{"conversationCode":"018-045","tapeNumber":18,"conversationNumber":45,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-018-045","startDateTime":"1972-01-10T21:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-10T21:08:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Jan-1972","startTime":"4:06 PM","endDate":"10-Jan-1972","endTime":"4:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President);","description":"On January 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew talked on the telephone from 4:06 pm to 4:08 pm. 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(“Pat”) Nixon\n         -Mrs. Nixon's return from trip to Africa\n\n     Secret documents\n          -Leak problem\n          -Possible meeting with the President\n          -Possible solution\n                -Court decisions\n          -Legislative strategy\n\n     Meeting with the President\n          -State of the Union speech","filename":["018-045.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:32:01","tapeEnd":"01:34:17","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President)"],"prevCode":"018-044","nextCode":"018-046","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.24,"text":"The Vice President, Mr. President."},{"start":4.3,"end":4.78,"text":"Hello."},{"start":4.98,"end":5.72,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":5.76,"end":13.59,"text":"I just wanted to call you to tell you that I opened the present, and I'm delighted to have that razor, and I will now not blame the TV when I have the 5 o'clock shadow."},{"start":13.71,"end":17.44,"text":"Well, it's a razor that I was just astounded with."},{"start":17.86,"end":19.84,"text":"I received it as a Christmas present."},{"start":19.86,"end":22.11,"text":"I never use an electric razor except..."},{"start":22.15,"end":22.61,"text":"I don't either."},{"start":22.63,"end":24.79,"text":"I only use it to sort of shape up."},{"start":24.81,"end":29.6,"text":"But I'll tell you honestly, Mr. President, this thing shaves as well as any blade razor I've ever seen."},{"start":29.86,"end":30.3,"text":"Does it really?"},{"start":30.34,"end":30.74,"text":"Try."},{"start":30.8,"end":33.04,"text":"I think you'll find it's outstanding."},{"start":33.12,"end":34,"text":"I really..."},{"start":33.98,"end":35.74,"text":"At least for a touch-up."},{"start":35.91,"end":36.47,"text":"It's fine."},{"start":36.51,"end":42.59,"text":"And incidentally, we thought you'd just handle that very, very gracefully last night, and I'm very grateful."},{"start":42.61,"end":46.14,"text":"I was glad to have a chance to welcome Mrs. Nixon."},{"start":46.16,"end":46.42,"text":"That's right."},{"start":46.44,"end":54.59,"text":"What I called you about, sir, before was, you remember my talking to you about my concern about the whole problem of secret documents?"},{"start":54.61,"end":54.95,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":55.03,"end":55.69,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":55.71,"end":60.6,"text":"I'd like very much to, if I could have a few minutes with you, maybe..."},{"start":61.15,"end":69.93,"text":"Friday or Thursday or Friday or some time to go over a couple of ideas I have with you on that."},{"start":69.95,"end":71.11,"text":"Yeah, okay."},{"start":71.13,"end":76.72,"text":"By that time we'll have a chance to sort of see it in perspective too, perhaps."},{"start":77.16,"end":79.82,"text":"This is not specifically about the one incident."},{"start":79.84,"end":82.17,"text":"This is an idea I have about"},{"start":82.5,"end":91,"text":"a potential way of correcting this whole problem of recurrences in this area."},{"start":91.02,"end":97.33,"text":"It basically goes to the situation that the courts have said that they"},{"start":97.92,"end":103.75,"text":"qualified themselves to judge what may be harmful to the national security."},{"start":103.92,"end":104.48,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":104.68,"end":116.24,"text":"And I'm thinking specifically about a tactic involving some possible bipartisan legislation that might close this off in the future, and I'd just like to talk to you briefly about that."},{"start":116.26,"end":116.72,"text":"Fine."},{"start":116.74,"end":116.84,"text":"Fine."},{"start":116.86,"end":116.96,"text":"Okay."},{"start":117.38,"end":119.93,"text":"If you'd let me know of any time."},{"start":119.95,"end":121.59,"text":"It'll only take about 15 minutes."},{"start":121.77,"end":121.93,"text":"Fine."},{"start":122.17,"end":123.72,"text":"I think Thursday would be fine."},{"start":123.76,"end":132.52,"text":"I have to be writing on the State of the Union on Friday, so I'll have them get in touch with your office and work it out."},{"start":132.8,"end":134.12,"text":"Thank you very much."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Vice President Agnew briefly exchanged pleasantries regarding a gift before turning to the pressing issue of unauthorized leaks of secret government documents. Agnew proposed a meeting with the President to discuss a potential legislative strategy intended to counter recent court rulings that restricted the executive branch's ability to define national security risks. The two agreed to coordinate a meeting for Thursday, allowing the President to balance the discussion with his upcoming work on the State of the Union address.","topics":["National security","Leaks","Legislation","Executive power","State of the Union"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T01:01:16.035Z"},"topicSlugs":["national-security","leaks","legislation","executive-power","state-of-the-union"],"audioDurationSec":136,"audioFiles":[{"file":"018-045.mp3","bytes":3265723,"durationSec":136.01,"bitrate":192085,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.937Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/018-045.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/018-045","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/18/conversation-018-045","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}