{"conversationCode":"018-021","tapeNumber":18,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-018-021","startDateTime":"1972-01-09T18:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-09T18:28:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Jan-1972","startTime":"1:25 PM","endDate":"9-Jan-1972","endTime":"1:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On January 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone from 1:25 pm to 1:28 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 018-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 18-21\n\nDate: January 9, 1972\nTime: 1:25 pm - 1:28 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nThe President talked with Rose Mary Woods.\n\n[See Conversation No. 312-9]\n\n     Letter to Maj. Gen. Leslie E. Brown's mother [Nora L. Moore]\n           -Phone call\n                -White House operators\n                -Address\n                -The President's location\n                      -Executive Office Building [EOB]\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/21/2017.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[018-021-w001]\n[Duration: 1m 23s]\n\n     Julie Nixon Eisenhower and [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II\n\n     Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n\n     Tricia Nixon Cox and Edward F. Cox\n           -Presence\n\n     Thelma C. (“Pat”) (Ryan) Nixon\n          -Clothing\n          -Weather\n\n     Time changes\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["018-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:59:04","tapeEnd":"01:01:15","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"018-020","nextCode":"018-022","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.23,"text":"Hi, Rose."},{"start":3.25,"end":3.31,"text":"Hi."},{"start":3.85,"end":4.7,"text":"How are you today?"},{"start":4.86,"end":10.6,"text":"I just had an idea that I think would be better than the letter to that general's mother."},{"start":10.62,"end":12.7,"text":"If you have his name..."},{"start":12.72,"end":13.48,"text":"Yes, I have."},{"start":14.14,"end":19.55,"text":"Would you just call the White House operator and ask her to get her on the phone for me?"},{"start":19.57,"end":19.77,"text":"All right."},{"start":19.83,"end":21.99,"text":"She probably can call the general."},{"start":23.41,"end":25.33,"text":"She's probably there for her birthday or something."},{"start":25.35,"end":29.08,"text":"Probably, although the address they gave me for her was in Los Angeles."},{"start":29.87,"end":31.25,"text":"Rather than Redlands, I see."},{"start":31.27,"end":32.27,"text":"Okay."},{"start":32.29,"end":41.82,"text":"Well, I think the White House operators, they don't know how to get her, you know, get a hold of the general and say the president wants to talk to his mother on the phone and then tell her to put it through."},{"start":41.84,"end":43.32,"text":"I'm in the EOB office."},{"start":43.34,"end":44.32,"text":"EOB office."},{"start":44.34,"end":44.56,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":44.74,"end":44.91,"text":"Sam?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consults with Rose Mary Woods to pivot from sending a letter to Maj. Gen. Leslie E. Brown’s mother, Nora L. Moore, to instead initiating a direct telephone call. The President, operating from the Executive Office Building, instructs Woods to enlist White House operators to locate the mother, potentially in Los Angeles, to facilitate a personal conversation. This action reflects a preference for direct presidential outreach over written correspondence.","topics":["Nora L. Moore","Leslie E. Brown","Presidential communication","White House operations","Executive Office Building"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T00:59:02.138Z"},"topicSlugs":["nora-l-moore","leslie-e-brown","presidential-communication","white-house-operations","executive-office-building"],"audioDurationSec":130,"audioFiles":[{"file":"018-021.mp3","bytes":3131558,"durationSec":130.41,"bitrate":192104,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.937Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/018-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/018-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/18/conversation-018-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}