{"conversationCode":"016-124","tapeNumber":16,"conversationNumber":124,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-016-124","startDateTime":"1971-12-20T00:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-20T00:55:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Dec-1971","startTime":"7:44 PM","endDate":"19-Dec-1971","endTime":"7:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Graham, William F. (\"Billy\");","description":"On December 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William F. (\"Billy\") Graham talked on the telephone from 7:44 pm to 7:55 pm. 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Pompidou\n                -Meeting at the Azores, December 12-14, 1971\n\n     Farmers\n         -Trade with Europe and Japan\n              -Citrus and grain\n\n     Connally\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/18/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[016-124-w003]\n[Duration: 1m 26s]\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Trip to New York\n                -December 18, 1971\n                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s wedding anniversary\n                -Attendance at Marble Collegiate Church\n                      -Sermon by Norman Vincent Peale\n                      -Christmas decorations\n                      -William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s radio station\n\n     William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s health\n          -Mayo Clinic\n                -Recommendations\n                -Blood pressure\n                      -Familial history\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Democrats\n         -Problems\n\n     Vietnam\n          -North Vietnam shooting down US planes\n          -Bombing\n               -Retaliation by US\n\n     India–Pakistan War\n          -Graham’s travels to India\n               -Graham’s sympathy towards India\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number\nLPRN-T-MDR-2012-005. Segment declassified on 05/28/2015. Archivist: DR]\n[National Security]\n[016-124-w004]\n[Duration: 1m 14s]\n\n     India–Pakistan War\n          -US position\n\n               -Prohibit India from destroying Pakistan\n                     -Support of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n               -West Pakistan\n          -Relative poverty of the two nations\n               -William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s opinion\n          -Middle East\n               -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] ambitions\n                     -Need for US to block in India\n                     -Potential use of Egypt against Israel\n               -William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s conversation with Golda Meir\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Congratulations from Graham\n         -Monetary realignment\n               -Increase in jobs\n               -Positive network coverage\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/18/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[016-124-w005]\n[Duration: 1m 22s]\n\n     William F. (“Billy”) Graham and Ruth McC. (Bell) Graham’s schedule\n          -Visit to the White House\n                -Christmas decorations\n                -January 30-31, 1972\n\n     William F. (“Billy”) Graham\n          -Mayo Clinic\n          -Running habits\n\n     Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n          -News story\n                -The President’s advice\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Young people\n         -Jesus movement\n               -Reverend Peale\n               -Dallas meeting\n         -Dwight D. Eisenhower\n         -Revival of religion\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under PRMPA regulations 06/18/2019. Segment\ncleared for release.]\n[Privacy]\n[016-124-w006]\n[Duration: 19s]\n\n     William F. (“Billy”) Graham\n          -Income\n                -One million per week\n                -Compared to National Council of Churches\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Cambodia\n\n     Support for President\n         -President’s forthcoming trip to Charlotte, North Carolina","filename":["016-124.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:28:07","tapeEnd":"04:38:46","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Graham, William F. (\"Billy\")","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Graham, William F. (\"Billy\")"],"prevCode":"016-123","nextCode":"016-125","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":0.83,"text":"Hello."},{"start":0.85,"end":1.31,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.33,"end":3.06,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":4.3,"end":6,"text":"Are you all set for your trip to Africa?"},{"start":8.82,"end":9.8,"text":"Yes, sir, and thank you for making this possible."},{"start":10.04,"end":11.19,"text":"You'll be here, will you?"},{"start":11.23,"end":14.25,"text":"Yes, sir, I'll come up there."},{"start":14.27,"end":14.95,"text":"Yeah, I'll be here."},{"start":14.99,"end":15.91,"text":"I'm coming up."},{"start":15.93,"end":22.02,"text":"I'll be finished with my meeting with Heath, and I'll come back to... No, no, no, no, no."},{"start":22.04,"end":23.8,"text":"I'll be finished with my meeting with Brandt."},{"start":23.82,"end":24.32,"text":"That's right."},{"start":25.13,"end":26.63,"text":"And I forget which week I'm in."},{"start":27.43,"end":29.11,"text":"You're doing so much nowadays."},{"start":29.13,"end":29.63,"text":"I don't know how to grow."},{"start":30.49,"end":33.91,"text":"But I think it's going to be a great trip, Billy."},{"start":33.94,"end":35.84,"text":"Well, thank you for making it possible."},{"start":35.86,"end":36.34,"text":"It'll be a great trip."},{"start":36.36,"end":44.03,"text":"And, you know, it's the first time that a First Lady has ever been used in an official capacity like this, actually, as a representative."},{"start":44.15,"end":55.61,"text":"So you and Sheila, you'll do a great job, I'm sure."},{"start":55.63,"end":56.19,"text":"We'll have a wonderful time."},{"start":56.21,"end":58.19,"text":"And I hope that you and Pat and Julie and Patricia and all have a marvelous Christmas."},{"start":58.21,"end":58.55,"text":"I'm sure we will."},{"start":58.57,"end":59.75,"text":"Today... We're moving and taking the country and the world."},{"start":59.77,"end":59.87,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":60.02,"end":67.57,"text":"Well, you know, our friend John Connolly did a fantastic job in getting that monetary agreement, you know, that was reached yesterday."