{"conversationCode":"018-078","tapeNumber":18,"conversationNumber":78,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-018-078","startDateTime":"1972-01-13T19:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-13T19:45:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:45 PM","endDate":"13-Jan-1972","endTime":"2:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Hughes, James D. (\"Don\");","description":"On January 13, 1972, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman and James D. (\"Don\") Hughes talked on the telephone at 2:45 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 018-078 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 18-78\n\nDate: January 13, 1972\nTime: 2:45 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nH. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with Maj. Gen. James D. Hughes.\n\n[See Conversation No. 314-1B]\n\n     Helicopters for trip to Camp David\n          -Problems with weather\n                -Thurmont, Maryland","filename":["018-078.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:47:23","tapeEnd":"03:48:09","participantsList":["Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Hughes, James D. (\"Don\")"],"prevCode":"018-077","nextCode":"018-079","transcript":[{"start":0.77,"end":27.27,"text":"hello mr president is bob alderman oh um general he is okay hello don bob alderman uh we've got the problem of choppers and getting to camp david right uh and understand there's no way to get up there between now and tomorrow morning 11 o'clock right before all right uh how close can we chopper out of here uh yeah there's a problem here at the camp it's up at the camp okay"},{"start":27.45,"end":30.16,"text":"Then how close can we get to Camp David?"},{"start":30.18,"end":32.2,"text":"Can we get to Thurmont or something like that?"},{"start":32.22,"end":33.49,"text":"I'll have to check, Bob."},{"start":33.71,"end":36.39,"text":"I'm not in my office and I didn't check that point."},{"start":36.57,"end":41.28,"text":"Well, he does need to go and he's very anxious to avoid driving all the way if possible."},{"start":41.41,"end":42.15,"text":"Give me five minutes."},{"start":42.49,"end":42.67,"text":"Right."},{"start":42.73,"end":43.69,"text":"Call me back on this line."},{"start":43.71,"end":43.85,"text":"Right."},{"start":44.19,"end":44.65,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"H. R. Haldeman and Major General James D. Hughes discussed the logistical difficulties of transporting President Nixon to Camp David via helicopter due to poor weather conditions. Haldeman emphasized the President's preference to avoid a long drive and requested an evaluation of alternative landing sites, such as Thurmont. Hughes committed to investigating the viability of nearby landing locations and reporting back to Haldeman shortly.","topics":["Camp David","Presidential transportation","logistics","weather","H. R. Haldeman","James D. Hughes"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T01:04:19.664Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","presidential-transportation","logistics","weather","h-r-haldeman","james-d-hughes"],"audioDurationSec":46,"audioFiles":[{"file":"018-078.mp3","bytes":1114696,"durationSec":46.39,"bitrate":192225,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:24.937Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/018-078.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/018-078","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/18/conversation-018-078","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}