Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 15 › Conversation 015-129

Nixon phone call with MacGregor on Senate adjournment

Tuesday, November 23, 1971 · 7:16 PM–7:19 PM ET · White House Telephone · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; MacGregor, ClarkConversation015-129 on Tape 15 (tape position 03:52:41–03:55:39)StartTuesday, November 23, 1971 at 7:16 PMEndTuesday, November 23, 1971 at 7:19 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 015-129 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Clark MacGregor discuss a favorable recent Senate vote and the potential forestalling of the Cooper-Church amendment. MacGregor provides an update on the legislative schedule, noting the possibility of an early Senate adjournment, which would allow the President to depart for California sooner. Additionally, the President speaks briefly with Anna Chennault to acknowledge her ongoing fundraising efforts and express appreciation for her political support.

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Hello.
Mr. McGregor, sir.
Mr. President, I already got the news.
That was a great vote.
One of the things that I wanted to stress to you, first, I wanted to be a bringer of good news, but the party division was very helpful, Mr. President, and shows a very good trend.
37 Republicans voting with you to support your position, only five against.
Great.
The Democrats divided 34 to 17 against you.
So the Democrats 2-1 against you.
The Republicans almost 8-1 for you.
So this is a thing I've been working on, and this is a darn good development, I tell you.
That's a very good development.
It really is.
And a very good day in the care for the next few months, I think.
Right.
The spirit is good, and you're very nice to call me back, sir.
You certainly didn't need to.
The guys were happy about it, weren't they?
Oh, yeah.
And Cooper Church may not come up, huh?
It may not come up at all.
John Sherman Cooper, I talked to him twice this afternoon.
He is not going to be a party.
He will not bring it up.
He will not be a party to bringing it up.
And Frank Church deserves a lost heart.
We haven't heard anything about a Church Cooper amendment.
He's not filed it.
And time is going short, so perhaps we won't have one at all.
What's the situation tomorrow?
What time are they going to get out?
Well, they're talking, Mr. President, about staying in to finish tonight.
And if they do, it'll probably be 10.30 or 11 o'clock tonight before they finish.
And they'll have no business with any consequence tomorrow.
Probably just a perfunctory session.
And we'll probably be out by 1 or 1.30.
Oh, really?
Yes.
I hope to God that's true, then I can take off a little earlier.
Well, I can call back and leave a message there.
Oh, you call back whenever it is.
We'll know before 10 o'clock.
Okay, give me a call, will you?
All right, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you for calling.
Give my best to Anna Chanel.
Is she there?
Yes, she's right here.
I'll talk to her, yeah.
Just a second, please.
Hello.
How are you?
Mr. President?
Yes.
Oh, we are raising money for the Air Force.
You know, we believe in defense.
That's great.
And so very kind of you.
Well, you've been a great friend.
And you've been doing a wonderful job.
And you know that we're, you know, we appreciate everything you've done through the years.
Wow.
Just tell everybody to have confidence in what I'm doing.
All right, I shall.
And we keep on fighting and give you 100% support, Mr. President.
Well, you're a great lady.
We appreciate it.
Thank you, Mr. President.
I'll call later if we can get worried about an early adjournment.
If you do, bye.
Thank you, sir.
Bye.

NARA Description

On November 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone from 7:16 pm to 7:19 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-129 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 15-129

Date: November 23, 1971
Time: 7:16 pm - 7:19 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with the White House operator.

     Clark MacGregor

The President talked with MacGregor.

     Unknown vote
         -Party breakdown

     John Sherman Cooper-Frank F. Church amendment
          -Cooper
               -Conversation with MacGregor
          -Church

     Senate adjournment
          -Schedule, 11/24
          -The President's trip to California
          -MacGregor's callback

     Anna C. Chennault

The President talked with Chennault at an unknown time.

     Air force
           -Raising money

     Expression of support

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/20/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
[Personal Returnable]
[015-129-w001]
[Duration: 5s]

       1972 election
              -Anna C. Chennault’s work on behalf of the President

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The President talked with Clark MacGregor.

     Senate adjournment
          -MacGregor's callback

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  • 624-003 8:02 AM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:02 am and 8:08 am.
  • 624-004 8:02 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:02 am and 8:08 am.
  • 015-133 8:08 AM · 37 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone from 8:08 am to 8:09 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 015-129, November 24, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-129 (accessed October 12, 2026).