Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 14 › Conversation 014-155

Nixon phone call with Ehrlichman on H.R. 1 and Tax legislation

Wednesday, November 17, 1971 · 2:48 PM–2:50 PM ET · White House Telephone · 58 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Ehrlichman, John D.Conversation014-155 on Tape 14 (tape position 04:54:28–04:55:27)StartWednesday, November 17, 1971 at 2:48 PMEndWednesday, November 17, 1971 at 2:50 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 014-155 ↗

President Nixon and John Ehrlichman discuss the strategic implications of Senator Charles Percy’s proposed amendment to H.R. 1, the pending tax bill. Nixon argues that yielding to Percy on the amendment creates a legislative scenario where the bill might fail or require a presidential veto, whereas avoiding the amendment ensures the passage of a bill he is obligated to sign. After confirming that George Shultz concurs with this assessment, they reach a consensus to prioritize the bill's passage over legislative confrontation.

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Mr. Perry, Mr. John Ehrlichman?
Yeah.
Hello, John.
The way that you can best explain it to the budget boys is this, which I think they'll see it clearly.
The question is really giving in to Percy on H.R.
1, something that there's a chance that we can, that may not pass, and that we could, if necessary, veto.
or being stuck with a tax bill, something which I have to sign.
That's the difference as I see it.
And I think the choice is pretty clear under those circumstances.
Don't you agree?
Right.
I just talked to George about that.
He sees that.
I just got to sign the tax bill.
We can all talk that we're going to be brave and veto our own tax bill, but by God, not now.
Well, as soon as he heard that, he saw it.
Okay.
All right.

On November 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 2:48 pm to 2:50 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 014-155 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 14-155

Date: November 17, 1971
Time: 2:48 pm - 2:50 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with the White House operator.

     John D. Ehrlichman

Ehrlichman talked with the President.

[See Conversation No. 293-7]

     Charles H. Percy's possible amendment to Tax Bill
          -House Resolution 1 [H.R. 1]
          -Ehrlichman's conversation with George P. Shultz
          -Veto
  • 293-033 2:41 PM · 23 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:41 pm to 3:10 pm.
  • 293-007 2:48 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:48 pm to 2:50 pm.
  • 293-008 2:50 PM · 29 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:50 pm and 2:53 pm.
  • 014-156 2:53 PM · 1 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 4:00 pm.
  • 014-157 2:53 PM · 2 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and James D. ("Don") Hughes talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 4:00 pm.
  • 015-001 2:53 PM · 30 sec — unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 5:23 pm.
  • 015-002 2:53 PM · 19 sec — unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 5:23 pm.
  • 293-009 2:53 PM · 56 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Bruce J. Kehrli, White House operator, and James D. ("Don") Hughes met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:53 pm to 4:00 pm.

Conversation 014-155, November 17, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/014-155 (accessed October 12, 2026).