{"conversationCode":"014-070","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":70,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-070","startDateTime":"1971-11-12T00:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-12T00:26:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Nov-1971","startTime":"7:24 PM","endDate":"11-Nov-1971","endTime":"7:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 7:24 pm to 7:26 pm. 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(President)","White House operator","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"014-069","nextCode":"014-071","transcript":[{"start":2.09,"end":3.93,"text":"Dr. Kissinger, Mr. President."},{"start":3.95,"end":4.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.49,"end":6.12,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":6.22,"end":6.42,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.46,"end":7.12,"text":"Mr. President."},{"start":7.32,"end":8.74,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":8.76,"end":10.06,"text":"You asked me to call you back."},{"start":16.39,"end":17.65,"text":"Must have been about something earlier."},{"start":18.09,"end":20.86,"text":"I was, uh..."},{"start":25.46,"end":26.38,"text":"No, I'm just looking here."},{"start":26.44,"end":27.21,"text":"Nothing."},{"start":27.23,"end":28.71,"text":"I was taking a shower."},{"start":29.19,"end":30.11,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":30.13,"end":30.47,"text":"Wait a minute."},{"start":30.49,"end":30.97,"text":"Wait a minute."},{"start":31.01,"end":31.86,"text":"Wait a minute."},{"start":31.88,"end":32.22,"text":"Let me see."},{"start":33.62,"end":36.22,"text":"That's right."},{"start":36.59,"end":37.21,"text":"You're going out."},{"start":39.05,"end":40.19,"text":"Let me just check a minute."},{"start":40.49,"end":41.52,"text":"It's over at the desk."},{"start":41.76,"end":42.36,"text":"Just a second."},{"start":56.41,"end":57.41,"text":"Oh, yeah, I know what it was."},{"start":57.85,"end":66.24,"text":"With regard to McCloy in the morning, rather than saying a member of the cabinet, why don't we tell him I want to make him a member of the National Security Council?"},{"start":66.26,"end":67.14,"text":"It's more important."},{"start":67.58,"end":71.11,"text":"It doesn't involve all the cabinet crap, you see, which means nothing."},{"start":71.99,"end":74.95,"text":"And, you know, I can always add something."},{"start":74.99,"end":75.99,"text":"How did that sound to you?"},{"start":76.75,"end":80.34,"text":"Well, he just has to be on the National Security Council for European matters."},{"start":80.98,"end":81.34,"text":"Well..."},{"start":83.11,"end":84.39,"text":"He'll be a pain in the neck."},{"start":84.41,"end":90.01,"text":"Just say, for the National Security Council, European matters or anything indirectly or directly involving them."},{"start":90.51,"end":90.77,"text":"Right."},{"start":90.89,"end":95.36,"text":"I don't even mind him being on, you know, because... Well, he could be a pain in the neck."},{"start":95.5,"end":96.14,"text":"All right, I see."},{"start":96.24,"end":96.5,"text":"Fine."},{"start":96.74,"end":98.98,"text":"National Security Council for all European matters."},{"start":99.34,"end":99.56,"text":"Right."},{"start":99.62,"end":105.31,"text":"The Cabinet thing is a little bit of a problem because we've got so many jackasses there already and it doesn't look too much."},{"start":105.53,"end":105.99,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":106.01,"end":106.87,"text":"Right, Mr. President."},{"start":107.09,"end":107.31,"text":"All right."},{"start":107.89,"end":108.55,"text":"Have fun tonight."},{"start":109.27,"end":109.41,"text":"Bye."},{"start":109.91,"end":109.99,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the potential appointment of John J. McCloy to the administration. Seeking to avoid the complications of a Cabinet-level position, Nixon decides to offer McCloy a role specifically within the National Security Council focusing on European matters. This decision aims to utilize McCloy's expertise while limiting his influence over broader administrative concerns.","topics":["John J. 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