{"conversationCode":"014-144","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":144,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-144","startDateTime":"1971-11-16T23:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-16T23:40:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Nov-1971","startTime":"6:39 PM","endDate":"16-Nov-1971","endTime":"6:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; MacGregor, Clark;","description":"On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone from 6:39 pm to 6:40 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 014-144 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 14-144\n\nDate: November 16, 1971\nTime: 6:39 pm - 6:40 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     Clark MacGregor\n\nThe President talked with MacGregor.\n\n     Forthcoming congressional vote\n          -Edward P. Boland amendment\n               -Howard W. Robison's substitute\n               -The President's conversation with Gerald R. Ford","filename":["014-144.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:27:46","tapeEnd":"04:28:46","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","MacGregor, Clark"],"prevCode":"014-143","nextCode":"014-145","transcript":[{"start":0.6,"end":1.29,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.39,"end":1.95,"text":"Mr. McGregor."},{"start":3.26,"end":4.03,"text":"Hello, Clark."},{"start":4.05,"end":4.59,"text":"Yes, Mr. President."},{"start":4.61,"end":6.99,"text":"What's the report down there on that Boland thing?"},{"start":7.08,"end":10.85,"text":"We're confident that we're going to defeat it."},{"start":11.29,"end":11.91,"text":"When will they vote?"},{"start":12.27,"end":15.12,"text":"Should be within the next hour, Mr. President."},{"start":15.14,"end":15.8,"text":"I see."},{"start":16.16,"end":17.16,"text":"Estimated about 7.30."},{"start":17.64,"end":20.57,"text":"Can you get it up or down on that, or are they going to modify it?"},{"start":20.59,"end":30.57,"text":"Howard Robison of New York, unfortunately, is insisting on offering a substitute proposal, but we're going to try and get that cleared away so as to get the up or down vote that you wanted."},{"start":30.81,"end":32.57,"text":"What if we could just get it on that?"},{"start":32.55,"end":33.35,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":33.47,"end":35.55,"text":"The Bullen Amendment is so unconscionable."},{"start":35.89,"end":37.34,"text":"That's right."},{"start":37.36,"end":38.76,"text":"It's unbelievable."},{"start":39.02,"end":45.97,"text":"Well, if they do, let me say, I hate to have it happen in the House, but the blood is on their hands."},{"start":46.21,"end":46.65,"text":"I understand."},{"start":46.69,"end":53.28,"text":"And they do, too, Mr. President, as a result of your passing that word this morning to Jerry Ford and others."},{"start":54.1,"end":56.37,"text":"You made it crystal clear, and that was most helpful to us."},{"start":56.85,"end":57.47,"text":"All right, Clark."},{"start":57.69,"end":58.59,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with Clark MacGregor regarding the administration's strategy to defeat the impending Boland amendment during a scheduled congressional vote. MacGregor reported confidence in the outcome while noting efforts to suppress Howard W. Robison’s substitute proposal to ensure a clean up-or-down vote. Nixon emphasized the severe political consequences of the amendment, reinforcing the administration’s firm opposition previously communicated to Gerald R. Ford.","topics":["Boland amendment","Congressional relations","Legislative strategy","Howard W. Robison","Gerald R. Ford"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:09:42.575Z"},"topicSlugs":["boland-amendment","congressional-relations","legislative-strategy","howard-w-robison","gerald-r-ford"],"audioDurationSec":61,"audioFiles":[{"file":"014-144.mp3","bytes":1960805,"durationSec":61.15,"bitrate":256532,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.618Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/014-144.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/014-144","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/14/conversation-014-144","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}