{"conversationCode":"015-119","tapeNumber":15,"conversationNumber":119,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-015-119","startDateTime":"1971-11-23T22:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-23T22:47:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Nov-1971","startTime":"5:44 PM","endDate":"23-Nov-1971","endTime":"5:47 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On November 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone from 5:44 pm to 5:47 pm. 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Kissinger and Shultz\n               -Connally's meeting with Burns\n                      -Money supply\n               -Kissinger and Shultz\n               -The President's trip to California for Eisenhower Center event\n               -Time\n          -Meeting with Burns, Kissinger, Connally and Shultz\n               -Time","filename":["015-119.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:40:11","tapeEnd":"03:43:26","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"015-118","nextCode":"015-120","transcript":[{"start":0.25,"end":4.94,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.56,"end":8.72,"text":"Let me spend a minute to be sure that I know."},{"start":9.44,"end":15.53,"text":"We meet tomorrow at 10, I understand, with Schultz and Ehrlichman, and that's on budget, that's on tax."},{"start":16.61,"end":21.06,"text":"And at 1130, it says here that you and Burns and I meet."},{"start":21.63,"end":24.62,"text":"I don't believe I'd been notified of that, but that's fine."},{"start":24.64,"end":27.87,"text":"Yeah, well, the only thing I was... Well, apparently he's coming."},{"start":28.3,"end":30.34,"text":"The only thing I was wondering about is..."},{"start":31.74,"end":40.65,"text":"whether or not you and I and Kissinger and Schultz ought to sit down to get our ducks in a row before we talk to Burns."},{"start":41.37,"end":45.66,"text":"Remember, you said the day that you thought that the whole group ought to meet with Burns or something."},{"start":45.77,"end":46.14,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":46.88,"end":48.4,"text":"And I'm just trying to..."},{"start":48.66,"end":52.18,"text":"So I can clear an earlier morning thing for you, like a 9 o'clock thing."},{"start":54.47,"end":58.27,"text":"But you tell me what you think is the best plan, because the one thing I'm concerned about, John..."},{"start":58.76,"end":65.37,"text":"I think it's very important that we get Burns lined up so that he doesn't go over there and try to call the signals."},{"start":65.43,"end":65.71,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":66.13,"end":66.59,"text":"Don't you agree?"},{"start":66.69,"end":66.99,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":67.15,"end":70.48,"text":"He's got to support whatever you do, you see."},{"start":70.6,"end":72.32,"text":"Here's what I thought might work out."},{"start":72.34,"end":74.83,"text":"I'm going to have breakfast with him in the morning."},{"start":75.12,"end":75.61,"text":"With Burns?"},{"start":75.71,"end":76.09,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":76.11,"end":77.71,"text":"Good."},{"start":78.2,"end":84.23,"text":"I'm going to hit him primarily on the money thing and then try to set him up for you to hit him on the money supply."},{"start":84.35,"end":85.05,"text":"All right, good."},{"start":85.07,"end":88.09,"text":"And then while we're there, make that the principal point of discussion."},{"start":88.83,"end":94.69,"text":"But then get into this other thing and just say, now, y'all tell me how you analyze this thing."},{"start":94.67,"end":96.19,"text":"And let both of us talk."},{"start":96.23,"end":96.89,"text":"Let him talk."},{"start":96.93,"end":97.57,"text":"Let me talk."},{"start":98.33,"end":100.54,"text":"And then you say, well, let me think about this."},{"start":100.6,"end":102.32,"text":"And then, frankly, I want to talk to Henry."},{"start":102.34,"end":104.08,"text":"There's some foreign policy things in here."},{"start":104.56,"end":107.19,"text":"And I want to talk to George some about this."},{"start":107.43,"end":112.18,"text":"What I probably will do is get all of you all back together and we'll thrice this out and settle it."},{"start":112.2,"end":113.72,"text":"And I'll give you some directions."},{"start":114.29,"end":115.69,"text":"and maybe the next day."},{"start":117.08,"end":118.22,"text":"Well, the next day is Thanksgiving."},{"start":118.44,"end":118.92,"text":"Oh, that's right."},{"start":119.2,"end":120.19,"text":"Well, maybe tomorrow afternoon."},{"start":120.58,"end":125.88,"text":"Tomorrow afternoon, you'd call... Then call Henry."},{"start":126.06,"end":128.76,"text":"See, I'll be gone, unfortunately, but Henry will be gone."},{"start":129.54,"end":130.41,"text":"See, I'll be gone Friday."},{"start":130.43,"end":133.27,"text":"I've got to go to California, see, for that Eisenhower thing."},{"start":133.35,"end":134.51,"text":"Well, I see."},{"start":134.53,"end":134.92,"text":"Well..."},{"start":135.25,"end":138.86,"text":"How about doing it late in the afternoon Friday?"},{"start":139.16,"end":139.86,"text":"Wednesday, I mean."},{"start":139.96,"end":141.84,"text":"Sure, do it late tomorrow afternoon."},{"start":141.86,"end":142.9,"text":"Is 5 o'clock all right with you?"},{"start":142.92,"end":143.64,"text":"Sure."},{"start":143.72,"end":145.29,"text":"I'll tell you, we could do it a little earlier."},{"start":145.31,"end":146.03,"text":"How about 4.30?"},{"start":146.13,"end":147.21,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":147.23,"end":151.9,"text":"4.30 is... We set up a meeting then of what people?"},{"start":152.36,"end":155.87,"text":"I would say Arthur, me, George, me."},{"start":156.21,"end":157.03,"text":"That's right, and myself."},{"start":157.19,"end":157.49,"text":"And you."},{"start":157.73,"end":158.19,"text":"That's all."},{"start":158.21,"end":158.57,"text":"Okay."},{"start":159.09,"end":160.07,"text":"4.30 for the group."},{"start":160.25,"end":160.95,"text":"The full group."},{"start":161.53,"end":164.71,"text":"That'll give him the feeling that he got..."},{"start":164.73,"end":165.57,"text":"He got consulted."},{"start":165.59,"end":166.8,"text":"He got consulted."},{"start":166.82,"end":169.5,"text":"But then at the 4.30 meeting, we should have our ducks in a row."},{"start":169.59,"end":169.84,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":169.87,"end":171.11,"text":"And I ought to lay it out there."},{"start":171.13,"end":171.37,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":171.75,"end":171.91,"text":"Fine."},{"start":171.99,"end":172.55,"text":"That's a correction."},{"start":172.63,"end":178.39,"text":"And I should tell him at 11.30 that I'm going to think about this thing and that we ought to get together at 4.30."},{"start":178.37,"end":180.53,"text":"All right, I'll see that the others are informed."},{"start":181.05,"end":185.66,"text":"And shall I see that he's told that he wants to come back at 4.30 so that he keeps the time?"},{"start":186.49,"end":187.45,"text":"Or do you want to tell him?"},{"start":187.47,"end":189.65,"text":"No, I think you better have it done from here."},{"start":189.9,"end":192.26,"text":"Yes, sir, I think you better come from there."},{"start":192.28,"end":193.22,"text":"Okay, I'll do that."},{"start":193.34,"end":193.91,"text":"All right, thank you."},{"start":193.99,"end":194.69,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Treasury Secretary John Connally coordinated their strategy for managing Federal Reserve Chairman Arthur Burns regarding monetary policy and upcoming economic discussions. They planned a two-stage approach: Connally would meet with Burns individually to prep him on the money supply, followed by a larger 4:30 PM meeting involving Nixon, Connally, Burns, George Shultz, and Henry Kissinger. 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