{"conversationCode":"019-138","tapeNumber":19,"conversationNumber":138,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-019-138","startDateTime":"1972-01-27T19:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-27T19:24:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:23 PM","endDate":"27-Jan-1972","endTime":"2:24 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Wilson, Jerry V.;","description":"On January 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Jerry V. Wilson talked on the telephone from 2:23 pm to 2:24 pm. 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(President)","Wilson, Jerry V."],"prevCode":"019-137","nextCode":"019-139","transcript":[{"start":0.13,"end":2.4,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.42,"end":4.26,"text":"Chief Jerry Wilson on the line, Mr. President."},{"start":4.28,"end":4.98,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5,"end":6.21,"text":"Good afternoon, Mr. President."},{"start":6.29,"end":12.78,"text":"Well, I wanted to congratulate you on that 13% crime drop in the district, which I mentioned in the State of the Union."},{"start":13.48,"end":14.44,"text":"Well, Mr. President, I thank you."},{"start":14.46,"end":16.87,"text":"And you pass the word to all the people on the force."},{"start":16.89,"end":18.73,"text":"I certainly will, and I'm sure your letters to the"},{"start":18.71,"end":20.36,"text":"The inspectors have a great deal to do."},{"start":20.48,"end":25.21,"text":"I know that they will have seen it, that it was not mentioned, but, you know, just let them know I know who did it."},{"start":25.43,"end":28.03,"text":"I certainly will, and we do appreciate it."},{"start":28.39,"end":33.69,"text":"I had a good visit, incidentally, with one of your former colleagues, Rizzo, yesterday, two or three days ago."},{"start":33.71,"end":34.23,"text":"Oh, yes, I saw that."},{"start":34.33,"end":36.05,"text":"He's a fine man, a fine man."},{"start":36.07,"end":37.29,"text":"He does a good job."},{"start":37.27,"end":41.07,"text":"Also, I want to wish your wife, I understand she's in the hospital for an operation."},{"start":41.33,"end":42.37,"text":"Yes, she is."},{"start":42.53,"end":43.87,"text":"It's going okay, I see."},{"start":43.89,"end":45.58,"text":"Oh, yes, she's feeling pretty miserable."},{"start":45.92,"end":46.88,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":46.92,"end":52.84,"text":"Well, you tell her I asked about her and for her to take care and not give you any worries."},{"start":52.86,"end":53.66,"text":"I certainly will."},{"start":53.69,"end":54.01,"text":"Okay."},{"start":54.15,"end":54.69,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":54.71,"end":54.79,"text":"Bye."},{"start":54.81,"end":56.41,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiated this call with D.C. Police Chief Jerry V. Wilson to commend him on a 13% reduction in the District’s crime rate, a milestone the President highlighted in his recent State of the Union address. Nixon requested that Wilson convey his personal appreciation to the police inspectors for their contributions to this success. The brief discussion also touched upon Nixon's recent meeting with Frank Rizzo and concluded with the President extending well-wishes for the health of Wilson’s wife.","topics":["District of Columbia crime rate","State of the Union","Police relations","Frank L. 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