{"conversationCode":"015-091","tapeNumber":15,"conversationNumber":91,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-015-091","startDateTime":"1971-11-22T18:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-22T18:32:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Nov-1971","startTime":"1:30 PM","endDate":"22-Nov-1971","endTime":"1:32 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); MacGregor, Clark;","description":"On November 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone from 1:30 pm to 1:32 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-091 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 15-91\n\nDate: November 22, 1971\nTime: 1:30 pm - 1:32 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Clark MacGregor.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 293-24]\n\n     Campaign financing\n         -Possible veto\n         -Hugh Scott\n         -Robert P. Griffin\n         -John B. Connally's press conference\n         -William B. Spong, Jr.\n         -James B. Allen\n         -B. Everett Jordan\n         -Melvin R. Laird\n               -John C. Stennis\n                    -Karl E. Mundt\n         -Jack R. Miller","filename":["015-091.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:01:37","tapeEnd":"03:03:18","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","MacGregor, Clark"],"prevCode":"015-090","nextCode":"015-092","transcript":[{"start":1.21,"end":2.05,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.23,"end":2.98,"text":"Yes, Mr. President."},{"start":3.66,"end":18.07,"text":"With regard to that vote this afternoon, I guess that now everything has been done that can be done, isn't it, what you say, as far as... You've got the word that you, of course, can use that..."},{"start":18.2,"end":23.13,"text":"you weren't shooting a blank with regard to the possibility of a consideration of veto, for example."},{"start":23.33,"end":23.63,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":23.71,"end":25.24,"text":"I don't know whether that would help any."},{"start":25.3,"end":25.64,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":25.68,"end":27.24,"text":"Maybe it would have the other direction."},{"start":27.26,"end":31.47,"text":"Well, I pass it on to Senator Scott and Senator Griffin to use as they see fit."},{"start":32.71,"end":40.5,"text":"And we're getting copies of the exact transcript of the questions and answers of the John Connolly press conference that relate to this issue and getting those up there."},{"start":40.73,"end":48.36,"text":"Hopefully they'll be of some help with some of the Southern Democrats that we're working on, Spong and Allen, Jordan and so forth."},{"start":49.45,"end":50.77,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":50.79,"end":52.01,"text":"We think we're doing everything we can."},{"start":52.03,"end":53.03,"text":"I think you are."},{"start":53.17,"end":54.63,"text":"By God, we..."},{"start":55.45,"end":57.46,"text":"There's nothing..."},{"start":57.48,"end":58.9,"text":"I don't think there's anything we can do."},{"start":58.92,"end":60.9,"text":"Now, Laird is working on Stennis, is he?"},{"start":61.06,"end":62.3,"text":"Yes, and..."},{"start":62.67,"end":64.39,"text":"Stennis, I think, is going to be all right."},{"start":64.45,"end":68.76,"text":"Stennis has said it may be that I'll have to give a live pair to someone."},{"start":68.8,"end":69.76,"text":"Well, give it to Munt."},{"start":70.2,"end":71.41,"text":"Give it to Munt is what we're working on."},{"start":71.95,"end":73.65,"text":"We're working on a Munt-Stennis pair."},{"start":74.57,"end":74.67,"text":"Good."},{"start":74.69,"end":75.94,"text":"But we'll use that as a fallback."},{"start":75.98,"end":81.89,"text":"We want John's negative vote if we possibly can, but if we can't get it to... A live pair is... A live pair is the next best thing."},{"start":81.95,"end":82.89,"text":"That's a half a vote."},{"start":82.91,"end":83.65,"text":"But you're live."},{"start":84.14,"end":88.13,"text":"And we may need that half vote."},{"start":88.15,"end":88.75,"text":"We think we do."},{"start":88.89,"end":91.1,"text":"It would be great to win one by one vote."},{"start":91.28,"end":92.83,"text":"Oh, it would be, Mr. President."},{"start":94.05,"end":94.85,"text":"Don't lose Miller."},{"start":96.44,"end":97.54,"text":"Okay."},{"start":97.56,"end":97.9,"text":"All right."},{"start":97.92,"end":100.81,"text":"All right, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Clark MacGregor coordinated final lobbying efforts regarding an upcoming legislative vote on campaign financing. They discussed the tactical use of a potential presidential veto threat and the distribution of John Connally's recent press conference transcripts to sway Southern Democratic senators. The conversation concluded with a review of vote-pairing strategies, specifically targeting Senator John Stennis to ensure his opposition or a neutral pair, while emphasizing the need to retain Senator Jack Miller’s support.","topics":["Campaign financing","Legislative lobbying","Presidential veto","Senate vote pairing","John Connally"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:19:24.604Z"},"topicSlugs":["campaign-financing","legislative-lobbying","presidential-veto","senate-vote-pairing","john-connally"],"audioDurationSec":101,"audioFiles":[{"file":"015-091.mp3","bytes":2419982,"durationSec":100.76,"bitrate":192134,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.618Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/015-091.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-091","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/15/conversation-015-091","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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