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Conversation 015-038

TapeTape 15StartThursday, November 18, 1971 at 3:47 PMEndThursday, November 18, 1971 at 3:51 PMTape start time00:47:13Tape end time00:50:50ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  White House operator;  Colson, Charles W.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On November 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 3:47 pm to 3:51 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-038 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 15-38

Date: November 18, 1971
Time: 3:47 pm - 3:51 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with the White House operator.

     Charles W. Colson

The President talked with Colson.
[See also Conversation No. 294-22D]

     John B. Connally
          -Conversation with Colson
               -Briefing book
          -Meetings with the President, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman and Henry A.
               Kissinger
          -Schedule
          -Arthur F. Burns
               -Money supply

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/19/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
[Personal Returnable]
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[Duration: 8s]

      John B. Connally
             -Arthur F. Burns
                    -Campaign money supply
                           -Interest in forthcoming political conversation

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     Senate
          -Tax Bill
               -Deductions
          -Campaign check-off provision
               -Possible veto

     Gross National Product [GNP]
          -Shultz

     Connally announcement

     H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -The President's possible call to Connally

     Connally's speech

     Haldeman
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Mr. Colson, Mr. President.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
How about, did you get to John on that?
Yes, sir.
We had an hour together, and let's see, does he look to it with favor?
No, he started out just the way I thought, with a little bit of apprehension over all the pressures on him.
And as we talked and went through all the reasons, he came around on it entirely.
He, at one point, said, well, I'll do it if the president wants me to do it anyway, and there's no point.
discussing that i said no no i said that isn't the point he specifically said that he didn't want to do it on that basis only if you agreed with us
And I gave him all the reasons, and then he turned around and said, yes, I do agree with you, and let's do it.
So I promised him a briefing book and stuff.
What day?
Monday.
Monday.
And he would meet with you on Tuesday.
And then he'll have the meeting with Schultz and, what's his name, Kissinger Tuesday.
I would assume all I told him is that... Well, this comes first.
He's got to have the time and everything on this, and...
Briefing book and so forth good.
Well, I'll give him all of that.
We had a very good discussion of a lot of other things How is he feeling good?
He's way up and he was did he been did you did you get into money supply about burns?
No, that's the one subject that I guess we didn't hear we talked about everything What's he think of what the Senate is doing in that tax bill I
He's probably apoplectic.
I am.
I'm just unbelievable.
You mean on the campaign check-off?
No, that damn thing.
No, but the other irresponsible things.
You know, they're going to have babysitter deductions.
That's awful.
Jesus Christ.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
We'll have to sign it.
Well, I said to him, we ought to veto it if it has this campaign check-off.
And he said, oh, hell no.
No, no.
He said, I got a way around that.
He said, the forms have already gone out for next year.
And he said, yeah.
And we'll modify it.
He said, well, I'll send out a special bulletin to taxpayers.
And he said, then we'll put out a lot of stories about how confused the Treasury is and they can't handle all this.
And he said, nobody will give any money.
That's right.
He said, God, he's a clever fellow.
Well, on this thing, though, he felt, though, he could take a bullish position, right?
Oh, yes, and we went into the GNP thing, and he wants to really hit that.
His attitude is just like yours and mine, Mr. President.
I'm going to talk to you just based on what Connolly said.
He just said we should stop putting out the preliminaries.
Yeah.
And he really gets very... Good.
He said, look, I've been here in this town.
I know what those bastards and those agencies do.
And he said, we've just got to get a handle on it.
Well, let's help them all we can, and let's build it up.
When can it be announced?
Will he announce it?
Yes, sir.
And what I...
suggested to him was he do it tomorrow, I'll work with him on it.
But then we want to just build up that thing as a major press conference.
I went through the whole thing with him and I think he's all on board.
You told him that I was going to hit the next week.
Yes, sir.
I just told Haldeman of the conversation and told Bob that if he filled you in, you might want to call Connolly and say, great, if you get a chance.
I made it very clear we weren't ordering him out.
In other words, not to call him yet, though.
Or I am to call him.
Well, I think you could do it almost any time.
Oh, yeah.
All right, fine.
I mean, any time you feel like it, just... Fine.
Because he was very flattered that you had read his economics speech.
I told him you had read that.
Yeah, I did.
And he said, did he read it?
He responds to that.
He told me to.
Okay, I'll check with Holloman.
Yes, sir.
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