{"conversationCode":"019-069","tapeNumber":19,"conversationNumber":69,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-019-069","startDateTime":"1972-01-26T01:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-26T03:03:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Jan-1972","startTime":"8:55 PM","endDate":"25-Jan-1972","endTime":"10:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Marshall, Michael M.; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On January 25, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, Michael M. Marshall, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:55 pm and 10:03 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 019-069 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"WHT","recordingDevice":"White House Telephone","latitudeEstimated":38.89767,"longitudeEstimated":-77.03655,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 19-69\n\nDate: January 25, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 8:55 pm and 10:03 pm\nLocation: White House Telephone\n\nHenry A. Kissinger talked with the White House operator; the President can be heard in the\nbackground.\n\n     Request for a call to his office\n\nKissinger talked with Mildred M. Marshall.\n\n     Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s location\n\n     Telephone calls\n\n            -Martin Schram, H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n     Haig\n\nKissinger talked with Haig.\n\n     The President's previous speech on Vietnam\n          -Reaction\n               -George H.W. Bush's call to Haig\n                      -United Nations [UN]\n          -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin's call to Kissinger\n          -Press\n               -John A. Scali's view\n               -Networks\n                      -Leslie H. Gelb on Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]\n\n     Cables\n          -Winston Lord","filename":["019-069.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","White House operator","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Marshall, Michael M.","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"019-068","nextCode":"019-070","transcript":[{"start":3.47,"end":22.48,"text":"Well, if those 40% are your 40%, it's Mr. Kissinger getting in my office."},{"start":22.5,"end":22.78,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":22.8,"end":23.18,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":24,"end":25.11,"text":"Who is it?"},{"start":25.12,"end":25.57,"text":"This is Mr. Kissinger."},{"start":26.15,"end":27.2,"text":"Is Haig there?"},{"start":27.21,"end":28,"text":"Are there any calls?"},{"start":28.24,"end":29.76,"text":"That's my question."},{"start":29.78,"end":34.69,"text":"Yes, Marty Schramm called and Bob Haldeman is trying to call."},{"start":34.71,"end":35.03,"text":"I got that."},{"start":35.05,"end":35.51,"text":"Anything else?"},{"start":36.7,"end":37.56,"text":"Let me talk to Haig."},{"start":43.11,"end":43.47,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":66.25,"end":67.45,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":68.41,"end":68.63,"text":"Al?"},{"start":68.65,"end":69.13,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":69.15,"end":89.3,"text":"I just wanted to check up with the president, how the reactions are going."},{"start":89.32,"end":89.68,"text":"I think very good."},{"start":89.7,"end":90.9,"text":"Everyone is extremely enthusiastic about the way it's going."},{"start":90.92,"end":91.78,"text":"George Bush called me down on the airplane."},{"start":91.81,"end":93.11,"text":"He said it was just an absolute mess."},{"start":93.13,"end":93.39,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":94.61,"end":101.7,"text":"I haven't talked to anybody here yet."},{"start":101.72,"end":102.61,"text":"Well, Dobrynin was calling."},{"start":102.63,"end":103.65,"text":"He just wouldn't stop crying."},{"start":104.83,"end":105.03,"text":"Really?"},{"start":105.05,"end":106.45,"text":"Yeah, he said, why did you do it now?"},{"start":106.49,"end":110.28,"text":"I sent an urgent cable to Hanoi after our conversation on Friday."},{"start":110.82,"end":122.13,"text":"I said, well, you've sent urgent cables before."},{"start":122.15,"end":122.27,"text":"Right."},{"start":122.29,"end":123.58,"text":"As John Scallery says, he's got about a 92% origin of the crash."},{"start":124.11,"end":151.94,"text":"Good."},{"start":151.96,"end":152.8,"text":"Well, I'm not going to be that much ahead."},{"start":153.05,"end":153.67,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":158.68,"end":159.76,"text":"Well, but he's an enemy."},{"start":166.29,"end":169.6,"text":"Well, I'll be over in about 15 minutes."},{"start":170.02,"end":172.26,"text":"Get Winston to do those two cables, will you?"},{"start":172.68,"end":175.28,"text":"Okay, good."},{"start":175.31,"end":175.69,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry Kissinger coordinated with Alexander Haig to gauge the domestic and international reactions to President Nixon’s recent speech on Vietnam. The pair discussed positive feedback from various officials, including George H.W. Bush, and noted Soviet Ambassador Anatoliy Dobrynin's distress over the administration's actions. Kissinger concluded the call by instructing Haig to have Winston Lord draft two urgent cables regarding the situation.","topics":["Vietnam War","Foreign Policy","Public Relations","Anatoliy Dobrynin","Diplomatic Cables","George H.W. 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