Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 15 › Conversation 015-193

Nixon phone call with Ehrlichman on White House Conference on Aging

Thursday, December 2, 1971 · 9:25 AM–9:31 AM ET · White House Telephone

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Ehrlichman, John D.; Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Ehrlichman, John D.Conversation015-193 on Tape 15 (tape position 05:31:34–05:34:21)StartThursday, December 2, 1971 at 9:25 AMEndThursday, December 2, 1971 at 9:31 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 015-193 ↗

President Nixon consulted with John D. Ehrlichman to prepare for his upcoming address to the Second Decennial White House Conference on Aging. The discussion focused on managing policy expectations regarding Medicare prescription drug coverage and income floor acceleration under H.R. 1, given the significant budget constraints facing the administration. They specifically addressed the role of Arthur S. Flemming and the Domestic Council in navigating these complex fiscal challenges and conference resolutions.

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5:31:34Ydych chi wedi darllen y pethau sy'n rhaid i chi eu gwella?
5:31:34Ydych chi wedi darllen y peth
5:31:37Nid.
5:31:38Nid.
5:31:38Ond rwy'n credu ein bod ni'n rhaid i ni ddod ymlaen yn eithaf gwahanol.
5:31:41Pwydym ni'n rhoi'r ffordd y byddwn i'n meddwl y byddech chi'n ceisio sefydlu'r cyflwyniad nawr?
5:31:45Y ffordd y byddwn i'n meddwl y byddech chi'n ei wneud yw, dwi ddim eisiau cyflawni fy sgwrs sy'n cael ei wneud i'r cyfweliad hwn heb adroddiad i ddwy rwy'n gwybod sy'n
5:32:05sy'n cael cefnogaeth enfawr.
5:32:06Mae'r posibilrwydd o ddatblygu'r cyfrifiadau meddygol yn ystod yr adnoddau, ac mae'r cyfnod o gynyddu'r cyfrifiadau yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn ystod yr adnoddau, yn y
5:32:33Rwy'n cyrraedd... Rwy'n cyrraedd... Pwy yw'r man ymwneud â'r ffwrdd?
5:32:40Flemming neu Mark?
5:32:41Flemming.
5:32:41Rwy'n cyrraedd Dr. Flemming.
5:32:42Rwy'n cydweithio fel cyngor arall neu ryw fath o aelod i'r cyngor gwleidyddol sy'n cynnig y ffwrdd i'r cyngor.
5:32:51Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r ffwrdd.
5:32:53Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r ffwrdd.
5:32:56Mae hynny'n ymwneud â'r ffwrdd.
5:33:01Iawn, gadewch i mi geisio hynny.
5:33:03Peidiwch â'i geisio os nad ydych chi'n meddwl ei fod yn gweithio.
5:33:07Wel, mae hynny'n llai na gwneud hyn.
5:33:08Mae Clemming yn dweud y byddwn ni'n gwneud penderfyniadau perthynol o bosibl i'r cymunedau meddygol, ac y byddwn ni'n gallu gwneud amdanyn nhw.
5:33:21Ydych chi'n mynd i'w wneud hynny?
5:33:21Ydw, ond dwi ddim yn gwybod.
5:33:22Dwi ddim yn gwybod beth mae'n ei wneud.
5:33:24Rydw i'n ychwanegol ychydig.
5:33:26Yna, byddwn ni i gyd yn arwain Clemming.
5:33:27Rwy'n cyfarfod i'r Cyngor
5:33:34Mae hynny'n iawn, oherwydd bydd hynny'n digwydd unrhyw fath.
5:33:39Ond fel y byddwn i'n ei ddweud, dwi ddim eisiau gwneud y sgwrs a gwthio ddwy cynllun mawr sy'n cael cefnogaeth enfawr yn hyn o bryd, oherwydd ar hyn o bryd, maen nhw'n cyflwyno broblemau cyllid cyhoeddus sy'n
5:33:58Rwy'n credu bod yn anodd.
5:33:59Mae'n anodd iawn.
5:34:00Mae'n anodd iawn iawn.
5:34:01Fodd bynnag, mae'r Cymru wedi'i arwain.
5:34:02Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:04Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:05Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:07Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:09Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:09Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:11Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:15Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:17Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:17Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:18Mae wedi'i arwain.
5:34:19Mae wedi'i arwain.

On December 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 9:25 am to 9:31 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 015-193 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 15-193

Date: December 2, 1971
Time: 9:25 am - 9:31 am
Location: White House Telephone
The President talked with the White House operator.

     John D. Ehrlichman

Ehrlichman talked with the President.

     The President's speech to Second Decennial White House Conference on Aging, 12/2
          -Draft
               -Resolutions of the conference
               -Medicare coverage of prescription drugs
               -Income floor acceleration rate under House Resolution [H R] 1
               -Budget problems
               -Domestic Council
                      -Arthur S. Flemming
               -Typing
  • 015-188 7:40 AM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 7:40 am and 8:33 am.
  • 015-189 8:33 AM · 23 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo talked on the telephone from 8:33 am to 8:34 am.
  • 015-190 8:34 AM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:34 am and 8:53 am.
  • 015-191 8:53 AM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 8:53 am to 8:59 am.
  • 015-192 9:09 AM · 59 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo talked on the telephone from 9:09 am to 9:10 am.
  • 015-194 9:31 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:31 am and 9:32 am.
  • 015-195 9:32 AM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 9:32 am to 9:38 am.
  • 015-196 9:45 AM · 14 min — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 9:45 am to 9:59 am.

Conversation 015-193, December 2, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/015-193 (accessed October 9, 2026).