{"conversationCode":"015-170","tapeNumber":15,"conversationNumber":170,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-015-170","startDateTime":"1971-11-29T22:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-29T22:50:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Nov-1971","startTime":"5:47 PM","endDate":"29-Nov-1971","endTime":"5:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Timmons, William E.;","description":"On November 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and William E. Timmons talked on the telephone from 5:47 pm to 5:50 pm. 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Curtis\n\n     MacGregor's position\n\n     Gale W. McGee-Hiram L. Fong Bill\n          -Federal government pay raise\n          -Economic Stabilization Act\n\n     Senate adjournment\n          -Michael J. Mansfield\n          -Special session\n          -Tax Bill\n\n     Conference\n          -Wilbur D. Mills\n               -Comments on the President's statement on check-off provision of Tax Bill","filename":["015-170-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:36:37","tapeEnd":"04:40:24","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"015-169","nextCode":"015-171","tapeTranscriptFile":"015a.mp3,015b.mp3,015c.mp3,015d.mp3","transcript":[{"start":16875.57,"end":16877.41,"text":"Operator, I called McGregor, but he's in New York."},{"start":16877.53,"end":16878.73,"text":"Get Timmons for me, please."},{"start":16878.75,"end":16882.34,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":16882.42,"end":16882.72,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16882.74,"end":16883.18,"text":"Mr. Timmons."},{"start":16884.31,"end":16884.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16884.73,"end":16885.33,"text":"And Mr. President."},{"start":16885.39,"end":16885.81,"text":"Hi, Bill."},{"start":16886.93,"end":16892.89,"text":"With regard to that, did some of our boys go forward with trying to reintroduce the Senate bill?"},{"start":16893.13,"end":16895.47,"text":"They're going to do it tomorrow, Mr. President."},{"start":16895.59,"end":16902.97,"text":"After we got the McGregor news today, then tomorrow they will reintroduce the bill trying to position us for them."},{"start":16904.28,"end":16909.54,"text":"I wonder if they could... On one thing, of course, another possibility is to just introduce the..."},{"start":16911.19,"end":16915.17,"text":"I mean, the repeal of the automobile thing, and basically the best of both worlds."},{"start":16915.23,"end":16917.7,"text":"I mean, the investment tax credit we could really get along without."},{"start":16918.14,"end":16927.83,"text":"But if we get the automobile thing, plus the, you know, personal exemption thing, that'd be a pretty good bill."},{"start":16928.71,"end":16929.43,"text":"Just the two points?"},{"start":16929.63,"end":16930.53,"text":"That'd be enough, yeah."},{"start":16930.65,"end":16931.07,"text":"Okay."},{"start":16931.19,"end":16935.09,"text":"The investment tax credit being controversial, to hell with it, leave it out."},{"start":16936.11,"end":16938.65,"text":"But the automobile thing is the must."},{"start":16939.39,"end":16940.21,"text":"Okay."},{"start":16940.27,"end":16941.75,"text":"Access tax and a personal exemption."},{"start":16942.33,"end":16942.59,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16942.97,"end":16944.35,"text":"That would be one way to do it."},{"start":16945.07,"end":16947.04,"text":"Well, that would make it attractive, I would think."},{"start":16948.04,"end":16952.32,"text":"The conference broke up just a little while ago, and they were fighting over little technicalities."},{"start":16952.34,"end":16956.96,"text":"They made no decisions, and they were late getting started because Wally Bennett, you know, went to the hospital."},{"start":16957.02,"end":16957.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16958.08,"end":16958.94,"text":"How sick is he?"},{"start":16959.48,"end":16960.34,"text":"I think it's just an ulcer."},{"start":16960.56,"end":16964.5,"text":"He's out at Bethesda for checkups, and he'll be back in a couple of days."},{"start":16964.58,"end":16970.7,"text":"And Carl Curtis has his proxy, but they were late getting started, and they were fighting over little technical things, and they go into 10 o'clock in the morning."},{"start":16971.95,"end":16975.31,"text":"And we'll have this bill introduced tomorrow."},{"start":16975.83,"end":16980.79,"text":"Now, were we able to line up some of our troops to stand up for the McGregor position?"},{"start":16981.31,"end":16981.65,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":16981.77,"end":16985.89,"text":"I haven't seen much on the wires, unfortunately, but... Yeah, but you did call them."},{"start":16986.07,"end":16993.38,"text":"Yes, sir, and we called a bunch of them, and they were going to get out with one-minute speeches and put some stuff up in the press galleries, but they just don't carry it much."},{"start":16993.8,"end":16994.32,"text":"I know they don't."},{"start":16994.5,"end":16998.45,"text":"Well, just so we have a few lip-cutters and take on the opposition."},{"start":16999.49,"end":16999.87,"text":"Fine."},{"start":17000.47,"end":17006.1,"text":"We got stuck in the Senate, you know, this afternoon with a McGee-Fong thing on the raises."},{"start":17006.68,"end":17007.26,"text":"Five and a half?"},{"start":17007.4,"end":17009.52,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":17009.9,"end":17011.7,"text":"For government employees?"},{"start":17011.96,"end":17013.6,"text":"For beginning now, I'll bet January."},{"start":17013.66,"end":17014.54,"text":"January, uh-huh."},{"start":17016.33,"end":17018.55,"text":"Well, we'll stay there on that."},{"start":17020.47,"end":17021.09,"text":"What's the line?"},{"start":17021.11,"end":17022.27,"text":"Will that go to the House?"},{"start":17022.51,"end":17022.91,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":17022.97,"end":17027.48,"text":"It was just added on the Senate on the Economic Stabilization Act."},{"start":17027.52,"end":17030.12,"text":"And, of course, the House hasn't yet got that on the floor."},{"start":17030.18,"end":17034.4,"text":"So it'll be considered in the House and then go to conference."},{"start":17034.42,"end":17041.44,"text":"So we're some days away from... That may make it possibly the Economic Stabilization Act."},{"start":17041.5,"end":17042.42,"text":"To move through, yeah."},{"start":17042.7,"end":17043.74,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":17044.81,"end":17047.18,"text":"God damn, these guys aren't going to get out of here for Christmas, are they?"},{"start":17048.5,"end":17049.54,"text":"It looks like that."},{"start":17049.62,"end":17058.07,"text":"Mansfield keeps talking about, you know, the end of this week, and most everybody expects the end of next week, but in truth, I don't see how they can get out of here before damn near Christmas."},{"start":17058.53,"end":17059.57,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":17061.73,"end":17064.59,"text":"Well, particularly if they fool around with this tax bill, they're going to..."},{"start":17065.41,"end":17069.07,"text":"I think we have no choice but the extra session, don't you think so?"},{"start":17069.43,"end":17069.99,"text":"I think so."},{"start":17070.27,"end":17078.91,"text":"If they go out, if you release your statement this week when the conference reports, they may just stay in, and so they're not embarrassed being called back."},{"start":17079.21,"end":17080.25,"text":"You know, they may just stay in."},{"start":17081.99,"end":17099.46,"text":"Strange enough, one of the guys in the conference reported out that Wilbur Mills, when he read McGregor's statement with your authority in there, said, well, that's not a bad statement because I think he misread it, thinking that either clean up the budget deficit or the checkoff rather than both."},{"start":17099.72,"end":17102.32,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":17103.08,"end":17104.22,"text":"Well, he sure misread it."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":16876,"end":17103,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with William E. 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