{"conversationCode":"015-021","tapeNumber":15,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-015-021","startDateTime":"1971-11-18T13:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-18T13:13:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Nov-1971","startTime":"8:12 AM","endDate":"18-Nov-1971","endTime":"8:13 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On November 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 8:12 am to 8:13 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 15-21\n\nDate: November 18, 1971\nTime: 8:12 am - 8:13 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\nHaldeman talked with the President.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 294-4]\n\n     George P. Shultz\n          -Call to George Meany\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]\n               convention\n               -Pay Board","filename":["015-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:26:29","tapeEnd":"00:27:10","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"015-020","nextCode":"015-022","transcript":[{"start":1.47,"end":1.87,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.05,"end":3.45,"text":"Mr. Haldeman, sir."},{"start":3.47,"end":4.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.25,"end":5.41,"text":"You are."},{"start":5.43,"end":6.03,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6.05,"end":13.44,"text":"Yeah, George has got to call Meany, you know, before they open the convention at 9 this morning and set a time."},{"start":14,"end":22.85,"text":"It seems to me we ought to just confirm 10.30 tomorrow and announce it at 10 o'clock today so we get rid of speculation."},{"start":23.21,"end":29.5,"text":"Well, yeah, but, I mean, regardless, you mean, of what they do about staying in or out of the pay boards?"},{"start":29.92,"end":30.22,"text":"Well..."},{"start":31.33,"end":34.69,"text":"That you're not going to know until 3 or 4."},{"start":35.25,"end":35.63,"text":"Well, fine."},{"start":35.65,"end":37.44,"text":"We'll just wait till we find out this afternoon."},{"start":37.62,"end":38.54,"text":"We'll just wait till we find out."},{"start":38.56,"end":39.3,"text":"Just let me know."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman coordinate the timing of a critical phone call between George Shultz and AFL-CIO leader George Meany regarding the organization's participation in the Pay Board. They discuss whether to pre-emptively announce a meeting time to curb public speculation or wait for the outcome of the AFL-CIO convention proceedings. Ultimately, the pair decides to postpone the announcement until the labor union's position becomes clearer later that afternoon.","topics":["AFL-CIO","George Meany","George Shultz","Pay Board","Labor relations","Economic policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:12:57.666Z"},"topicSlugs":["afl-cio","george-meany","george-shultz","pay-board","labor-relations","economic-policy"],"audioDurationSec":40,"audioFiles":[{"file":"015-021.mp3","bytes":964230,"durationSec":40.12,"bitrate":192273,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.618Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/015-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/15/conversation-015-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}