{"conversationCode":"014-134","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":134,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-134","startDateTime":"1971-11-16T18:08:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-16T18:09:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Nov-1971","startTime":"1:08 PM","endDate":"16-Nov-1971","endTime":"1:09 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Flanigan, Peter M.;","description":"On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Peter M. Flanigan talked on the telephone from 1:08 pm to 1:09 pm. 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Connally's view\n\n     NATO Ambassador\n        -Thayer\n        -McCloy\n             -Kissinger\n\n     Williamson S. Stuckey, Jr.[?]\n          -Clark MacGregor's views","filename":["014-134.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:06:00","tapeEnd":"04:06:54","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Flanigan, Peter M.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Flanigan, Peter M."],"prevCode":"014-133","nextCode":"014-135","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.29,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.31,"end":2.05,"text":"Mr. Peter Flanagan?"},{"start":2.09,"end":2.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.56,"end":4.16,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.38,"end":4.72,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.04,"end":8,"text":"Do you have anything to report on Thayer, on the NATO thing yet?"},{"start":8.08,"end":13.05,"text":"I was waiting to hear the answer on McCloy, and Henry was going to tell me after his meeting this morning, but has not yet."},{"start":13.15,"end":13.87,"text":"He hasn't?"},{"start":13.89,"end":15.53,"text":"Well, I'll get after him and have him tell you."},{"start":15.97,"end":17.63,"text":"What about Amidon on Japan?"},{"start":17.91,"end":21.92,"text":"He shows some interest, and I'm going to see him at 2.15 this afternoon."},{"start":21.98,"end":23.86,"text":"And that's on Japan?"},{"start":24.12,"end":24.9,"text":"And that's on Japan."},{"start":25.1,"end":25.58,"text":"Right."},{"start":25.56,"end":25.98,"text":"Fine."},{"start":26,"end":29.79,"text":"I've cleared that one with Connolly, and I've cleared Thayer with him, so we're all right on that."},{"start":29.93,"end":33.96,"text":"Well, I can call Walter this afternoon if the other one... Do you happen to know?"},{"start":33.98,"end":34.7,"text":"Is the other one dead?"},{"start":34.76,"end":38.33,"text":"McCloy?"},{"start":38.51,"end":40.17,"text":"I'll have..."},{"start":40.19,"end":43.8,"text":"I don't know because I haven't seen Kissinger, but I'll find out."},{"start":44.14,"end":49.75,"text":"Incidentally, I did check on Stuckey, and he's not tough enough, according to Clark, so we're finding another fellow."},{"start":50.34,"end":50.7,"text":"All right."},{"start":51.14,"end":52.06,"text":"Okay."},{"start":52.1,"end":52.48,"text":"Good luck."},{"start":52.76,"end":53.98,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with Peter M. Flanigan regarding potential diplomatic appointments, specifically inquiring about progress on the NATO ambassadorship and a position concerning Japan. Flanigan indicated he was awaiting feedback from Henry Kissinger regarding John J. McCloy’s interest in the NATO post and confirmed an upcoming meeting with Hoyt Ammidon to discuss the Japanese assignment. Additionally, the two discussed personnel vetting, with Flanigan noting that William S. Stuckey, Jr. had been deemed unsuitable for a specific role following advice from Clark MacGregor.","topics":["NATO","Diplomatic Appointments","Japan","Personnel Vetting","Henry Kissinger","John B. 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