{"conversationCode":"014-102","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":102,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-102","startDateTime":"1971-11-15T15:03:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-15T15:05:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Nov-1971","startTime":"10:03 AM","endDate":"15-Nov-1971","endTime":"10:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Connally, John B.;","description":"On November 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John B. Connally talked on the telephone from 10:03 am to 10:05 am. 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Volpe\n          -Connally\n                -William P. Rogers\n                -Phase II","filename":["014-102.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:19:03","tapeEnd":"03:20:41","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Connally, John B."],"prevCode":"014-101","nextCode":"014-103","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":7.9,"text":"Hello, John, did you get a little sleep?"},{"start":7.92,"end":8.96,"text":"Yes, sir, I sure did."},{"start":8.98,"end":10.09,"text":"I bet you were tired."},{"start":10.75,"end":14.37,"text":"No, we went home and we got some sleep and we feel excellent."},{"start":14.49,"end":16.07,"text":"We really enjoyed the dinner, though."},{"start":16.09,"end":17.16,"text":"Isn't that a lovely room, though?"},{"start":17.2,"end":17.86,"text":"It really is."},{"start":18.34,"end":19.5,"text":"That was a first for you."},{"start":19.52,"end":24.36,"text":"That's the first time we've ever, except for when Mrs. Eisner was here last Christmas, the first time we've ever used that room."},{"start":24.66,"end":25.91,"text":"It's a lovely room."},{"start":25.99,"end":28.03,"text":"It's so much prettier than any of the others."},{"start":28.01,"end":30.17,"text":"We were just thrilled with it."},{"start":30.29,"end":37.56,"text":"I just wanted you to know that I've got Henry tied up here on a... We're trying to work out a couple of ambassadorial things."},{"start":37.58,"end":38.84,"text":"So he'll be there by 10.15."},{"start":38.86,"end":39.72,"text":"Is that okay?"},{"start":39.74,"end":40.1,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":40.32,"end":40.92,"text":"At your shop?"},{"start":41.02,"end":41.38,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":41.44,"end":41.77,"text":"Fine."},{"start":41.78,"end":45.93,"text":"And I've talked to him about... No, I think it's good for him to go over there."},{"start":46.05,"end":47.47,"text":"He stays here all the time."},{"start":48.03,"end":53.7,"text":"And I've talked to him a little about the background here so that he can fill you in a little."},{"start":53.78,"end":55.52,"text":"One thing I did want to mention to you, too,"},{"start":56.36,"end":61.81,"text":"I think it would be better for you not to bother doing the cabinet thing today."},{"start":61.99,"end":62.61,"text":"I'll tell you why."},{"start":63.35,"end":66.86,"text":"I noticed I got Volpe on, and Volpe's going to report on his trip."},{"start":67.58,"end":74.13,"text":"And what you say will so enormously overwhelm it that it won't let him structure it."},{"start":74.15,"end":75.47,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":75.49,"end":81.86,"text":"And also the things that you have that are really important to say about some of these things."},{"start":82.4,"end":85.17,"text":"I might ruffle Bill a bit."},{"start":85.33,"end":87.33,"text":"Do you think we should do it that way?"},{"start":87.49,"end":88.33,"text":"I think that's wise."},{"start":88.35,"end":93.97,"text":"And then at the Cabinet meeting, all I want you to do is to talk a little about Phase 2 and that sort of thing."},{"start":93.99,"end":94.45,"text":"Do you get my point?"},{"start":94.89,"end":95.41,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":95.43,"end":95.81,"text":"Good deal."},{"start":95.95,"end":96.76,"text":"All right, fine."},{"start":96.84,"end":97.54,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon calls Treasury Secretary John B. Connally to coordinate logistics for a meeting with Henry Kissinger and to adjust the agenda for an upcoming Cabinet session. Nixon advises Connally to refrain from making extensive remarks regarding major policy issues during the Cabinet meeting to avoid overshadowing Secretary John A. Volpe’s report and potential friction with Secretary of State William P. Rogers. Consequently, they decide that Connally will limit his Cabinet contribution to a discussion on Phase II economic policy.","topics":["John B. Connally","Henry A. 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