},{"start":67.59,"end":69.57,"text":"It wouldn't have been done without him."},{"start":69.89,"end":76.68,"text":"Of course, we paved the way by doing Pompidou before, by getting him, then we got the others in line, so it's all done now."},{"start":80.44,"end":83.55,"text":"Well, if you can do something just as spectacular for the farmers, I think you'll have the whole thing wrapped up."},{"start":83.57,"end":83.77,"text":"Right."},{"start":87.16,"end":96.97,"text":"One thing we're trying to do there, and what John is working on, on the trade thing, is to get some trade with Europe, get some citrus and grain, a few things, into Europe and Japan."},{"start":98.17,"end":100.5,"text":"But we'll see."},{"start":101.28,"end":104.9,"text":"They're real tough in these negotiations, but John is really a great negotiator."},{"start":106.42,"end":107.11,"text":"Well, I'm glad that he's with you."},{"start":198.84,"end":201.56,"text":"Well, that helps."},{"start":201.62,"end":206.22,"text":"We've got a lot of problems, but we're working on them."},{"start":206.41,"end":209.13,"text":"You may have some problems, but I'll tell you the Democrats have got more problems."},{"start":209.15,"end":219.04,"text":"We are accidentally going to have to probably read about it tomorrow, the next day, probably the next day."},{"start":219.1,"end":228.03,"text":"The North Vietnamese have shot down two or three planes of ours, and so we're going to go in and take out a couple of places up there, you know,"},{"start":228.92,"end":237.13,"text":"We can't allow them to get away with this as we're withdrawing, you see."},{"start":251.87,"end":258.68,"text":"So we're just going to hit them for a couple of days."},{"start":258.7,"end":258.9,"text":"Naturally."},{"start":336.57,"end":348,"text":"Well, we just hope that things move along and the world doesn't explode."},{"start":352.57,"end":353.47,"text":"It really is."},{"start":353.85,"end":359.4,"text":"Only, as I say, only the businessmen understand it, perhaps, and some of them don't."},{"start":359.5,"end":364.58,"text":"But the point is that it's a new, it's a realignment which gives America a better"},{"start":364.95,"end":380.97,"text":"trading position it means more jobs for our people because it makes american products more competitive in the world they are i don't listen to them"},{"start":469.36,"end":491.66,"text":"How do you think the appeal referred to it in his sermon about the young people, the Jesus Movement, how do you think it's coming?"},{"start":491.68,"end":492.94,"text":"Well, I think that the real Jesus Movement is gaining momentum."},{"start":492.96,"end":494.84,"text":"The people that some of these networks play up, the Jesus Freaks and so forth, I think that..."},{"start":494.86,"end":495.24,"text":"They're aberration."},{"start":495.26,"end":495.52,"text":"That's right."},{"start":495.54,"end":496.29,"text":"They're getting a little too far out."},{"start":496.31,"end":497.25,"text":"But about 80% of the movement is really moving."},{"start":497.27,"end":497.53,"text":"That's great."},{"start":497.83,"end":511.8,"text":"And we're going to have 100,000 of them down in Dallas in June for 10 days."},{"start":511.82,"end":512.32,"text":"And it's just tremendous."},{"start":512.34,"end":519.53,"text":"And I think it's going to have a great impact on the country."},{"start":519.55,"end":522.53,"text":"And of course, the interesting thing to me is, the thrilling thing is happening under your administration."},{"start":522.55,"end":524,"text":"You know, when Eisenhower was in, we had multiple religious revivals."},{"start":524.02,"end":524.34,"text":"Yes, we did."},{"start":524.36,"end":526.72,"text":"And now under your administration, we have probably one of the great religious revivals of American history."},{"start":526.97,"end":527.77,"text":"You really think that?"},{"start":532.98,"end":537.02,"text":"I really do, and I think historians, religious historians, are going to point that out."},{"start":537.04,"end":539.69,"text":"Well, Peale was obviously impressed by it."},{"start":539.71,"end":542.17,"text":"You know, he referred to the fact that this was going on across the country."},{"start":542.19,"end":545.52,"text":"There were some sort of far-out things, but generally it's a very solid thing."},{"start":568.41,"end":577.77,"text":"And this, of course, is quite large as a result of you."},{"start":577.79,"end":581.07,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":581.09,"end":589.38,"text":"There are many of your friends who are supporting me."},{"start":589.4,"end":590.1,"text":"Well, we help, but you're doing it."},{"start":590.12,"end":591.96,"text":"And a lot of these big, next-gen millionaires and all this have been giving to other things."},{"start":591.98,"end":592.62,"text":"They're beginning to give to us."},{"start":592.64,"end":592.9,"text":"That's great."},{"start":592.92,"end":593.51,"text":"And so I'm really encouraged."},{"start":593.53,"end":593.63,"text":"Good."},{"start":593.65,"end":594.51,"text":"And I think you have every reason to do it."},{"start":600.73,"end":602.09,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":602.11,"end":603.35,"text":"Which was necessary, of course."},{"start":603.57,"end":604.55,"text":"Right."},{"start":604.58,"end":616.71,"text":"Necessary for all this."},{"start":616.73,"end":618.89,"text":"I just think you're in God's place."},{"start":619.58,"end":624.22,"text":"And I believe Christian people everywhere are praying for you."},{"start":624.24,"end":624.88,"text":"I've never heard so much prayer."},{"start":624.9,"end":625.57,"text":"And they're thanking God for you."},{"start":625.59,"end":626,"text":"Well, it helps a lot."},{"start":626.02,"end":626.87,"text":"And of course, you're coming to Charlotte."},{"start":626.89,"end":627.77,"text":"And I've got a message for you in my bed."},{"start":627.79,"end":628.63,"text":"You'll never know what that means to us."},{"start":628.65,"end":629.37,"text":"You get my very best for Christmas."},{"start":630.41,"end":635.92,"text":"Father, Dr. Bell, Mother, and all the rest."},{"start":635.94,"end":636.26,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":636.28,"end":637.07,"text":"Have a wonderful time."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and evangelist Billy Graham discussed a range of political, diplomatic, and cultural topics, including the recent International Monetary Agreement and ongoing trade negotiations led by John Connally. 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