{"conversationCode":"014-146","tapeNumber":14,"conversationNumber":146,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-014-146","startDateTime":"1971-11-17T00:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-17T00:18:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Nov-1971","startTime":"7:17 PM","endDate":"16-Nov-1971","endTime":"7:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Flanigan, Peter M.;","description":"On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Peter M. Flanigan talked on the telephone from 7:17 pm to 7:18 pm. 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(President)","White House operator","Flanigan, Peter M."],"prevCode":"014-145","nextCode":"014-147","transcript":[{"start":0.3,"end":10.86,"text":"What's your honest opinion?"},{"start":10.88,"end":23.89,"text":"My honest opinion is I'd rather have Renshard, somebody a little younger, and I'm uneasy about championships."},{"start":24.62,"end":27.36,"text":"Going back, I know."},{"start":27.38,"end":30.14,"text":"Yeah, that really is my problem."},{"start":30.34,"end":35.97,"text":"Quite frankly, this afternoon, I was talking with one of my friends up there who sat next to me at dinner the other night, and apparently he didn't handle himself quite as well as... Fine, okay."},{"start":35.99,"end":37.59,"text":"Wrenchard is the one, okay."},{"start":37.61,"end":38.83,"text":"I haven't been able to reach him."},{"start":38.85,"end":42.48,"text":"Fine, well, let's give a real whack at that one, okay?"},{"start":42.5,"end":44.84,"text":"Yes, sir, I will."},{"start":44.86,"end":52.03,"text":"You know, another one that might be able to do that would be, what do you think of Hougie?"},{"start":54.77,"end":58.42,"text":"I think he'd be great if he took it."},{"start":58.44,"end":59.68,"text":"I think he'd be superb."},{"start":59.7,"end":60.54,"text":"Yeah, he knows more."},{"start":61.3,"end":62.6,"text":"He knows more."},{"start":62.62,"end":67.65,"text":"He's more prestigious in the way that they would like him to be prestigious."},{"start":67.67,"end":71.87,"text":"I think the odds of Gabe doing it are very small."},{"start":71.89,"end":73.77,"text":"Take a first crack at him, will you?"},{"start":73.79,"end":74.03,"text":"Sure I will."},{"start":74.41,"end":76.42,"text":"Take him first."},{"start":76.76,"end":77.5,"text":"I'll try him first."},{"start":77.52,"end":82.12,"text":"Do you know John Meyer, who just retired as the head of Morgan Charity?"},{"start":82.14,"end":83.04,"text":"No, I don't know him."},{"start":83.53,"end":87.72,"text":"He's very highly regarded."},{"start":87.74,"end":98.22,"text":"Frankly, I don't know him either, and I don't know whether he could honestly be said to be your man, whereas I know Renshardt would be, and I think Gabe would be."},{"start":98.24,"end":98.64,"text":"Gabe would be, sure."},{"start":98.66,"end":102.07,"text":"But Meyers, well, a Republican, I don't, I've never... All right, stick with these two at the moment."},{"start":102.09,"end":102.69,"text":"All right."},{"start":102.71,"end":102.81,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":102.83,"end":104.83,"text":"Take Hauge to first order."},{"start":104.85,"end":104.95,"text":"Fine."},{"start":104.97,"end":105.08,"text":"Sure."},{"start":105.09,"end":106.8,"text":"If you'd like to be asked."},{"start":106.82,"end":107.54,"text":"Well, I'm sure of that."},{"start":107.56,"end":107.66,"text":"Okay."},{"start":108.02,"end":108.7,"text":"All right."},{"start":108.72,"end":111.31,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Peter M. Flanigan discuss potential candidates for an unspecified high-level appointment, weighing the merits of various banking and finance figures. They express a preference for Gabriel Hauge due to his prestige and alignment with the administration, while also considering William S. Renchard as a viable alternative. Flanigan is tasked with prioritizing an outreach attempt to Hauge to determine his interest in the position.","topics":["Personnel appointments","Gabriel Hauge","William S. Renchard","Executive recruitment","Banking industry"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:09:53.429Z"},"topicSlugs":["personnel-appointments","gabriel-hauge","william-s-renchard","executive-recruitment","banking-industry"],"audioDurationSec":111,"audioFiles":[{"file":"014-146.mp3","bytes":3564099,"durationSec":111.26,"bitrate":256276,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.618Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/014-146.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/014-146","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/14/conversation-014-146","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}