{"conversationCode":"015-141","tapeNumber":15,"conversationNumber":141,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-015-141","startDateTime":"1971-11-29T15:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-29T15:58:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Nov-1971","startTime":"10:45 AM","endDate":"29-Nov-1971","endTime":"10:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); MacGregor, Clark;","description":"On November 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Clark MacGregor talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:45 am and 10:58 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-141 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 15-141\n\nDate: November 29, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 10:45 am and 10:58 am\n\fLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Clark MacGregor.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 625-14A]\n\n     Statement for the President\n          -Tax Bill\n          -Circulation\n                -Wilbur D. Mills\n                -Russell B. Long\n                -Republicans\n                -Democrats","filename":["015-141.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:06:08","tapeEnd":"04:07:10","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","MacGregor, Clark"],"prevCode":"015-140","nextCode":"015-142","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":2.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.29,"end":3.03,"text":"Yes, Mr. President."},{"start":3.05,"end":20.23,"text":"It occurred to me that what you ought to do is to sort of get off a statement that you could let me sort of take a look at as to what you, that you go out and say, I have a statement with regard to this, the tax bill, which I've been, which the President has authorized me to make, and so forth."},{"start":20.59,"end":20.89,"text":"Fine."},{"start":20.97,"end":22.14,"text":"And then you do it in a third person."},{"start":22.66,"end":25.64,"text":"And then, and get off the best thing, you could bring that in to me."},{"start":25.66,"end":29.46,"text":"Then it seems to me that in order to build a little sentiment for our statement,"},{"start":29.68,"end":40.39,"text":"that you ought to have that bicycled around to, I mean, in courtesy, give it to, I'd give it sort of to the last minute to Mills and Long, you know what I mean?"},{"start":40.81,"end":40.93,"text":"Right."},{"start":40.95,"end":42.07,"text":"So that they have it before."},{"start":42.11,"end":42.55,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":42.57,"end":43.79,"text":"So that it doesn't hit them that way."},{"start":43.81,"end":47.82,"text":"But then I'd give it to the Republicans and say, now, it's a half hour..."},{"start":48.94,"end":54.97,"text":"half-hour, give them a half-hour notice so that some of them can really get up and back it up."},{"start":55.01,"end":55.43,"text":"See what I mean?"},{"start":55.51,"end":55.73,"text":"Good."},{"start":56.21,"end":56.69,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":56.95,"end":57.76,"text":"Right, Mr. President."},{"start":57.77,"end":59.42,"text":"Democratic people, to say the same."},{"start":59.5,"end":59.82,"text":"All right."},{"start":59.92,"end":60.48,"text":"I think we will."},{"start":61.2,"end":61.54,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Clark MacGregor strategize the rollout of a formal presidential statement regarding pending tax legislation. Nixon instructs MacGregor to draft the statement in the third person for his review and outlines a plan to brief key congressional leaders. The strategy involves providing last-minute courtesy notice to Wilbur Mills and Russell Long while giving Republican and Democratic allies advance warning to ensure they are prepared to publicly support the measure.","topics":["Tax legislation","Congressional relations","Wilbur D. Mills","Russell B. Long","Political strategy","Public relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:23:59.598Z"},"topicSlugs":["tax-legislation","congressional-relations","wilbur-d-mills","russell-b-long","political-strategy","public-relations"],"audioDurationSec":63,"audioFiles":[{"file":"015-141.mp3","bytes":1502144,"durationSec":62.51,"bitrate":192229,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.619Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/015-141.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-141","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/15/conversation-015-141","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}