{"conversationCode":"014-111","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":111,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-111","startDateTime":"1971-11-15T23:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-15T23:09:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Nov-1971","startTime":"6:04 PM","endDate":"15-Nov-1971","endTime":"6:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Scott, Hugh;","description":"On November 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Hugh Scott talked on the telephone from 6:04 pm to 6:09 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 014-111 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 14-111\n\nDate: November 15, 1971\nTime: 6:04 pm - 6:09 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     Hugh Scott\n\nThe President talked with Scott.\n\n[See Conversation No. 617-23C]\n     The President's schedule\n\n     Michael J. Mansfield's meeting\n         -George D. Aiken and J. William Fulbright\n         -Continuing resolution for foreign aid\n                -Amount proposed\n\n     Continuing resolution for foreign aid\n          -Allen J. Ellender's schedule\n                -Committee\n          -Fulbright's views\n                -Language\n                -Mansfield Amendment\n                -Cooper-Church Amendment\n          -Ellender's announcement\n\n     Scott's meeting with Milton R. Young, Mansfield and Ellender\n           -Ellender's movie\n                 -The President's viewing\n\n     The President's meeting with congressional leaders\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Ellender's movie\n                -Young","filename":["014-111.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:29:28","tapeEnd":"03:32:08","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Scott, Hugh"],"prevCode":"014-110","nextCode":"014-112","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.13,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.35,"end":1.95,"text":"Senator Scott."},{"start":2.45,"end":3.76,"text":"Hello, Hugh, how are you?"},{"start":3.78,"end":4.4,"text":"I'm fine, sir."},{"start":5.9,"end":10.18,"text":"I was sorry I was in a cabinet meeting, just got through with it, but that's all right."},{"start":11.54,"end":26.44,"text":"Mike had the same senators who were down there, plus Aiken and Fulbright, in a meeting, and what came out of it was an agreement by all, including Fulbright, to approve a continuing resolution to December 1st with a"},{"start":26.86,"end":32.03,"text":"agreement among ourselves to extend it to Saturday the 4th if needed."},{"start":33.57,"end":41.58,"text":"Of course, under the law to continue at the 2.64 level, 2,640,000,000 level."},{"start":43.33,"end":46.89,"text":"I was not able to get Ellen to call that meeting tomorrow."},{"start":46.93,"end":54.42,"text":"The most he will do is call a meeting of both his subcommittee and then his full committee Wednesday morning to act on the resolution day after tomorrow."},{"start":55.52,"end":59.04,"text":"Fulbright is a little grumpy about the whole thing, but went along."},{"start":59.08,"end":68.12,"text":"He says, however, that he wants plenty of time in conference on the aid bill itself to insist on the so-called restrictive clauses."},{"start":69.44,"end":75.47,"text":"He says, I can tell you it'll Christmas if I don't get those clauses, but he doesn't seem so concerned on the amounts anymore."},{"start":76.49,"end":76.63,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":76.81,"end":78.35,"text":"He just wants the language."},{"start":78.47,"end":80.34,"text":"Yeah, Mansfield Amendment and that sort of thing."},{"start":80.38,"end":81.52,"text":"That sort of thing, yeah."},{"start":81.54,"end":84.26,"text":"Yeah, and Cooper Church, et cetera, et cetera."},{"start":84.28,"end":84.86,"text":"Cooper Church is out."},{"start":84.88,"end":86.18,"text":"He would not insist on that."},{"start":86.7,"end":87.44,"text":"Well, that's fine."},{"start":87.47,"end":93.35,"text":"The way it will work, then, they will announce this so that the— Yes, we agreed that Allender would announce it."},{"start":93.37,"end":95.11,"text":"That's a good way to tie into it."},{"start":95.17,"end":101.2,"text":"And then that way, then we go forward and for two days do it on faith, and then you pass it on Wednesday, yeah?"},{"start":101.36,"end":102.66,"text":"That's the plan, yes."},{"start":102.88,"end":103.62,"text":"Well, that's good."},{"start":104,"end":105.59,"text":"One light note, I went up—"},{"start":105.57,"end":109.11,"text":"to the hill with Milt Young in Mansfield, Maryland."},{"start":109.13,"end":113.22,"text":"I said, you know, it's the fifth time the president's promised to see my movies."},{"start":113.24,"end":114.56,"text":"I know."},{"start":114.58,"end":118.3,"text":"I put the damn thing up before Russia, but I'll see them."},{"start":119.39,"end":120.35,"text":"But I'll do it."},{"start":120.53,"end":121.23,"text":"I'll do it."},{"start":121.25,"end":121.97,"text":"I'll do it."},{"start":121.99,"end":123.07,"text":"Anyway, it was necessary."},{"start":123.17,"end":129.4,"text":"I thought all of you certainly played the role nicely, but I was, as you know, it was pretty tough, and I just felt we had to be"},{"start":130.02,"end":131.68,"text":"or we wouldn't have never gotten it out of them."},{"start":131.7,"end":133.33,"text":"Well, I think that's absolutely true."},{"start":133.47,"end":139.92,"text":"And if it were not for the fact that you put it on the skillful basis that you did, we wouldn't have gotten it."},{"start":140.67,"end":144.31,"text":"Well, I appreciated your help, Hugh, on it very much, very much."},{"start":144.58,"end":145.69,"text":"All right."},{"start":145.85,"end":149.1,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":154.14,"end":161.44,"text":"Thanks."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Senator Hugh Scott discussed a strategy to resolve a legislative impasse regarding a continuing resolution for foreign aid. Scott reported that he secured an agreement among key senators, including J. William Fulbright, to extend the funding through December 1st while allowing Chairman Allen J. Ellender to move the resolution through committee. The participants noted that while Fulbright remained focused on including restrictive language like the Mansfield Amendment, he was willing to compromise on funding levels and drop demands regarding the Cooper-Church Amendment.","topics":["Foreign aid","Continuing resolution","Senate relations","Legislative strategy","J. William Fulbright","Allen J. Ellender"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:06:37.219Z"},"topicSlugs":["foreign-aid","continuing-resolution","senate-relations","legislative-strategy","j-william-fulbright","allen-j-ellender"],"audioDurationSec":161,"audioFiles":[{"file":"014-111.mp3","bytes":5168226,"durationSec":161.39,"bitrate":256179,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.617Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/014-111.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/014-111","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/14/conversation-014-111","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}