{"conversationCode":"016-088","tapeNumber":16,"conversationNumber":88,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-016-088","startDateTime":"1971-12-11T00:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-11T00:59:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Dec-1971","startTime":"7:53 PM","endDate":"10-Dec-1971","endTime":"7:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On December 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 7:53 pm to 7:59 pm. 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(“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n     Julie Nixon Eisenhower's TV Special\n           -Rose Mary Woods\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/18/2019.\n32s segment cleared for release. 28s remain closed as 016-088-w001.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[016-088-w001]\n[Duration: 28s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Personal Returnable]\n[016-088-w001]\n[Duration: 32s]\n\n     Julie Nixon Eisenhower's TV special\n           -Positive attributes\n                 -Dogs\n                 -Decorations\n                 -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Camp David\n               -Drive\n               -Helicopter\n               -Timing\n               -Henry A. Kissinger\n                      -Talking paper\n                      -Trip to Camp David\n               -India-Pakistan War\n                      -Possible telephone call\n               -William P. Rogers\n               -Clark MacGregor\n               -Jerrold L. Schecter\n                      -Interview\n                            -Duration\n                      -Possible trip to Camp David\n\n                           -Helicopter\n                                 -Kissinger\n                           -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n                                 -Photographs\n                                       -Schecter\n                                       -Time\n                           -Ronald L. Ziegler\n                     -Interview\n                           -President's style\n                           -Press\n                     -Possible article\n          -Christmas television special\n          -John B. Connally\n               -Tax bill\n          -Camp David\n               -Trip [to Azores]\n                     -Kissinger\n                           -India-Pakistan War\n                     -Schecter\n                           -View of interview\n                                 -Ziegler","filename":["016-088.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:17:44","tapeEnd":"03:24:23","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"016-087","nextCode":"016-089","transcript":[{"start":0.71,"end":6.34,"text":"Oh, Bob, you got the word that we're going forward on the Julie special."},{"start":6.86,"end":9.89,"text":"Yeah, Julie may have told you."},{"start":9.91,"end":11.89,"text":"I don't know if you heard her separately."},{"start":11.91,"end":12.81,"text":"I had a long talk with her."},{"start":12.83,"end":13.78,"text":"She said to take one more stab at it tonight."},{"start":13.79,"end":14.44,"text":"Rose said she did a superb job."},{"start":14.82,"end":15.24,"text":"Yeah, she did."},{"start":75.43,"end":79.53,"text":"I'm going to drive up to Camp David now at 8.30."},{"start":79.55,"end":82.14,"text":"I feel that it's good for me to get away."},{"start":82.16,"end":83.86,"text":"Did you check the choppers?"},{"start":83.88,"end":85.32,"text":"No, I felt I should drive."},{"start":86.48,"end":97.54,"text":"I think that the chopper is, you know, it's foggy and everything."},{"start":97.56,"end":98.72,"text":"I don't want to fart around in the air."},{"start":98.74,"end":99.38,"text":"So I said after 8.30 I'll leave."},{"start":99.4,"end":99.56,"text":"Anybody?"},{"start":99.58,"end":103.43,"text":"Anybody you want to go?"},{"start":103.45,"end":103.75,"text":"No, everybody's"},{"start":104.54,"end":108.8,"text":"That's right."},{"start":108.82,"end":128.68,"text":"I know."},{"start":128.7,"end":132.87,"text":"Henry could come up tomorrow if you want."},{"start":132.89,"end":133.11,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":133.13,"end":133.87,"text":"He could be free at noon and come up."},{"start":134.71,"end":151.01,"text":"I also want to do it, but I want to talk to Ron about the Indian Packers."},{"start":156.67,"end":157.41,"text":"Right, right, sure."},{"start":157.43,"end":158.24,"text":"Yeah, it's all about that."},{"start":159.3,"end":159.66,"text":"He probably won't."},{"start":159.68,"end":160.56,"text":"I was going to say he may call you tomorrow."},{"start":160.58,"end":160.82,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":160.84,"end":161.22,"text":"I'll take the call."},{"start":161.24,"end":161.34,"text":"Okay."},{"start":161.36,"end":161.46,"text":"Sure."},{"start":161.48,"end":161.58,"text":"Okay."},{"start":161.6,"end":161.96,"text":"He should call me."},{"start":161.98,"end":162.18,"text":"He should."},{"start":162.2,"end":162.58,"text":"I'll call him next."},{"start":162.6,"end":163.08,"text":"I'll make everything go."},{"start":163.1,"end":163.38,"text":"I'll call him."},{"start":163.4,"end":164.48,"text":"Well, everything, I think we're in good shape on that."},{"start":164.83,"end":166.59,"text":"You know, you've got to say this."},{"start":166.62,"end":172.93,"text":"By God, McGregor has done a fantastic job."},{"start":172.94,"end":173.19,"text":"Has he?"},{"start":173.75,"end":176.61,"text":"I gave Schechter an hour, actually."},{"start":176.63,"end":178.11,"text":"But it was all right."},{"start":178.35,"end":180.88,"text":"Did you take him over to the residence?"