instructions to Alexander M. Haig\n                      -Policy unchanged vis-à-vis Pakistan\n              -Government bureaucracy\n                      -Executive Office Building [EOB]\n              -US policy\n                      -Presidential visit\n                      -Deadline\n                      -Joseph J. Sisco\n                              -Henry A. Kissinger’s opinion\n                      -Deadline\n                      -Pakistan ambassador to US\n\n       US-People’s Republic of China [PRC] relations\n             -Henry A. Kissinger’s conversations with People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n                    -Military aid\n                    -Economic aid\n                    -Future communication with People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n                    -Comparison to Pakistan\n                    -Advice from President to Henry A. Kissinger\n                            -People’s Republic of China [PRC] position\n                                   -Help administration\n\n       Pakistan\n              -US aid\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                       -Senatorial opposition\n\n**********************************************************************","filename":["013-156.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:27:08","tapeEnd":"04:34:57","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"013-155","nextCode":"013-157","transcript":[{"start":1.13,"end":16.94,"text":"Hello."},{"start":16.96,"end":22.77,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":22.79,"end":22.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":22.91,"end":23.85,"text":"I was, uh, I, uh, was just looking at the star."},{"start":23.87,"end":24.17,"text":"That's right."},{"start":24.19,"end":25.11,"text":"Well, it's been pushed out of the Indian."},{"start":26.13,"end":27.01,"text":"Well, I think it's the fourth stage of this."},{"start":27.03,"end":28.51,"text":"The Indians sort of leaked a little, but they didn't know all the details."},{"start":28.53,"end":29.75,"text":"Well, there certainly was no misunderstanding with the Paksa."},{"start":29.77,"end":31.03,"text":"Well, Mr. President, the Paksa, there was no misunderstanding."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed a Washington Star news report concerning escalating tensions between India and Pakistan. The two men reviewed the origins of the media leak, assessing the extent of Indian involvement in disseminating the information. They ultimately sought to clarify the administration's position and ensure there were no misunderstandings regarding the United States' communication with Pakistan.","topics":["India-Pakistan conflict","Washington Star","Media leaks","Foreign policy","South Asia"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-05T23:56:00.340Z"},"topicSlugs":["india-pakistan-conflict","washington-star","media-leaks","foreign-policy","south-asia"],"audioDurationSec":470,"audioFiles":[{"file":"013-156.mp3","bytes":11270477,"durationSec":469.53,"bitrate":192031,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.617Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:36.421Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/013-156.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/013-156","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/13/conversation-013-156","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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