{"conversationCode":"014-044","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":44,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-044","startDateTime":"1971-11-11T20:32:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-11T20:33:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Nov-1971","startTime":"3:32 PM","endDate":"11-Nov-1971","endTime":"3:33 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 3:32 pm to 3:33 pm. 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(\"Bunny\") Lasker\n                           -Family\n                           -Financial arrangement\n                           -Mrs. Nixon\n                    -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman","filename":["014-044.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:12:08","tapeEnd":"01:13:17","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"014-043","nextCode":"014-045","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.67,"end":2.07,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.09,"end":4.74,"text":"I wanted to know who the memorandum is from that you've got."},{"start":5.06,"end":6.42,"text":"Oh, I tell you."},{"start":7.4,"end":7.5,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":7.52,"end":9.3,"text":"Milbank's called one of our girls."},{"start":9.36,"end":16.61,"text":"Yeah, I know, but who, the ones that say we've appointed them or named them, who's it written from, from whom to whom, do you know?"},{"start":17.19,"end":18.15,"text":"I'm just trying to run it down."},{"start":18.59,"end":22.5,"text":"Oh, no, he just called up to recommend these people."},{"start":22.62,"end":23.8,"text":"Oh, Dunlop is recommended?"},{"start":24.06,"end":24.38,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":24.52,"end":26.88,"text":"Well, we might be able to send him, but we can't send..."},{"start":27.1,"end":31.22,"text":"We can't send Bunny with his wife and with his two kids."},{"start":31.28,"end":36.69,"text":"That's just a... And he'll do his own expenses, Ed, if appointed and all that."},{"start":36.75,"end":38.84,"text":"Well, maybe that's all right."},{"start":39.08,"end":40.38,"text":"I mean, he can be with you, you know."},{"start":40.72,"end":41.98,"text":"No, I don't care."},{"start":42.28,"end":42.86,"text":"I don't care."},{"start":42.94,"end":44.28,"text":"I just wanted to know whether..."},{"start":44.3,"end":46.41,"text":"I mean, he's never gotten anything yet, and it's not a bad idea."},{"start":46.45,"end":47.35,"text":"Maybe it's a bad idea."},{"start":47.39,"end":47.63,"text":"Fine."},{"start":47.67,"end":48.27,"text":"We'll see."},{"start":48.53,"end":49.15,"text":"Yeah, well, okay."},{"start":49.17,"end":50.35,"text":"Might be a good way to pay him off."},{"start":50.37,"end":52.24,"text":"But I just want to..."},{"start":52.26,"end":53.9,"text":"I'll just get at the thing right away and..."},{"start":53.88,"end":57.93,"text":"Apparently, Milbanks called our secretary and gave him this information."},{"start":57.95,"end":60.35,"text":"All right, send that to Haldeman, if you would, please."},{"start":60.37,"end":60.53,"text":"Okay."},{"start":60.89,"end":64.66,"text":"Then Haldeman can get on it right away, see, because he's the one that's in charge of it in my office."},{"start":64.9,"end":65.54,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":65.56,"end":66.49,"text":"All right, fine, thank you."},{"start":68.45,"end":68.53,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed the vetting of potential political appointees recommended by Jeremiah Milbank. The conversation focused on the suitability of Robert Dunlop and Bernard J. Lasker for upcoming delegation assignments, with specific concerns regarding financial arrangements and family accompaniment. The President directed that all relevant documentation be forwarded to H.R. Haldeman to finalize the review process.","topics":["Pat Nixon","Delegation appointments","Jeremiah Milbank","H.R. 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