{"conversationCode":"015-143","tapeNumber":15,"conversationNumber":143,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-015-143","startDateTime":"1971-11-29T16:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-29T16:13:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Nov-1971","startTime":"11:11 AM","endDate":"29-Nov-1971","endTime":"11:13 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Mitchell, John N.;","description":"On November 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John N. Mitchell talked on the telephone from 11:11 am to 11:13 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-143 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 15-143\n\nDate: November 29, 1971\nTime: 11:11 am - 11:13 am\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n     John N. Mitchell\n\nThe President talked with Mitchell.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 625-16A]\n\n     William T. Cahill\n          -Call from the President regarding prison\n                -Nelson A. Rockefeller\n          -Call from Mitchell\n          -The President's previous call to Rockefeller","filename":["015-143.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:07:16","tapeEnd":"04:08:24","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Mitchell, John N."],"prevCode":"015-142","nextCode":"015-144","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":2.52,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.6,"end":4.75,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.93,"end":5.73,"text":"Yes, Mr. President."},{"start":5.95,"end":16.71,"text":"Do you feel that I might well give Cahill a call on telling me he's done well up there, or is it with that rub-off wrong on Rocky?"},{"start":17.87,"end":18.83,"text":"I don't have to do it."},{"start":18.87,"end":19.69,"text":"I just noted it."},{"start":20.29,"end":21.6,"text":"In connection with the prison?"},{"start":21.78,"end":23,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":23.02,"end":26.99,"text":"I would think that it was such a low key that I'd let it go at that."},{"start":27.05,"end":28.11,"text":"Why don't I call him?"},{"start":28.23,"end":28.43,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":28.89,"end":29.57,"text":"And tell him."},{"start":29.59,"end":33.16,"text":"Why don't you call him that you were in the office and we were discussing it."},{"start":33.42,"end":36.57,"text":"And that I thought he did it, handled it with very great skill."},{"start":36.59,"end":36.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":36.97,"end":47.4,"text":"Otherwise, you see, the thing is, I did call Rocky and stood by him, but I don't want it to appear that I'm calling KO, because some people have tried to compare KO with Rocky, and the damn things aren't even comparable."},{"start":47.44,"end":54.31,"text":"No, none whatsoever, and I think it might be, as you say, it might get back at Rockefeller as to why the hell he didn't do this."},{"start":55.67,"end":60.14,"text":"But I can talk to Bill and tell him we were talking about it, and he's sure about it."},{"start":60.16,"end":62.62,"text":"He exercised good judgment in it and let it go at that."},{"start":63.14,"end":63.28,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":65.17,"end":67.67,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":67.81,"end":67.93,"text":"Okay."},{"start":67.95,"end":68.17,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted John Mitchell regarding whether to call New Jersey Governor William T. Cahill to commend his handling of a recent prison situation. Mitchell advised that the President avoid a direct call to prevent potential political friction with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller, whose own handling of similar issues was frequently compared to Cahill's. Ultimately, they decided that Mitchell would contact Cahill instead to convey the President's approval of his judgment, thereby maintaining a low-key approach.","topics":["William T. Cahill","Nelson A. Rockefeller","John N. Mitchell","Prison management","Political strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:24:10.800Z"},"topicSlugs":["william-t-cahill","nelson-a-rockefeller","john-n-mitchell","prison-management","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":68,"audioFiles":[{"file":"015-143.mp3","bytes":1645086,"durationSec":68.49,"bitrate":192155,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.619Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/015-143.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-143","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/15/conversation-015-143","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}