{"conversationCode":"019-084","tapeNumber":19,"conversationNumber":84,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-019-084","startDateTime":"1972-01-26T03:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-26T03:17:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Jan-1972","startTime":"10:10 PM","endDate":"25-Jan-1972","endTime":"10:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; Mitchell, John N.;","description":"On January 25, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger and John N. Mitchell talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:10 pm and 10:17 pm. 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Dominick\n               -”Doves”\n                      -Negotiations\n                      -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n                      -Withdrawal date\n               -Public\n               -Views of John A. Scali and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n               -State and Defense Departments\n                      -Haldeman\n          -Kissinger's meeting with Haldeman and White House staff\n          -Possible effect","filename":["019-084.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","Mitchell, John N."],"prevCode":"019-083","nextCode":"019-085","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":1.07,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":1.09,"end":2.11,"text":"Henry?"},{"start":2.13,"end":2.53,"text":"John."},{"start":3.52,"end":4,"text":"How are you, sir?"},{"start":4.06,"end":6.78,"text":"I'm here with the president and we wanted to get your judgment on how it went."},{"start":23.56,"end":24.2,"text":"I think it went very, very well."},{"start":24.22,"end":25.1,"text":"I don't think there's any question about it."},{"start":25.12,"end":27.33,"text":"And I've been listening to these people fumble, fumble, fumble, like Fulbright is doing on the television now."},{"start":27.35,"end":27.79,"text":"They can't talk to it."},{"start":27.81,"end":29.71,"text":"They're just taking so far back that they're going back to the same old rhetoric of themselves."},{"start":29.73,"end":29.87,"text":"Really?"},{"start":30.3,"end":44.15,"text":"Is Fulbright trying to piss on it?"},{"start":44.17,"end":46.02,"text":"Good."},{"start":46.3,"end":72.31,"text":"Well, I think that's really good news."},{"start":72.33,"end":75.74,"text":"We get the same reports from all over the place."},{"start":75.76,"end":76.16,"text":"I would believe it."},{"start":76.34,"end":80.93,"text":"and Alderman say the reaction is 92% positive."},{"start":81.09,"end":87.94,"text":"You can't do much better than that."},{"start":88,"end":94.41,"text":"Not yet, but I think if it keeps going like this, we'll just swamp it."},{"start":97.47,"end":101.4,"text":"Well, they can't piss on something that's building that much momentum."},{"start":101.86,"end":114.17,"text":"Well, that was a very good piece of advice of yours."},{"start":114.21,"end":115.61,"text":"We got them all into the room."},{"start":115.75,"end":116.91,"text":"We got all the men in it."},{"start":117.85,"end":120.49,"text":"And I just said, we've all got to work together on this."},{"start":120.51,"end":122.5,"text":"This is the line I'm going to follow."},{"start":122.52,"end":123.5,"text":"Do you have any regrets?"},{"start":124.7,"end":126.42,"text":"And what line are you going to follow?"},{"start":126.44,"end":128.3,"text":"And let's all work together on this."},{"start":129.46,"end":136.69,"text":"So, no, no, it was a brilliant idea because, you know, without it, they would have done anything."},{"start":139.48,"end":151.17,"text":"If they do it now, they have no excuse that there wasn't a meeting, that they couldn't express their views, and that they weren't told."},{"start":151.19,"end":154.82,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":155.32,"end":155.72,"text":"We hope so."},{"start":155.74,"end":157.88,"text":"Good, John."},{"start":158.69,"end":179.82,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":179.84,"end":181.83,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry Kissinger and John Mitchell discuss the positive public and political reception of President Nixon’s recent speech on Vietnam. Mitchell reports that anti-war critics like J. William Fulbright have failed to offer substantive rebuttals, while internal polling indicates overwhelming public approval. Kissinger credits a recent strategic meeting with White House staff and department heads for successfully aligning the administration’s messaging and suppressing dissent.","topics":["Vietnam War","Public opinion","J. 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