{"conversationCode":"014-041","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":41,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-041","startDateTime":"1971-11-11T20:27:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-11T20:30:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Nov-1971","startTime":"3:27 PM","endDate":"11-Nov-1971","endTime":"3:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 3:27 pm to 3:30 pm. 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Hardin\n         -Announcement November 11, 1971\n         -Replacement with Earl L. Butz\n               -Dwight D. Eisenhower Administration\n         -Clifford M. Hardin\n               -Business offer\n         -Paper stated Clifford M. Hardin was fired\n               -Untrue that President will make statement\n\n    The President’s schedule\n         -November 12, 1971 troop withdrawal announcement to press\n              -Work with Kissinger\n              -Will miss dinner\n         -Travel to Camp David on November 12, 1971\n         -National Security Council [NSC] meeting 5:00 pm\n         -Departure for Camp David\n         -Dinner at Camp David\n              -Tricia Nixon Cox’s schedule\n         -Departure time for Camp David\n\n    Arrival of Earl M. Butz and Mary E. (Powell) Butz\n         -Arrival of Martha L.W. Hardin\n         -Attendance of Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    Ivory Coast trip\n\n    Delegation appointment\n         -Republican National Committee [RNC]\n               -Jeremiah Milbank\n         -William F. (“Billy”) Graham\n         -RNC\n               -Robert Dunlop\n               -Bernard J. (\"Bunny\") Lasker\n                    -Son and daughter","filename":["014-041.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:08:15","tapeEnd":"01:11:48","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"014-040","nextCode":"014-042","transcript":[{"start":127.86,"end":131.68,"text":"As I told you last night, I think the Ivory Coast thing is just an excellent idea."},{"start":132.44,"end":141.21,"text":"You know, we received a phone message from, you know, from Milbank."},{"start":141.39,"end":142.25,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":142.31,"end":144.26,"text":"Did you get a copy of that or anything?"},{"start":144.28,"end":147.34,"text":"No, but I'll get, I'll write them on it and I'll see the date."},{"start":147.82,"end":148.92,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":149.38,"end":152.53,"text":"No, I know that he wants somebody appointed to the delegation."},{"start":152.77,"end":154.95,"text":"Well, did you see the ones they recommended?"},{"start":155.97,"end":157.31,"text":"No, I'll, have you got them?"},{"start":157.49,"end":157.73,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":158.22,"end":162.39,"text":"Well, hell, and they may have kind of, you know, okay, I'll get at it right away."},{"start":162.67,"end":163.75,"text":"Well, anyway."},{"start":163.77,"end":169.51,"text":"Yeah, we'll cross some of them off if necessary to get his man on, because the only one that I have approved is Billy Graham."},{"start":169.55,"end":170.49,"text":"Well, this is the funniest thing, Dunlop."},{"start":170.67,"end":174.98,"text":"of President of Sun Oil who has a refinery or something."},{"start":175,"end":177.02,"text":"I know, but he's been here many times at the White House."},{"start":177.04,"end":178.76,"text":"Okay, I'll take care of it."},{"start":178.86,"end":182.59,"text":"No, this is for the committee going..."},{"start":182.61,"end":184.97,"text":"I know, I know, but I know that, but I just want to..."},{"start":184.99,"end":187.7,"text":"But, you know, well, shall I just send this over to you?"},{"start":187.74,"end":194.03,"text":"And then Milbank suggests Lasker, and Lasker wants to take his son and daughter..."},{"start":194.25,"end":196.29,"text":"as much as he isn't with his wife."},{"start":196.75,"end":197.89,"text":"No, no, no, that won't do."},{"start":197.91,"end":199.19,"text":"All right, I'll get at it right away."},{"start":199.43,"end":201.9,"text":"I'll get somebody on it that's got more brains and we'll work it out."},{"start":202,"end":203.54,"text":"Okay, I agree."},{"start":203.78,"end":207.29,"text":"You don't need to do it, but just send it over to me and I'll take care of it, see?"},{"start":207.95,"end":208.55,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":208.57,"end":209.95,"text":"Okay, okay, fine."},{"start":210.33,"end":210.94,"text":"I'll see you later."},{"start":211.32,"end":211.6,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed the formation of a U.S. delegation for an upcoming trip to the Ivory Coast. The President expressed specific concerns regarding the composition of the delegation, particularly regarding the recommendations provided by Jeremiah Milbank of the Republican National Committee. 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