{"conversationCode":"016-004","tapeNumber":16,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-016-004","startDateTime":"1971-12-06T00:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-06T00:52:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Dec-1971","startTime":"7:50 PM","endDate":"5-Dec-1971","endTime":"7:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Thurmond, Strom;","description":"On December 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Strom Thurmond talked on the telephone from 7:50 pm to 7:52 pm. 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McCormack\n                     -Date\n                     -Mrs. Nixon","filename":["016-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:09:21","tapeEnd":"00:11:04","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Thurmond, Strom"],"prevCode":"016-003","nextCode":"016-005","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.07,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":3.08,"end":3.36,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":5.28,"end":7.34,"text":"Strom, I just called to wish you a happy birthday."},{"start":9.13,"end":16.52,"text":"And I hope you and Nancy are having a nice day there and everything."},{"start":21.57,"end":23.55,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":23.63,"end":24.99,"text":"Listen, you tell you to do you."},{"start":25.34,"end":29.67,"text":"You bring her down to the office sometime because while I'm here, I want to be sure she comes in."},{"start":30.19,"end":31.53,"text":"So she's been in the president's office."},{"start":31.57,"end":32.23,"text":"You do that now."},{"start":32.25,"end":38.38,"text":"What are you doing?"},{"start":38.4,"end":41.06,"text":"Sometime, I thought if you wouldn't mind, if you'd possibly get a picture with you, I'd like to have it."},{"start":41.08,"end":41.18,"text":"Well."},{"start":41.2,"end":41.96,"text":"I don't know when that should be done."},{"start":41.98,"end":42.48,"text":"Maybe after the election."},{"start":42.5,"end":43.66,"text":"The heck with after election."},{"start":43.68,"end":44.18,"text":"What do you mean?"},{"start":44.28,"end":44.9,"text":"You do it before."},{"start":46.24,"end":49.21,"text":"It isn't going to do anybody any good afterwards."},{"start":49.23,"end":50.13,"text":"Well."},{"start":50.15,"end":52.63,"text":"Could you just bring the baby and you and Nancy come in?"},{"start":53.43,"end":53.95,"text":"All right."},{"start":53.97,"end":54.57,"text":"I'm in with it, too."},{"start":55.72,"end":60.84,"text":"How about Tuesday or maybe Tuesday or Wednesday sometime this week."},{"start":60.86,"end":61.06,"text":"All right."},{"start":61.08,"end":61.76,"text":"Just come right in."},{"start":61.84,"end":64.47,"text":"And I'll try to get Pat over."},{"start":65.01,"end":65.91,"text":"Pat's going to be up."},{"start":65.93,"end":68.69,"text":"She's going up tomorrow to John McCormick's wife's funeral."},{"start":69.23,"end":70.95,"text":"But then we get Pat in and you."},{"start":71.56,"end":74.72,"text":"And around noon time's a good time."},{"start":74.74,"end":75.26,"text":"Around 12 o'clock Tuesday."},{"start":75.28,"end":76.04,"text":"Around 12 o'clock."},{"start":76.08,"end":78.74,"text":"How's that sound to you?"},{"start":78.76,"end":79.08,"text":"That'll be fine."},{"start":79.1,"end":79.62,"text":"It's also lovely to do it."},{"start":79.64,"end":80.97,"text":"No, I think it's a great idea."},{"start":80.98,"end":84.31,"text":"I realize I did you all, but I would like to have a picture of you."},{"start":84.52,"end":87.81,"text":"Oh, don't worry."},{"start":87.85,"end":88.89,"text":"I'll do either one."},{"start":88.92,"end":97.68,"text":"And I'll see that I'll get Pat over there at the same time strong."},{"start":97.7,"end":98.04,"text":"Okay."},{"start":99.1,"end":99.94,"text":"Many happy returns."},{"start":101.51,"end":101.59,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon called Senator Strom Thurmond to extend birthday greetings and invite the Senator and his wife, Nancy, to visit the Oval Office. During the call, they arranged a photo opportunity to include the First Lady, Pat Nixon, at the White House. The participants agreed to schedule the visit and the photograph for the following Tuesday at noon.","topics":["Strom Thurmond","Richard Nixon","White House scheduling","Public relations","First Lady"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:29:53.048Z"},"topicSlugs":["strom-thurmond","richard-nixon","white-house-scheduling","public-relations","first-lady"],"audioDurationSec":103,"audioFiles":[{"file":"016-004.mp3","bytes":2472645,"durationSec":102.96,"bitrate":192117,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.619Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/016-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/016-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/16/conversation-016-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}