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Conversation 015-107

TapeTape 15StartMonday, November 22, 1971 at 6:13 PMEndMonday, November 22, 1971 at 6:15 PMTape start time03:27:46Tape end time03:29:56ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  White House operator;  MacGregor, ClarkRecording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On November 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone from 6:13 pm to 6:15 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-107 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 15-107

Date: November 22, 1971
Time: 6:13 pm - 6:15 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with the White House operator.

     Clark MacGregor

MacGregor talked with the President.

[See also Conversation No. 622-15C]

     Tax Bill vote
          -Title 10 of John O. Pastore's amendment
          -Charles McC. Mathias
          -Clifford P. Case
          -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
          -Harry F. Byrd, Jr.
          -John C. Stennis
          -John L. McClellan
          -James O. Eastland
          -Veto
                -Robert P. Griffin
                      -Automobile industry consideration
                      -Meeting with the President
                -Gerald L. Warren
                      -Statement to press
                            -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -House conferees
                -Check-off provision
                      -White House opposition

     Breakfast meeting
          -William E. Timmons
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Mr. Clark McGregor.
Yeah.
There you are, sir.
Mr. President, I'm sorry to bring you the bad news.
I figured it was that.
We lost at 52 to 47.
We lost on the critical vote on Title 10 of Pastore.
We lost Matthias and Case.
Five Democrats voted with us, Irvin Bird, Stennis McClellan, and Eastland.
Without the two Republican defections, we'd have been beaten 50 to 49, just as I anticipated.
So it didn't make any difference, but it made 52 to 49.
Well, we'll have a little fun vetoing it.
You're going to be there at breakfast in the morning, right?
Yes, sir.
What about Griffin?
Will he stand up for a veto?
Yes.
Will he?
I think he will.
He was very strong in his auto thing.
I'd talk to him frankly about that tomorrow, Mr. President.
He'd be flattered if you did.
Oh, I'm going to ask him.
I'm going to ask them what they think we ought to do.
Good.
I got a piece of paper in to you, but I don't need to give you any guidance on what to bring up tomorrow.
No, no, no.
I'll have the piece of paper, too, but we'll go at 8 o'clock.
I wanted also to be sure that I wasn't exceeding any authority that I should have.
Jerry Warren's been concerned about what he should say to the press, and what I did was to take...
The Ray Price drafted statement that we did not use Saturday, and I reworked it, cut it way down, and I said, I don't think you ought to issue it, but you ought to use it as a guide in saying that the president feels that this amendment is both unsound and unwise, and that he urges the House of Representatives to reject it.
and then point out why it was unsound and unwise.
Well, the House won't get a chance to reject it, will they?
Mr. President, the conferees, of course, from the House will be acting, and under the new House rules, any House member can demand a separate vote on this tax checkoff idea, and the House, therefore, will have a vote.
Assuming that the conferees keep it in.
How in the hell are you going to get, you mean you might, are you going to try to work the House?
We're going to try, Mr. President.
We're going to try everything.
But I think it's important for you to say that you urge the House to reject it so that every step along the way you're fighting it and pointing out the dangers.
Mr. President, if I might be so bold, I think it would be very helpful if we could have Bill Timmons at breakfast, too.
Fine.
Bring him along.
Good.
Thank you, sir.
Sorry we lost you.
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