},{"start":180.9,"end":181.18,"text":"Oh, good."},{"start":181.2,"end":182.38,"text":"I took him the whole thing."},{"start":182.4,"end":192.38,"text":"I was thinking, too, that if it's all right with me, if he would come up tomorrow and I could show him the room, it's perfectly all right."},{"start":192.4,"end":192.7,"text":"Is that a yes?"},{"start":193.06,"end":215.56,"text":"I think it's a good thing, really, that he sees the room where I do the real work."},{"start":215.59,"end":216.28,"text":"Did you mention that to him at all?"},{"start":216.31,"end":216.59,"text":"Oh, of course."},{"start":216.61,"end":216.67,"text":"No."},{"start":216.69,"end":217.35,"text":"But, uh... What's that about him?"},{"start":217.37,"end":217.57,"text":"About him?"},{"start":217.59,"end":217.87,"text":"Not the court."},{"start":217.89,"end":217.95,"text":"No."},{"start":217.97,"end":218.99,"text":"Now, he could go up on the same chopper with Henry."},{"start":219.01,"end":219.75,"text":"He'd go up with Henry on the chopper."},{"start":219.77,"end":220.55,"text":"Then he could send me back, uh... Yeah."},{"start":220.57,"end":221.19,"text":"...by car, something like that."},{"start":221.21,"end":221.35,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":222.29,"end":241.64,"text":"Then have Ollie or one of Ollie's people go up so that Ollie can get some shots at Camp David that he doesn't have for his private collection."},{"start":241.88,"end":243.27,"text":"You know, for this thing."},{"start":243.29,"end":243.39,"text":"Okay."},{"start":243.41,"end":244.27,"text":"It would be a good time to get those shots."},{"start":244.29,"end":245.33,"text":"I'll walk around."},{"start":245.35,"end":247.19,"text":"You don't want pictures of the stretchers?"},{"start":247.21,"end":247.49,"text":"No."},{"start":247.51,"end":248.75,"text":"I don't think you should give time to them."},{"start":249.14,"end":255.45,"text":"No, there should be no picture of Schechter at Camp David."},{"start":255.59,"end":256.77,"text":"All I should have pictures."},{"start":256.79,"end":258.55,"text":"I don't think time should have a picture up there."},{"start":258.79,"end":261.82,"text":"Don't you agree or do you?"},{"start":261.84,"end":262.5,"text":"No, I don't think they should."},{"start":262.52,"end":270.91,"text":"Yes, I agree they should not have a picture."},{"start":270.93,"end":274.23,"text":"But I think it isn't a bad idea at all."},{"start":274.75,"end":275.86,"text":"You arranged that with Ross."},{"start":276.12,"end":279.17,"text":"But I think we gave Schecter a good feel of the thing."},{"start":279.19,"end":285.99,"text":"I don't know how you'll write it, but I gave him a good feel of the whole thing."},{"start":286.01,"end":296.84,"text":"I was very outgoing, and I told him my feelings about the press, that I understood completely."},{"start":296.86,"end":300.19,"text":"I never was personal."},{"start":301.19,"end":303.39,"text":"I never let it interfere with the, you know, things like that."},{"start":303.41,"end":303.51,"text":"Okay."},{"start":303.53,"end":304.33,"text":"Well, that should help you in full tone."},{"start":304.35,"end":304.45,"text":"I do."},{"start":304.47,"end":305.47,"text":"I love it because I understand what you're saying."},{"start":307.02,"end":308.72,"text":"Right."},{"start":308.74,"end":331.87,"text":"Well, we've got to make this piece as good as it can be, and it'll be better if I give a little time."},{"start":331.88,"end":333.03,"text":"We may have no excuse for not doing well."},{"start":333.05,"end":333.55,"text":"Everything else on salvo?"},{"start":333.57,"end":333.67,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":333.69,"end":334.65,"text":"It really was a good day getting ready for this."},{"start":334.67,"end":334.87,"text":"All right."},{"start":338.54,"end":360.87,"text":"I had a good talk with Conway afterwards, too, about the fact that he was in good shape."},{"start":360.89,"end":366.95,"text":"Then up there, none of you need to go, you know what I mean, do what you have to do, because I know all of you are busy."},{"start":366.98,"end":367.88,"text":"Stay here, do your job, get ready for a trip."},{"start":367.9,"end":368.24,"text":"I'll be up there."},{"start":368.26,"end":368.52,"text":"That's all."},{"start":368.99,"end":375.74,"text":"But if Henry can come up, fine."},{"start":375.76,"end":389.43,"text":"But if Henry feels that India-Pakistan is more important, he doesn't need to come up."},{"start":389.45,"end":389.91,"text":"Let Schechter drive up."},{"start":389.93,"end":390.03,"text":"Okay."},{"start":390.05,"end":390.15,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":390.17,"end":390.45,"text":"Sure."},{"start":390.77,"end":391.27,"text":"You work it out with Ron."},{"start":391.29,"end":391.41,"text":"Right."},{"start":391.43,"end":391.53,"text":"Fine."},{"start":391.55,"end":393.88,"text":"Also, you might check with Ron to see how Schechter felt about the interview."},{"start":393.9,"end":394.9,"text":"I would like to have a feeling as to how he feels."},{"start":394.92,"end":395.02,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":395.04,"end":397.36,"text":"But I would have a little, before I see him, I'd like to know how Schechter feels."},{"start":397.38,"end":397.48,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":397.5,"end":397.62,"text":"Right."},{"start":397.64,"end":398.11,"text":"Ron can check that out."},{"start":398.13,"end":398.23,"text":"Okay."},{"start":398.25,"end":398.45,"text":"All right."},{"start":398.47,"end":398.67,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":398.69,"end":398.81,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. 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